I’m yet to see a z chromosome interact with a x and y, till then the category stays at 2 regardless of how you feel.
What is it about anti-trans people that they are so fucking obsessed with trans people? Like, they make hating trans people a core tenant of their entire character.
The two groups that disproportionately shout louder than their ‘opposition’ are anti-trans people and anti-vegan people.
There are two genders and you’ve just eaten two steaks - I could not give less of a shit about your attention seeking bullshit.
Hmmm Vegans definitely have certain groups that are pretty damn insufferable and authoritarian
Hating gay people isn’t as popular anymore so the right has moved on to the next group they hate.
30 years ago they made banners like this about gay people instead. 30 years before that it was about feminism. The right will always find some group they hate and claim is destroying society.
When in reality it’s them
This is about the time they’ll claim Hitler was a leftist because the party name had “Socialist” in it.
Oh they‘re way ahead of you. Politicians of the German party AfD have claimed that the Nazis weren’t fascists, but in fact socialists
They have a point, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea are having their election next week
Jews,Blacks,women,gays, Trans peopleTrans people will become this generation’s minority scapegoat
Seems they have to go for ever smaller groups as well, in a 100 years all that’s left for the right to hate will be some dude named Thomas.
100% how I see it.
There needs to be an “other”.
Gay people aren’t any longer socially acceptable so they go after something else.
Women -> black people -> gay people -> transgender people -> ?
Shit’s dumb.
Gay people aren’t any longer socially acceptable
Yes they are my dude
He phrased it poorly. He meant it’s no longer acceptable to attack gay people.
Yeah okay, but have you seen Thomas
trans ppl are one of most marginalized groups who also have barely any representation in the public media, its a prime target for bullying when youre a horrible bigot, online spaces turn more and more into violent echo chambers so ppl get radicalized harder and faster than like 10 years ago.
Those ppl spend a lot of time online and Twitter’s new boss is openly pushig and supporting anti-trans voices for example. German Twitter is especially hateful and barely moderated.
Not to mention that a *lot* of Germans are still/again not rly socially progressivebarely any representation in the public media? bro are you crazy? they’re grossly overrepresented. considering how much you hear about them in in on social media and media in general you would think they would make up way more than tops 0.5% of the population, but they don’t. Come on man.
they don’t really exist in the real world.
The fuck.
They’re over-represented in the news because they’re being used as a political tool by the right.
Trans people are incredibly over represented in the public media
*tenet. But yeah, absolutely true.
You could say ‘tenant’ since trans people clearly live rent-free in their heads.
Wouldn’t a tenant be paying rent?
so you’re saying the transes are now squatters trying to get free welfare, and disrespecting those of us who pay rent to live in people’s heads?!!
In 30+ years in a Western country I never met any transgender people in my entire life, but on this website it seems like 1 in fourth people are (and 75% people claim to be neurodivergent).
Never had a problem with them online, never threaten my way of life or wish my kids or myself any harm.
It’s seem like a US politics theatrical bullshit, once again, exported to Europe.
You likely have and didn’t know it.
Yeah that’s for sure, but seing that some people crying about “The Trans Pedophile agenda” and never ever once it came up in my life, seems weird. And I grew Up in the Paris banlieue and now in the Lyon area, so no small villages either.
There IS no trans pedophile agenda, it’s right wingers inventing something to be mad about. They USED to be mad about “the blacks” or “the gays” but lost those battles in the court of public opinion.
Have to hate SOMEONE, and people were getting tired of Muslim hate, I guess.
EXACTLY.
It’s so fucking annoying on reddit. You can’t even start an argument with them on completely unrelated subjects, it’s just “transphobic” and boom, downvotes
You can’t even start an argument with them
Who is them? The transgender hivemind?
Your post tries to say a lot, while not saying anything at all. I have arguments with other trans people a lot, never been called transphobic in my life.
It may be an age thing, I’m in my early 30’s, but I’ve met quite a few at varying stages of transition and in some cases I’ve not found out until way after the fact that their gender didn’t match up with their sex. Unlike what the anti-trans lot like to claim, they don’t shove it down people’s throats or make anywhere near as big a deal of it as the tabloids and Twitter like to believe.
The bigots will have you believe that trans people wear shirts that say “I’m teams and you must love me!” and are just itching to sign your kids up to HRT. In truth, they, like everyone else, just want to live their lives in peace.
You’ve met trans people before, you just didn’t realise
It’s seem like a US politics theatrical bullshit
What makes you think this is a mindset that began in the US? Where do you think the US got most of its cultural values?
Oh yeah I just remembered the EU talking non-stop about this before the 2016 US election, my fault.
The soft power the USA got politically affect every countries in the whole wide fucking world, and especially culturally in Western countries.
