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    People aren’t listening unless they try to remain politically aware. They don’t even know Trump is saying all these far-right ultra-fascist things. They aren’t paying attention and they won’t until the election is much closer and it will be too late.

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      Early elections this past week seem promising. I don’t think Trump is particularly gaining votes. He’s saturated the electorate and swept up all the gullible buffoons, bigoted, and easily-grifted.

      I think generally most people are sick of him. The key is whether the progressive-left remains energized which influences and inspires the rest of the base to turn out. As long as abortion remains a hot-topic, we should be fine.

      Can’t forget how 91 criminal charges across 4 grand jury indictments will look as those trials begin and wrap up.

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              It’s not a matter of worse, on paper or otherwise. Decades of negative news about her; so, public sentiment was completely tainted and perceived her that way. She was and is completely up on things having to do with this country and worldly things. Trump should have been disqualified, not officially, but given the demonstration to the opposite. I think you mentioned it in your original comment, people don’t pay attention. They even seem to get angry when I fill them in, too. We’re totally fucked.

              Besides, when you offer to lower taxes or claim a good economy, no amount of cruelty is off the table (e.g. kids in cages).

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              She lost for a reason. Regardless of agreement with her policies or her less evil status she was politically unviable. Trump had the “outsider” angle that meant people could project their own views on him. Hillary had baggage. And wasn’t even very progressive

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                “She lost for a reason” does not mean she would have been a worse president than Trump. Do you also think Gore would have been a worse president than Bush or a second Carter term would have been worse than Reagan’s first term?

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                  I don’t think op was saying that she would have been a worse president, but rather a worse candidate, as in she was uncompetitive.

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                  Honestly there would be very little difference in the state of the world today had Hillary won. The protests in occupied Palestine may have not kicked off so hard if Hillary won and didn’t move the embassy. We definitely wouldn’t have free healthcare or bullet trains or even student debt relief had she won. It would be like right now with bidensupporting continuing to support genocidal regimes around the worldi in order to maintain western hegemony.

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                See what I said below. Or just answer this one last question I asked below: Do you think she would have appointed far-right Supreme Court justices that would end Roe v. Wade and done other massive damage since the three Trump appointed were confirmed?

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                  far right no, centrist right leaning? absolutely. democrats campaigned for republicans in texas and Minnesota because they were progressive left, not toe the line corporate democrats. why didn’t obama codify roe as law when he had the change for years? because it’s a cash cow. “vote for us to save abortion rights!” now roe is overturned, “vote for us to fight for ablution rights!” they could havw solved that issue.

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              equally bad. one lies to your face and deceives, one is too stupid to even bother.

              neither option was a good option. one changed their minds when it was beneficial for votes, the other knew that the dnc would fuck it up and didn’t bother changing anything.

              also, biden is shit, and obama was too. sorry, they all are war mongering fascists that take money from corporations to do their bidding, and don’t genuinely give a shit about people. no one bothers to see beyond the favorable cnn headlines and the whitewashing of history because the situation now is so bad.

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                That’s ridiculous. You think Hillary would have tried to nuke a hurricane? Do you think she would have suggested using bleach to cure COVID? Do you think she would have had record job losses and record debt increases? Do you think she would have implemented massive tax cuts for the rich? Do you think she would have called Nazis marching in Charlottesville ‘very fine people?’ Do you think she would have lied about losing an election and instigated a riot? Do you think she would tell a secretary of state to just find votes for her? Do you think she would try to make a deal with Ukraine in exchange for dirt on Hunter Biden?

                Most importantly: Do you think she would have appointed far-right Supreme Court justices that would end Roe v. Wade and done other massive damage since the three Trump appointed were confirmed?

                Hillary was overwhelmingly a better option than Trump and that was even apparent when he was running and telling people exactly what he was going to do.

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                  that’s all noise. I don’t care about your cnn headlines. o care about legislation. records indicate otherwise.

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                  I’m glad Hillary lost. I’m sick and tired of neoliberals implementing the same policies again and again that have been proven not to work.

