So this dude is basically a 46 year old man child and I don’t wanna armchair diagnose people, but he’s probably on the spectrum.

He’ll say a pun or a “funny” phrase, stare at you till you acknowledge it, then when you do, he’ll just keep saying it over and over. Even if you don’t acknowledge it he’ll say it a bunch then switch to a new one.

He’s obsessed with making fart noises then pretending it’s someone else he’ll even do it while we’re eating lunch. I’ve tried the politely asking him to stop he just says “oh you know I’m just joking” then when I tell him its genuinely annoying he goes full kicked puppy and acts super sad for a few hours and gets all woe is me saying stuff like “oh well I guess everyone hates me I’ll just shut up forever”. Sometimes he even goes full non verbal and literally just tries to communicate by pointing and or writing notes.

It’s not like he’s an asshole he a genuinely good guy he’s good at his job and he’s got your back when you need it.

I guess I just have a hard time finding the balance between not being an ass to a guy with zero social skills and losing my sanity because he can’t be quiet for 5 minutes.

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    If you genuinely mean what you said at the end: he’s a good guy, he’s good at his job, and he’s got your back.

    Then just practice Zen, don’t let him get to you, you only interact with this person socially at work, you could skip the lunches, you could just ignore the things he’s doing. But where it counts he’s got your back.

    Developing the perspective, and the life skills, to just let temporary inconvenience slide off of you or even not matter to you, is a great life skill that has lots of benefits.

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      11 months ago

      That’s been working for the past two years but I feel like I’m reaching the end of my patience.

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        Your options

        A. Talk to him directly, frankly, like you would to somebody on the spectrum. See if they can modify their behavior

        B. Talk to HR, who will try to scare him, and may eventually fire him

        C. Change departments or find a new job, then you don’t have to deal with him.

        You said they’re a midlife adult, it’s going to be hard for them to modify their personality. If you’re okay with them getting fired then go with option a than b. If you’re not okay with them getting fired go with option a then c.

        Best of luck!

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      11 months ago

      I was half expecting this to be a shit post about the office dog or something like that.

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        I would suggest documenting his behaviour for a day or two and taking it up with your supervisor to have a meeting for the three of you where you lay out the issue.

        If his work is acceptable and it is only his behaviour stress that in the meeting.

        How well he will take the criticism is another matter.

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          I can’t emphasize how much this is the answer. Document your annoyances, document other peoples complaints, document the times you have tried discussing it it with him, and document how he responded. Document the fuck out of everything, because if you are his supervisor, this is going to blow up in your face no matter what you do and you need to be building yourself a blast shield asap. This guy is obviously very manipulative and portrays himself as the victim. When the shit finally hits the fan, he is going to sling it everywhere, and as your direct report, it’s going to pile in your lap.
          When you take it up the chain, you don’t even have to take it up as a complaint. Ask for help and guidance in a situation that you fear is going to go bad. You have a guy who is a really good worker, but you fear his antics are going to run off other employees, or even worse, result in HR complaints.

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            11 months ago

            True true, I’m going to start with a meeting with me him and the supervisor. I don’t think he is maliciously manipulative if that makes any sense. He just genuinely gets sad when when someone doesn’t find him funny or he annoyed someone and I don’t think he ever learned to how to properly handle being sad.

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    In a comment you mentioned you’re the team lead. Maybe you already are, but just in case: stop thinking about it in terms of the individual personal relationship and start thinking about it in terms of the team dynamic. It’s unlikely this only affects you, so even if their individual work performance is fine, does their behavior affect other people’s performance or happiness at work? If it’s affecting others negatively it’s your responsibility to protect them and their work output, even if that means finding a new team for this person or documenting a path to letting them go altogether.

    I don’t envy you. Good luck.

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    This is very relatable to me. A supervisor in my team has Asperger’s. She has zero social skills. Says very unprofessional things, interrupts conversations and completely changes the topic to something nobody cares about. She is a hoarder and has way too many dogs/cats, her hygiene isn’t the best.

