it should be measured from the feet
It feels like VAR and refereeing in Europe are better than in some top leagues, the amount of shitty mistakes even using that same fucking technology in La Liga & EPL is unbelievable.
They don’t use the same technology. This screenshot is from the semi-automated VAR system used by the Champions League. Not sure about La Liga, but the Premier League don’t use the semi-automated system, it’s completely manual.
Bullshit. All of it. That’s a fraction of a second difference right there and probably less than an inch… what about the right moment when the kicker passed the ball? Could have been a fraction of a second before or after and it would change everything too… I mean, I get the positive aspect of the VAR and all but man… calling an offside that close is just BS.
The call is obviously a correct one. My personal belief is that the laws of the game in conjunction with the technology we have should change to allow these plays to stand and count as goal. It’s frustrating to see such offsides like this stand when the reality is the attacker isn’t gaining an actual advantage with the 3 inches of space
My argument is that offsides should be determined by one’s center of gravity and not extremities.
What happens if a player was leaning back with their foot stretched forward to control the ball?
Would still go down to the center of gravity. If we’re standing next to each other, shoulder to shoulder, and I reach with my leg to make a play on the ball, I’m not creating an unfair advantage on the defender. Defender has the ability to reach with their leg and intercept as well.
Fair
FWIW I’m in agreement - for me something needs to change as I don’t think the above should be offside, no matter how technically offside it is. As you say it’s about creating an unfair advantage, which there isn’t in the above for me (and I realise the then issue of subjectivity, but then that’s where centre of gravity would be interesting).
So you would need VAR for pretty much every offside call? There is no way a ref can call precise center of gravity on their own. How would you enforce that rule in lower leagues or even amateur play?
I’d argue calling center of gravity is easier than you think. If my center of gravity (hip/groin area) is past yours, the rest of the body follows and it’s an easy call.
As the laws of the game stand it is offside, however I do feel like it should be measured from the feet. I know you can score with your head, but there is always going to be a certain amount of lean while sprinting. Arms/shoulders shouldn’t come into play because a defender on the half turn is going to have their arm out for balance as they’re turning (shown in the photo). I’d prefer feet as the point of measure, but from the current rules it is offside. Fine margins at such high speed though.
it should be measured from the feet
This. They should look at feet only, that seems like the most fair. And to add to that I’d say one foot of the attacker would have to be behind a defender’s foot in its entirety for it to be offside, not just a toe.
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Offsides should be judged by foot position only, change my mind.
i love the tech. but i think there should be about 3-5cm buffer… there’s no big advantage here.
And if they add a 5cm buffer you’ll just complain when someone’s called offside for being off 6cm. You’re not fixing the problem, you’re moving it.
The defender’s arm is further than any part of Vinicus body. Is it because you cannot legally play the ball with your arm so it’s excluded?
how do they decide the exact moment the ball is kicked forward?, all very well having the nice picture above, but to me there’s a second unknown which may have inaccuracies
I’m confused, are people thinking this should have been onsides?
As an aside , this rule is stupid. It should be feet not torso. An offensive player leaning forward in anticipation of a pass should never have been grounds for offsides. The rule is absurd as it is currently interpreted.