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      Some might wake up after his inauguration. Some not even then. Even if people are getting pushed onto boxcars.

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        There’s too many people in this country who will cheer for the boxcars until the instant they’re forced onto one.

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      CNN gave him so much coverage in his first run. Where’s the media for this?

      Do we need to call and write them to get them to pay attention?

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      It’s pretty simple actually.

      1. Murder mayhem over there…

      OR

      2). Do it here.

      At least 1) didn’t lie about doing what they did.

      Your choice and fuck you. They don’t care about you being homeless. Get a job, slave.

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    Donald Trump would prosecute anyone he deems an enemy, unleash troops on protestors, & essentially unravel the rule of law as we know it…But sure, Joe Biden is three years older

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        Trump would very much be worse for Gazans than literally any Democrat.

        Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem lol. He would fucking bomb Gaza just to wave his tiny little dick around

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          He’d also immediately cease US support to Ukraine, and attempt to cede all Ukrainian territory to Putin. I wonder if he would ever stand up to Putin or Xi.

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          Trump would very much be worse for Gazans than literally any Democrat.

          I’m hard pressed to see how. Obama was at least milquetoast on Israel carpet-bombing Lebanon, but Joe Biden clearly does not give a fuck and has done nothing except to enable the Netanyahu regime since he took office. There’s very little more that Trump could do that would be worse than what Biden’s already endorsed now that we’re in fully on ethnic cleansing mode.

          Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem lol.

          We’ve been cutting checks on the order of $4B/year to the Israel government to arm up against its neighbors since the Bush Jr administration. Trump moving the embassy did nothing substantive. What really changed was the Israeli internal policy of arming settlers in the Golan Heights, which inflamed tensions in the West Bank, while tightening restrictions on import/export trade in Gaza to the point of actively starving out the population.

          This, while Netanyahu undermined the Palestinian Authority in order to push more local support to Hamas

          In August 2019, former prime minister Ehud Barak told Israeli Army Radio that Netanyahu’s “strategy is to keep Hamas alive and kicking … even at the price of abandoning the citizens [of the south] … in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah.”

          The logic underlying this strategy, Barak said, is that “it’s easier with Hamas to explain to Israelis that there is no one to sit with and no one to talk to.”

          Neither Obama nor Trump nor Biden has made any material effort to discourage these policies. Unlike Reagan in 1982 (fucking Reagan of all people!), who threatened to withdraw support from Israel unless it backed out of Lebanon, no President of either party since appears interested in reining Israel in.

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            You think the man that literally included collective punishment as part of his initial campaign platform wouldn’t be worse for Palestinians than Biden, regardless of the tepidness of the current response that at a bate minimum at least gives lip service to concepts of proportionality and the avoidance of civilian casualties?

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              Guarantee his first action will be something like barring Palestinians from immigration via executive order.

              Afterwards, he might put existing Palestinian immigrants into camps if they protest his actions.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    In an interview that aired Thursday night on Univision, former president Donald Trump indicated that if he’s elected in 2024, he may use the federal government to punish his critics and he defended his administration’s separation of migrant families at the U.S.-Mexico border.

    Trump faces 91 combined federal and state charges over alleged election interference, the mishandling of classified documents and falsifying business records.

    To facilitate Trump’s ability to direct Justice Department actions, his associates have drafted plans to dispense with 50 years of policy and practice intended to shield criminal prosecutions from political considerations.

    Dozens of lawsuits have been filed against the federal government seeking damages for allegedly intentionally inflicting emotional distress on migrant families as a result of the separation policy.

    And Trump’s appearance on Univision — a leading Hispanic media company in the United States with which he has a thorny history — comes a day after the former president counterprogrammed a Republican presidential debate in Miami with a rally in Hialeah.

    Acevedo’s sit-down marks the first time Trump has participated in such an interview with Univision, which completed a merger with Mexican broadcaster Televisa last year, since he removed anchor Jorge Ramos from a news conference on the campaign trail in 2015.


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