    Most of us have worked together for 5+ years and have learned to ignore it as much as possible. It’s clear that she’s not doing this on purpose and doesn’t realize how annoying/rude she can be. I don’t really have a solution for you. This is just something you learn to live with. It’s still very annoying and frustrating to deal with but I don’t think there’s any solution that wouldn’t negatively impact her.

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    11 months ago

    (Disclaimer: armchair expert here, admittedly with some personal experience)

    Poor guy. Rejection sensitivity is a thing, and it sounds like this guy’s got it bad. Some people essentially walk around with the emotional equivalent of a bad sunburn - even a casual touch can be pretty nasty.

    If he’s as socially awkward as this suggests, the whole “setting boundaries” thing is likely hard for him to deal with, and his reaction suggests that he’s never learned to handle feedback very well. I’m assuming there’s no hint of malice, just childishness and being oblivious of social norms. 46 years’ worth of subtle or overt feedback along the lines of “you’re not pulling this social thing off” can make people do some weird and counterproductive things in order to try to fit in. It can also sensitize them extremely to criticism no matter how accurate, necessary and well-intentioned.

    If you can make sure he knows you’re on his side, and are very careful to not make things sound like an attack, you have a reasonable chance of getting through. He is distinct from his fart jokes, and people don’t dislike him but specific bits of inappropriate behavior. Since any hint of rejection tilts him, help him be secure in the ways he’s valued. If he’s got the classic “bad with subtext” thing then you need to be prepared to spell things out, while keeping it inoffensive. As a hunch, I’d stay well away from anything that sounds like a judgment either on your part or anyone else’s - stick to the facts. This is what happens when people get distracted, humor is important in the workplace but there’s a time and place, etc.

    That being said, you don’t need to coddle him too much (particularly if he’s either guilty about needing it, or suspects it’s not genuine) but it’s ideal if it works - he’s happier and stops setting himself up for “rejection”, everyone else is happy due to less friction in general, you’re happy, your boss is happy.

    If that doesn’t work, it might be time for brass tacks: “this specifically doesn’t work, it doesn’t mean people hate you, but it does need to stop.” In the extreme, he could dig in and then you might want to call backup from e.g. your superior or someone less hands-on.

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    You have to give him some sort of status or reputation that contradicts the annoying behavior.

    If you tell this man ‘you remind me so much of the Doctor from Doctor Who’, get him to watch Doctor Who, he will start to take on aspects of the character. You can do this with most popular media that people on the spectrum like.

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    Maybe some blunt feedback, “I don’t think that’s funny, I don’t like that, I don’t think that’s appropriate for adults at work.”

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    I’d just be straight with him, in a kind manner tell him his behavior is something you’re having a hard time with, that you expect him to take your feedback on board, and that you’re not interested in dealing with him acting out because his feelings got hurt.

    Document everything, give him a chance to modify his behavior and if he persists, you’ve given him a chance and now it’s time to talk to HR because you’ve done everything you can reasonably be expected to do. It’s not your fight anymore.

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    11 months ago

    Have you tried… you know… talking to him about it?

    I mean a cool headed calm discussion avoid not making farther noises.

    I guess it depends on the culture of your work place but honestly I feel like this is something that can be easily resolved and it’s part of managing a team.

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      So the issue is it’s like a loop you be nice and ignore him he thinks he’s cool.

      You be mean and tell him he’s annoying he paints you as the asshole.

      You be nice and tell him he’s annoying he throws a pity party and makes you feel guilty for saying anything.

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        11 months ago

        Sorry mate. IMO this is really bread and butter for a team leader.

        You’re not children. You don’t need to be “nice” or “mean”.

        • hey guy
        • I’m really enjoying working with you. You seem to be amazing at x. I’m really hoping I can learn about y from you.
        • If I’m really honest though, I just can’t concentrate with the fart noises. I know it’s just a joke and maybe others are ok with it but it really disrupts my flow, every time.
        • Anyhow, how have you been going with z.