Well, there goes all the “we got ____ before GTA 6” memes
Does it matter who the protagonist is? Most of the game is about the online component. It makes Rockstar literal tons of money.
GTA is a notable blank spot in my gaming history, just never interested me much. I could have sworn that earlier games in the franchise had character creators though, were they actually just set male main characters in every one prior?
The first game had eight characters to choose from, with four being female, but nobody gives one or two much thought. Three and on had single main characters, V had the player swapping between three characters as a gameplay/plot mechanic, and V’s online component lets you roll you own.
The only time you could make your character was in the online mode for gta v. You might be thinking of Saints Row.
People have already gotten offended by the female protagonist when it got leaked a few months prior. Anything that isn’t a cisgender straight white able-bodied male is considered “too woke” for them.
There isn’t wide spread hate for female leads. Most guys love Zero Dark Thirty, Resident Evil, and Alien. Having said that, there are affirmative action style push to create and promote characters that push an agenda. I’m in conflict between enjoying stories from all walks of life while against it when there is no motivation behind the character selection. I think both right and left leaning folk have valid concerns, and the GTA story has always put quality over a flat agenda. I’m hopeful GTA VI will make both groups happy.
"what? men don’t hate female leads! most guys love (franchises where the female lead is white and conventionally attractive)!
So you disagree with others in this thread.
I just remembered, the online anti woke folk love none white asian leads. Anime is popular in those circles.
There isn’t widespread hate for female leads.
Stop. Who are you to redefine “widespread” and “hate” for us? Youre not gonna gloss over that statement and move on, no sir. You’re gonna need to flesh this thought out for us, cuz it sounds like an opinion, and you stated it as fact. It’s the lynchpin of your argument so…
There isnt. Ive talked to white nationals, gamer incels, and the most liberal guys and they all like female leads. If you think hating female leads is normal they youve been misinformed. It is more complex than “these people are evil, they hate woman”.
There isnt.
Ive talked to white nationals, gamer incels, and the most liberal guys and they all like female leads.
Hoo boy. I don’t want to seem like I’m tearing you down for having a different opinion, but you understand i can’t take a random experience youve had, talking to someone ive never met as evidence you are correct, right?
Your argument here is what’s known as an informal fallacy, “anecdotal evidence”.
Those people you talked to have opinions, and what they provided you was their opinion. The fact they agree with you doesn’t make your position stronger.
Please think on this. if your goal is to debate people with quality arguments then you must.
I know it is pointless arguing with a centrist. But how is promoting diverse characters an agenda. Why is it only if the characters isn’t part of the usual “status quo” that it is considered as such.
True, the dominant agenda still remains making white, west European or Anglo men out to be heroes and saviors (the opposite of what they usually are IRL).
There’s definitely a spate of really obnoxious takes (pandering) by Disney and other mainstream, white-owned media to try to score diversity brownie points, that said. I’d hesitate to call it an agenda, so much as it is just liberals trying to pretend their shit don’t stink, and giving lip service to diversity with little substance if any behind what they do as usual.
Thats an agenda. If your goal was to promote only men thats also an agenda. If youre into feet and make foot porn, youre pushing a foot agenda. This isnt about status quo.
Ol’ Jackie Hinkle’s already rolled up with the thermonuclear takes.
trailer looked good but my interest kinda dropped when it said 2025. when it’s that far away my brain is just like “well there’s no reason to care about this for another year or more, then” because you know they’re just gonna drip feed you the smallest bit of info at a glacial pace until then.
same thing happened when Bethesda announced ES6. I hate when these companies announce projects super early. I wish more games would follow the Fallout 4 route where they announced it in the summer and it released like 4 or 5 months later.
For real. If a game gets announced with a release date that is more than 6 months in the future chances are very high that by the time the game comes out I will no longer have an interest in playing it (unless it turns out to be really really good). I personally don’t care about any teasers/hints that marketing drops every now and then up until the release and I don’t follow any influencers/shills who make long essays about the latest teaser so most game releases just fly over my head at that point.
Considering GTA’s historical treatment of women in their older games, I’ll still hold my breath to see how the characters are written. Although gamers seething is always nice, I’m always pessimistic with the AAA games industry.
I’ve really wondered what 6 will look like given how abhorrent female representation is in these games. It’ll likely still have its cringey moments, but the trailer looks pretty encouraging.
Haven’t seen the trailer yet. I never really understood the hype of watching a Trailer. I feel like they just show the best parts of a game, meanwhile I have no clue if the rest of the game is boring or if the menus are confusing
Reputation plays a big part of it. If your friend has made the best cake multiple times, you trust them to do it again.
Based, I saw it, it already had 35 million views 5 hours in.
IT’S BEEN 10 YEARS OF WAITING LESSSSS GOOOOO!!!
GTA games are usually sexist and are too violent, depraved. Having women or not these games are not healthy for society.
Excuse me, I have a question for the “Arbiter of subversive media” (
You)The book There, There by Tommy orange depicts sexism, addiction, violence, and poverty.
Is that not healthy for society?
thx,
It mimics real life really well, then, I don’t see the problem.
I guess we normal people don’t go usually out and kill people for gangs and mobs.
