Early elections this past week seem promising. I don’t think Trump is particularly gaining votes. He’s saturated the electorate and swept up all the gullible buffoons, bigoted, and easily-grifted.
I think generally most people are sick of him. The key is whether the progressive-left remains energized which influences and inspires the rest of the base to turn out. As long as abortion remains a hot-topic, we should be fine.
Can’t forget how 91 criminal charges across 4 grand jury indictments will look as those trials begin and wrap up.
It’s not a matter of worse, on paper or otherwise. Decades of negative news about her; so, public sentiment was completely tainted and perceived her that way. She was and is completely up on things having to do with this country and worldly things. Trump should have been disqualified, not officially, but given the demonstration to the opposite. I think you mentioned it in your original comment, people don’t pay attention. They even seem to get angry when I fill them in, too. We’re totally fucked.
Besides, when you offer to lower taxes or claim a good economy, no amount of cruelty is off the table (e.g. kids in cages).
She lost for a reason. Regardless of agreement with her policies or her less evil status she was politically unviable. Trump had the “outsider” angle that meant people could project their own views on him. Hillary had baggage. And wasn’t even very progressive
“She lost for a reason” does not mean she would have been a worse president than Trump. Do you also think Gore would have been a worse president than Bush or a second Carter term would have been worse than Reagan’s first term?
Honestly there would be very little difference in the state of the world today had Hillary won. The protests in occupied Palestine may have not kicked off so hard if Hillary won and didn’t move the embassy. We definitely wouldn’t have free healthcare or bullet trains or even student debt relief had she won. It would be like right now with bidensupporting continuing to support genocidal regimes around the worldi in order to maintain western hegemony.
See what I said below. Or just answer this one last question I asked below: Do you think she would have appointed far-right Supreme Court justices that would end Roe v. Wade and done other massive damage since the three Trump appointed were confirmed?
far right no, centrist right leaning? absolutely. democrats campaigned for republicans in texas and Minnesota because they were progressive left, not toe the line corporate democrats. why didn’t obama codify roe as law when he had the change for years? because it’s a cash cow. “vote for us to save abortion rights!” now roe is overturned, “vote for us to fight for ablution rights!” they could havw solved that issue.
So better than Trump? Wouldn’t have overturned Roe? Sounds like a better choice then. Or do you think abortion rights aren’t incredibly important?
Also, when did Obama have the majority of pro-choice votes in congress to codify it? In the six months when they had a majority? Joe Donnelly was in the senate, which was in a razor thing margin, and he was pro-life. As were a couple of other Democrats at the time. The idea that he could have codified Roe is nonsense.
What good do you think codifying roe as law would have done? Republicans would have repealed it in 2017 when they got the White House and Congress back.
Abortions rights were only protected as a matter of the Constitution, which meant not having a heavy conservative Supreme Court.
What good do you think codifying roe as law would have done? Republicans would have repealed it in 2017 when they got the White House and Congress back.
We’re now seeing what happens when Republicans do that. Maybe Biden would have a bigger majority in his first two years. Maybe he’d still have a majority in the house now.
But we always have to legislate based on what Republicans might do.
equally bad. one lies to your face and deceives, one is too stupid to even bother.
neither option was a good option. one changed their minds when it was beneficial for votes, the other knew that the dnc would fuck it up and didn’t bother changing anything.
also, biden is shit, and obama was too. sorry, they all are war mongering fascists that take money from corporations to do their bidding, and don’t genuinely give a shit about people. no one bothers to see beyond the favorable cnn headlines and the whitewashing of history because the situation now is so bad.
That’s ridiculous. You think Hillary would have tried to nuke a hurricane? Do you think she would have suggested using bleach to cure COVID? Do you think she would have had record job losses and record debt increases? Do you think she would have implemented massive tax cuts for the rich? Do you think she would have called Nazis marching in Charlottesville ‘very fine people?’ Do you think she would have lied about losing an election and instigated a riot? Do you think she would tell a secretary of state to just find votes for her? Do you think she would try to make a deal with Ukraine in exchange for dirt on Hunter Biden?
Most importantly: Do you think she would have appointed far-right Supreme Court justices that would end Roe v. Wade and done other massive damage since the three Trump appointed were confirmed?
Hillary was overwhelmingly a better option than Trump and that was even apparent when he was running and telling people exactly what he was going to do.
Early elections this past week seem promising. I don’t think Trump is particularly gaining votes. He’s saturated the electorate and swept up all the gullible buffoons, bigoted, and easily-grifted.
I think generally most people are sick of him. The key is whether the progressive-left remains energized which influences and inspires the rest of the base to turn out. As long as abortion remains a hot-topic, we should be fine.
Can’t forget how 91 criminal charges across 4 grand jury indictments will look as those trials begin and wrap up.
I didn’t think Trump would be elected in 2016. Look what happened.
I absolutely did - he was running against Hillary fucking Clinton
Are you actually saying Hillary was worse than Trump?
It’s not a matter of worse, on paper or otherwise. Decades of negative news about her; so, public sentiment was completely tainted and perceived her that way. She was and is completely up on things having to do with this country and worldly things. Trump should have been disqualified, not officially, but given the demonstration to the opposite. I think you mentioned it in your original comment, people don’t pay attention. They even seem to get angry when I fill them in, too. We’re totally fucked.