That’s exactly what it is. A political wedge issue. For example the issue of trans women “dominating” sports because they were born male is now a super hot button topic, even though the NCAA actually dealt with this issue in 2011 and laid out a very reasonable policy which functioned fine for many years and did not result in any level of trans women “dominance” of women’s sports.
Surprise surprise, it’s because in the U.S. the liberals won gay marriage and the conservatives “won” abortion, and now the conservative outrage factory needs a new angle to keep single-issue voters in line. It’s hilarious how the right always accuses the left of playing identity politics when they’re the ones that conjure up issues out of nothing.
What I find confounding is how Europe continues to import our political issues. These countries, especially the right wing, are always so derisive of American politics, but always seem to end up fighting the same stupid fights we do here. The rise of fascism seemed to also get kicked into high gear after Trump. Aren’t y’all supposed to be proud to be better than us? Stop copying the worst of us.
I’ve met at least once in France, and working as a intern in public administration.
That’s the only I’ve met and she was at the reception in the prefecture.
I just said this to someone else, but how do you know you haven’t met other trans people? I had a friend for years before I found out he was trans because he wrote a song about it. He was out, and lots of people knew, but it never came up. We had other things to talk about.
It’s seem like a US politics theatrical bullshit, once again, exported to Europe.
this current wave of transphobia is a specifically British creation
The two traits are highly correlated.
Hate of trans people is certainly not coming from the US.
Eh, it’s likely you haven’t noticed tbh. A lot of trans people just look like any regular cisgendered person, it’s not always visually noticeable.
And that’s exactly the reason why I don’t understand why people make such a big deal of it
I really dislike this line of thinking.Think it’s more that it has been shown to be dangerous for trans people to just exist as they are in public, whereas online they prob feel safer expressing their true self.
If you’ve gone 30+ years without ever meeting a trans person, maybe it’s cuz trans people have never felt safe being open about it with you?
Saw a stat that right wing people engage with more trans related content on their social media feed than all other political leanings combined, even more than trans people themselves.
How is that banner connected to trans people? (Not a hater, I’m geniunely asking.)
What do you think “but only two genders” is referring too…
Am I missing context? Why are they refering to a “;)”?
Bayer Leverkusen is seen in Germany as a plastic club by a lot of fans, mostly because they have distanced themselves from their working class roots. They have a family friendly atmosphere and stadium. As a result a part of the ultra fanbase is trying to distance themselves from that clean image by being edgy and coming up with shocking statements.
They have a cult mascot, “der Zitronenmann”, they use as a “spokesperson to” say controversial shit trying to get attention and stay relevant. They have provoked and picked fights with rivals as well, mainly Bremen and Koln.
I thought RB Leipzig was the only plastic club
No Wolfsburg, Hoffenheim, Leipzig and Leverkusen are the 4 plastic clubs.
I am not German so maybe I am missing something but I can’t really see the equivalence between Wolfsburg and Leverkusen against Hoffenheim and Leipzig. The former were initiated as clubs for the workers of the companies about 100 years ago, the latter two were bought by SAP and RB, respectively. I don’t think it makes sense to see Wolfsburg and Leverkusen in the same light given that their history is deeply intertwined with the corporations that own them, the people of those corporations and the cities they are in.
It’s absolutely normal to me that Wolfsburg and Bayer are owned by their respective Groups, even with the German rule of ownership.
Edit: obviously this ultra message from OP is horrendous and i’m not defending it all btw
I am not German so maybe I am missing something but I can’t really see the equivalence between Wolfsburg and Leverkusen against Hoffenheim and Leipzig
in general the two broad categories of german clubs are “tradtionsclub”(tradition club) and “Kommerzclub” (commercial club, the plastics).
we do make further distinctions within that second category (Leipzig is seen as by far the worst, then hoffenheim and then wolfsburg and leverkusen) but what they all share is that they are controlled privately and undermine 50+1, so they are grouped together as plastic
I see, that’s interesting. Thanks for the cultural context, makes sense.
They still have a big financial advantage for not being owned by the fans but by Bayer AG a ethicly dubious company at the least. Fans just don’t like that, they take away a spot in the bundesliga from Fan-Owned Clubs, they take away International campaings from Clubs who would actually fill their stadium in these international games, who could actually use the money. All 4 clubs make the leage worse.
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two sides of the same coin m8
Bayer Leverkusen is seen in Germany as a plastic club by a lot of fans, mostly because they have distanced themselves from their working class roots.
No, they are seen as bad for the Bundesliga because they undermine 50+1 by being a works team for Bayer.
The Team existed as Bayer Leverkusen 100 years before 50+1 was a thing.
No reason for Bayer to take over the club then?
And? It doesn’t matter how they were founded 100 years ago. Nowadays they are part of the Bayer AG and are one of three (soon to be two) clubs who are exempt from the 50+1 rule.
Which one is the third club? As far as I know, it’s only Leverkusen and RB
So what? It’s still a special exemption from the law, being grandfathered in doesn’t change that. “Technically, it’s legal” won’t win you any sympathy points.