Yea why aren’t there more video games about following the speed limit in your 10 year old car then filling out spreadsheets for 8 hours.
Where the fuck did all these boomer ass takes come from.
Treat defender.
Most normal people don’t fly airplanes either, but that’s not a requirement for Flight Simulator to mimic real life well too.
flight simulators and other war games (Early CODs not the modern warfare and such ) don’t promote negative values in society and sexism . Portraying women as mere sexual objects is not very healthy to teenagers . GTA 5 had all kinds of applying torture , sexual gratification , promoting banditry.
You’re sounding like a 90’s christian parent worried that video games are going to turn their kids violent.
Which reminded me, I should have mentioned this earlier, but you used the word “depraved” in the first post; I am not comfortable with you using that christofacist language.
lol. Well that’s maybe the cultural difference between a westerner and a person from South Asia. We two have different perspectives of depravity and right and wrong. btw I am not a Christian .
Well, you do sound like one. Condemning a piece of media for its “depravity” sounds like it came straight out of a Republican’s playbook. As for perspective, I mean, if it means “things with a sexual tone that I consider morally bad”, then it is a problem regardless of culture.
Watch fucking Anita Sarkeesian! These are downright gamergater takes.
Games are the newest bugaboo in a long line of media 'boos. Movies, tv shows, books (really). Its extremely tiring to see this same pattern play out
https://www.gamerbraves.com/china-has-banned-more-than-60-games-from-live-streaming/ I don’t know about media boos but I approve of what china has done.
Ah yes the old classic “video games make people bad” argument from like way back in the 90s 😂
Social conservativism is actually much MUCH worse for society
You have been living in a bubble world where you think GTA 5/6 is the way to achieve social progress. Yeah , portraying women as sexual objects , promoting drug abuse , gang violence is what we need in the society. No regular healthy society will accept it. Western societies and liberal left accept it because they have nothing else to offer in their corrupt society and you people are being brainwashed by those idiotic concept thinking a women protagonist in GTA 5 game is feminism . But whom I am to judge your corrupt capitalistic system has made those games and you are the product of the same society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsZdwwDV42M Torturing a guy with electric shocks /clippers is not fun for me and it shouldn’t be for anyone. And is NOT a social progress of any kind .
https://www.reddit.com/r/truegaming/comments/1njfjm/gta_vs_torture_scene_and_the_games_industrys/
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Man what are you even fucking talking about, all that cause I said you made a dumb argument that was debunked like 30 years ago. Go off though 👍🏿
The liberal argument may have been debunked but the Marxist critique hasn’t.
You’re 100% right and it’s downright disturbing that you’re downvoted. Depraved
Don’t call it “depraved” westerners will get heart attack from “Republican” nightmares or we are “christofascists” because we didn’t accept the protagonist Michael’s daughter Tracey having several affairs to get a actor job but that’s how she says , this is los santos or precisely USA .
Imperialist Cultural Offensive:
"In analyzing a society and deriving its laws of motion, Marxism proceeds by studying its economic base, then also its superstructure (politics and culture) both in their particularity and in their interaction. The class that controls the economic base and appropriates the surplus product is the determinant factor in the long run, producing its own framework of political rule and dominant cultural precepts.
As Marx aptly said in The German Ideology:
The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it. … Insofar, therefore, as they rule as a class and determine the extent and compass of an epoch, it is self-evident that they do this in its whole range, hence among other things rule also as thinkers, as producers of ideas, and regulate the production and distribution of the ideas of their age: thus their ideas are the ruling ideas of the epoch.
However, the superstructure can become crucial in intensifying contradictions within the economic base or in breaking deadlocks towards resolution and general advance. Thus to be a cultural activist, one must understand the underlying contradictions and define one´s class stand. On whose side are we? As cultural activists, we stand with and for the people. We expose and criticize oppression and obscurantism in any or many aspects of this vast mental, communication, and behavioral complex that we call culture, and espouse revolutionary changes in society in that same space.
In the past two or three decades now, the world’s countries and peoples have been facing a renewed cultural offensive by the foremost imperialist powers. This offensive advances in parallel with their economic and political-military offensives. This cultural offensive is led by US imperialism. It is the “soft power” aspect of the US ambition for full spectrum dominance in the economic, political, military, social and other spheres, including outer space."
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Jack Thompson was right. The videogames made by the west encourage people to become antisocial freaks. All the treat defenders in the thread can cope and seethe all they want, people are shaped by the media they consume.
Okay and…? I don’t play Western games, JRPGs is my shit. I don’t even know why this is a big fucking deal it’s fucking videogames.
latina woman as protagonist, the fall of the game industry 😔 /s
still behind cyberpunk tho, that u can play as a trans person
it’s a day that ends in “-y”, prepare for unlimited gamer cope. 🤷🏼
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i never though rockstar would have to balls to actually have a female protagonist
which is funny when you consider how very controversial their whole image used to be
all you had to do was remake the damn san andreas in 4k, rockstar!
If San Andreas had released in 2023 it would have been slammed for being part of the woke white genocide because the protagonist is political.
First scene in thr game is a black man being falsely blamed for killing a police officer and selling drugs and blackmailed by cops for trying to go to his mom’s funeral.
First scene in thr game is a black man
The Gamers are already angry.
