• awwwyissss@lemm.ee
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        9 months ago

        i agree with the general point, but calling people at a music festival an occupying force seems disingenuous.

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          9 months ago

          Who do you blame for the deaths of innocent German civilians during World War 2? I blame Hitler, but it sounds like you blame the Allies for fighting back.

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            9 months ago

            Like many things in life, the answer isn’t “either this or that.” Plenty of blame to go around.

            Many deaths because of Hitler, but what about Nazi leadership? When you consider things like the firebombing of Dresden it turns into an even greyer shade of grey.

            Considering nuance takes more effort, but ultimately it’s more rewarding than black and white thinking.

            FWIW I didn’t downvote you.

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              9 months ago

              I don’t really understand the down votes, so I must not have made myself clear in my last comment. My point was that Hitler and Nazi leadership caused all of that to happen. If Hitler hadn’t been such a monster and invaded the rest of Europe, Dresden would have never been firebombed. Similarly if Israel hasn’t tried to genocide Palestinians, there wouldn’t have been an attack on the music festival.

              Horrible things happen during war. The only way to prevent that is by not starting one to begin with. I agree that Hamas has done terrible things, but the blame must ultimately lie with Israel.

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                9 months ago

                There’s a stark difference between “Israel is the greater of two evils” and “Israel is evil, Hamas is against Israel. Hamas must be good.”. I don’t think most people are trying to push the idea that Israel is good outside of MSM news outlets and their audiences. At least not here.

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                9 months ago

                Hitler, Nazi leadership, Nazi soldiers, Swiss bankers, the Ribbentrop Pact… allied commanders, allied bomber pilots. They all have some of the responsibility for civilians burning in Dresden etc.

                I blame Israel more for the current situation too.