Bremen and Koln
of course lol
Every right-wing ultras group hates those clubs. Respectively, they’re seen as the “woke club” and “gay club” by the far-right ultras.
Köln is actually due to the proximity. Bremen however doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, their fans can’t really be generalised as leaning towards any political affiliation.
Not sure what your source is but Bremen Ultras are very, very left leaning.
The club itself is also a bit more left leaning just look at the AFD statements.In 2007 there was an attack on the antirascist Ultra Group Racaille by far right Hooligans at a party inside the stadiums east curve hall. Back at that time most fans were like you said trying to be unpolitical and to avoid any conflicts but there was also the first root of leftist fan groups and anti-rascist, anti-homophobic etc. fan groups coming up.
This attack lead to a change in our fan scene but since then the majority of our ultra scene has been very far left leaning and the Hooligan Groups have been driven out of the stadium.
Of course there is no generalisation of normal fans. I do know someone with very right wing views whos St. Pauli fan but in general our fan scene right now and especially the ultras are left leaning.
“We’re not plastic, we’re homophobic you see ;)”
LOL everybody in Bremen laughs about that every season, Werder is NOT A RIVAL of Leverkusen, it’s just that their ultras try desperately to start a quarrel with the mainly leftist leaning ultra groups with tame provocations like this one.
Hertha Fans try the same with us in Schalke and other Schalke Fans are always super confused because nobody cares about Hertha Berlin.
Setting aside the fact that I find club friendships and rivalries in general super random and mostly ridiculous, this one has some history. Old Hertha fans remember Schalke using lawyer power to strip Hertha of a crushing 3:0 win in the 71/72 DFB Pokal, after which Schalke went on to win the Pokal that season.
Somebody remind them there’s a difference between gender and sex
That very basic biological fact is way above the mental comprehension of these knuckle-draggers.
It’s not a fact though, it’s a belief that seems to be peddled by people of a certain political ideology.
Being anti trans is so weird to me
Congrats mate u have kids killing them selves because you can’t understand their mind……just like how no one can understand anyone’s mind cause we are all fucking different people
Or rather, why not just ignore it? Not supporting it is one thing but to go out of your way to hate, all that energy, for what.
Letting them transition makes no different to them killing themselves but sure.
It’s more how people don’t like how society has to be altered to accommodate for the group. E.g separation of sex from gender.
I mean, it’s technically the truth.
If you ignore the fact that even the German language has 3 gender forms.
They are speaking absolute facts. There are only 2 genders
You’re embarrassing
Where is the lie?
imagine caring about other peoples genitals
aww the anti trans losers sent in a RedditCareResources report about me, they must be so concerned about me having to watch my team stay bottom of ligue 1 😢
Imagine being so pressed about the existence of trans people that you make a whole banner about it to proudly display at a match like it’s something most people in that stadium care to see? What’s the point
Don’t trans people agree that there are 2 genders? They transition from one gender to the other. That’s why Buddhist counties like Thailand accept trans folks because in Buddhism it’s believed to be a good thing to experience life as men and as a woman.
Not really. Gender is different from sex. When someone says there are only two genders what theyre usually talking about is male and female
gender identity is much more of a spectrum and more distant from sex. Someones sex could be biologically male, but that doesnt matter as much as their gender identity is, idk feminine looking non-binary. And that excludes all the weird shit biology also does like intersex people
lol
It is ridicoulous that these days event as blant and obvious statements like that one can be controversive and offend anyone. Next up: Water is wet
Based
But Germans on this sub told me that the mighty based Bunglesliga was above this kind of idiocy and that it was only reserved for dirty peasant leagues like LL and Serie A.
“We’re about to lose the best manager we ever had, how can we convince him to stay with the best fans in the world?”
“Lads I have a fantastic idea”
I know this is a joke but Leverkusen is known to have no proper fanbase anyway
Complete bullshit.
Might as well say that all Bayern fans are plastics/success-fans. Oh wait…
Let him live in his own world. It just shows how little knowledge they have
I’ve been to most stadiums in Germany, few were as empty as the BayArena. And of course Bayern has tons of success/Event Fans. The same was true for Dortmund in 2011-13. Success sadly attracts people who might otherwise not be interested as much and there’s not much you can do about it. Maybe the current success will actually fill your stadium for a while.
every time I’ve been at the BayArena, against any opponent (incl. Hoffenheim), it was sold out, so not sure what you’re on about.
"We’re about to lose the best manager we ever had,
They had Heynckes not that long ago.
I would even argue that Schmidt is better than Alonso
Who had worse results.
How does anyone care about this so much? It baffles me. To go to this length to advertise your bigotry is surely a sign of mental illness.
The rich and powerful love nothing more than telling the less fortunate that it’s the minorities who cause all of their problems - it’s a great way to distract them while they continue to destroy the middle class.