Besides, when you offer to lower taxes or claim a good economy, no amount of cruelty is off the table (e.g. kids in cages).
She lost for a reason. Regardless of agreement with her policies or her less evil status she was politically unviable. Trump had the “outsider” angle that meant people could project their own views on him. Hillary had baggage. And wasn’t even very progressive
“She lost for a reason” does not mean she would have been a worse president than Trump. Do you also think Gore would have been a worse president than Bush or a second Carter term would have been worse than Reagan’s first term?
I don’t think op was saying that she would have been a worse president, but rather a worse candidate, as in she was uncompetitive.
Honestly there would be very little difference in the state of the world today had Hillary won. The protests in occupied Palestine may have not kicked off so hard if Hillary won and didn’t move the embassy. We definitely wouldn’t have free healthcare or bullet trains or even student debt relief had she won. It would be like right now with bidensupporting continuing to support genocidal regimes around the worldi in order to maintain western hegemony.
The lesser of two evils is still evil
She was a worse candidate.
theres nothing good about a corporate Democrat, or any republican.
See what I said below. Or just answer this one last question I asked below: Do you think she would have appointed far-right Supreme Court justices that would end Roe v. Wade and done other massive damage since the three Trump appointed were confirmed?
far right no, centrist right leaning? absolutely. democrats campaigned for republicans in texas and Minnesota because they were progressive left, not toe the line corporate democrats. why didn’t obama codify roe as law when he had the change for years? because it’s a cash cow. “vote for us to save abortion rights!” now roe is overturned, “vote for us to fight for ablution rights!” they could havw solved that issue.
So better than Trump? Wouldn’t have overturned Roe? Sounds like a better choice then. Or do you think abortion rights aren’t incredibly important?
Also, when did Obama have the majority of pro-choice votes in congress to codify it? In the six months when they had a majority? Joe Donnelly was in the senate, which was in a razor thing margin, and he was pro-life. As were a couple of other Democrats at the time. The idea that he could have codified Roe is nonsense.
you understand THEY HAVE DONE FUCKING NOTHING TO PROTECT ABORTION RIGHTS right? you do understand that, right?
What good do you think codifying roe as law would have done? Republicans would have repealed it in 2017 when they got the White House and Congress back.
Abortions rights were only protected as a matter of the Constitution, which meant not having a heavy conservative Supreme Court.
We’re now seeing what happens when Republicans do that. Maybe Biden would have a bigger majority in his first two years. Maybe he’d still have a majority in the house now.
But we always have to legislate based on what Republicans might do.
But they are not equivalent things.
They’re the same picture
Left, left, left, right, ole left, right, left…
equally bad. one lies to your face and deceives, one is too stupid to even bother.
neither option was a good option. one changed their minds when it was beneficial for votes, the other knew that the dnc would fuck it up and didn’t bother changing anything.
also, biden is shit, and obama was too. sorry, they all are war mongering fascists that take money from corporations to do their bidding, and don’t genuinely give a shit about people. no one bothers to see beyond the favorable cnn headlines and the whitewashing of history because the situation now is so bad.
That’s ridiculous. You think Hillary would have tried to nuke a hurricane? Do you think she would have suggested using bleach to cure COVID? Do you think she would have had record job losses and record debt increases? Do you think she would have implemented massive tax cuts for the rich? Do you think she would have called Nazis marching in Charlottesville ‘very fine people?’ Do you think she would have lied about losing an election and instigated a riot? Do you think she would tell a secretary of state to just find votes for her? Do you think she would try to make a deal with Ukraine in exchange for dirt on Hunter Biden?
Most importantly: Do you think she would have appointed far-right Supreme Court justices that would end Roe v. Wade and done other massive damage since the three Trump appointed were confirmed?
Hillary was overwhelmingly a better option than Trump and that was even apparent when he was running and telling people exactly what he was going to do.
that’s all noise. I don’t care about your cnn headlines. o care about legislation. records indicate otherwise.
Really? Getting rid of Roe is ‘noise?’
I guess you don’t care much about women.
fuckloads more than corporate democrats, who have done absolutely nothing
This guy’s a chump. I suggest blocking them. Given good information in an argument and all they can come up with is “I don’t care”. Chump
CNN is right wing, you’re falling for every piece of crap talking point they’ll throw at you.
When you realize almost all of the media and government in the world are controlled by billionaires it all makes perfect sense
What legislation did the president vote for our write?
I’m glad Hillary lost. I’m sick and tired of neoliberals implementing the same policies again and again that have been proven not to work.
You’re glad we had Trump as president? So I assume you’re voting for him again this time, right? Biden is a neoliberal after all.
Yes. It just shows what a joke western democracy is.
By the time the Roman Empire fell, the citizens welcomed the barbarians into Rome , plagued by corruption.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Western_Roman_Empire
I am not voting for Biden. I don’t vote for neoliberals.
“I don’t like raisins, that’s why I’d rather eat dog poop if given the choice.”
More like I don’t like dog poop, no matter how many fresh raisins it has in it.
Lol who is that
Is the progressive left in the room with us now?
What