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Gulag for all trots immediately
Trotksy, the original bothsideser
Nah fuck that send 'em down the cuck pit
Im sure there are a couple we can still save thru gulag
The Palestinian bourgeoisie lmaooo the LARPing as Marxists have never been so transparent. Literally 13 yrs old me trying to analyse everything as simplistic rich vs poor
What’s IMT?
International Marxist Tendency, one of the biggest trot orgs. They go by different names in each country typically, it’s called “fight back” in canada for instance
Oh that’s what Fightback is? I remember hearing about that party having a sex pest scandal around the same time the Communist Party of Canada was having one, but I didn’t really know anything about them
palestinian bourgeoisie lol
There’s a shred of truth to it. Mahmoud Abbas and his cronies just kinda exists as a figurehead of a defunct state apparatus, getting state money to serve as the vestige of Palestinian self-governance. The PA plays Vichy France to Israel’s full military occupation, while armed opposition is a French Resistance that’s been operating without any hope of a Dunkirk on the horizon.
And there’s a shred of truth to the Israel proletariat being swept by the tide of national politics right along with the Palestinians (abet, far removed from the worst of it). The Israeli police were happy enough to assault some orthodox jews in Jerusalem for voicing dissent just two weeks ago. And this was after the effort at sweeping out an Independent Judiciary in Israel lead to riot cops and Israeli protesters clashing in the streets a few months back.
Israel is a police state in every sense of the word. And while they lure Europeans in with the promise of free land, what they’re truly hungry for is more young men and women to fill out the ranks of their armed forces. It is worth noting that you can be an Israeli dissident in the same way you can be a Palestinian collaborator.
But OP’s take pretends at parity, when it is abundantly clear where the lion’s share of sentiment falls in either community.
Lots of ableism in the replies there. It kinda jumps out when you get used to not seeing it around here.
Yeah it sucks going on twitter sometimes…
What rights do the Palestinian bourgeoisie hold currently? Still being alive? Because honestly this is a genocide, kinda tough to be resting on your bourgeois laurels when your family and friends and your house are being bombed.
Not defending the statement, but someone else pointed out, that it was made in 2010 though, hopefully some of them have grown since then
Colonizer Class Collaborationism, the Highest Form of Opportunism
Kinda unrelated but good work on the struggle on twitter against pat socs rn btw
oh thanks 😅
EDIT: also I could a sworn HB had a comic strip Ramón Mercader emoji but I guess not
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These people don’t even have the benefit of ignorance. They are purposefully doing mental gymnastics for colonialism.
“What if the peaceful colonizers and the peaceful colonized simply banded together to do a peaceful demonstration against violence?”
I find it generally reasonable.
No trying to condemn oppressed’s reaction, but isn’t it true that a split between Palestinians happened between national authority and hamas, seeded by us/israel?
To the best of my knowledge, Hamas isn’t a progressive socialist unit, it’s a fundamentalist religious group with a social support network.
While I can generally agree on the concept of “all hands against imperialism”, why is it a problem to agree between ourselves that there’s a problem with the political structure of hamas?
Please enlighten me.
Even from the theoretical point of view, this stance in OP isn’t even really trotskyist, trots with all their faults are usually decently read in Marx and Engels and often Lenin, and this take blatantly goes contrary to all three of them who were pretty clear on the class roles in national liberation.
Bourgeoisie? They even supported nobility and monarchs in this.
Because it is a national liberation struggle, getting caught arguing about semantics is precisely what the settler genocides want.
Point taken.
I agree with “it’s a liberation struggle, hamas is fair game” as a blanket public position from everyone that understands what’s in play.
And the og post is from a public forum.
But maybe in lemmygrad we don’t need the same blanket public position “between ourselves”?
Maybe the criticism is to not share those positions in public spaces, to not give any ammo to the genocidal settlers?
I see lemmygrad is technically a public space, but it’s much smaller than xitter. And the audience generally understands what’s in play.
Or is it the approach to dismiss the idea of discussing hamas completely, and keep focusing on the settlers atrocities, with a general “there’s no need to talk hamas. It’s a liberation struggle”, including within lemmygrad?
I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with that. But I’d probably disagree with the approach to how criticism was made in the op.
I think that is the problem with social media in general. Many times people like to make hay out of taking things out of context. Also I think people don’t understand that the further away from something that you are, the less of an impact one can have on more particular things like culture. If one is a Palistinian in Gaza that is fighting for womens/lgbt rights we have no beef with them in particular, but that person most likely also fighting for liberation as a primary contradictions. What womens /lgbt rights can there be when they can be slaughtered for no reason by the IDF?
An outsider also can’t really impose social norms nor should they expect to. womens and lgbt rights must be fought for domestically within their cultural context to have a full grassroots impact.
The particulars of Hamas’s social policy don’t matter much when their people are being genocided. Once the Palestinians are no longer experiencing an existential threat to themselves daily, can one expect to build a socialist party with progressive social policy. Also, in the bigger picture, if Israel falls, the western powers have lost the ability to control affairs in that part of the world as much as they do now.
Point taken! I wrote a longer reply to another comrade, if you want to read it. :)
trot to fascist pipeline showing itself again
