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can’t get sick if you can’t afford the diagnosis.
The next obvious evolutionary step.
Hey I just a had a thought. We should have a vote on student loan debt. If you vote against a blanket clearing of the debt you automatically go on a list of people who can’t declare bankruptcy due to medical debt.
Sorry, but taxpayers shouldn’t be bailing out your poor financial decisions. You took out the loans, you can pay them back.
At times I wonder if medically assisted suicides are frowned upon due to not being able to further drain the money out of patients and their extended credit lines.
They’re also frowned upon because it’s pretty cruel to tell someone “well, you could just die” because they can’t afford medical treatments or a place to live.
Nobody needs to tell us that. We already know.
I’d rather rhave the option than not even ha e autonomy over my own life.
Rush Limbaugh taught conservatives to hate universal health insurance because doctors would tell you to just die.
You don’t have to wonder any longer. You’ve figured it out. Take the morality out of many political decisions and you have the right answer. Abortions? – nobody gives a shit about those children. It’s a convenient cover so they don’t have to say “Mothers are killing the thing that we will enslave and drain later on in the economy!” Everyone says that they care about the child until it’s born – they don’t even care before that point. And the lack of care/suffering/poverty of the child afterwards is the point of exploitation. So the system is working as intended. They need more workers, they need to siphon every ounce of production out of those workers.
Abortions? – nobody gives a shit about those children. It’s a convenient cover so they don’t have to say “Mothers are killing the thing that we will enslave and drain later on in the economy!"
What sort of purpose does it serve to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term when the fetus has a Fatal fetal abnormality?
What sort of purpose does it serve to force a woman to carry a pregnancy
One sterile woman is a good exchange for 10 babies born in poverty who will join the Army.
The policy creates orphans more than it creates a population boom. And eventually people do find ways to prevent/stop pregnancies they’re just more dangerous and you see small bump in births then they go down as women die. With more women dying on their 3rd or 4th child then you get more kids who are ophaned.
The strategic problem is nobody wants orphans so what happens? They get abused or fend for themselves and become unstable. Ain’t many of them going to join the army.
None of those details matter. More meat for the grinder is all they care about.
Ehrlichman: “Edgar Kaiser is running his Permanente deal for profit. And the reason that he can … the reason he can do it … I had Edgar Kaiser come in … talk to me about this and I went into it in some depth. All the incentives are toward less medical care, because …”
President Nixon: [Unclear.]
Ehrlichman: “… the less care they give them, the more money they make.”
President Nixon: “Fine.” [Unclear.]
I was at a work training with in the US with someone from Japan. She said she had only been to the US one other time but that she had gotten sick and spent 2 weeks in the hospital.
I don’t know what Japan’s healthcare system is like, but I can’t imagine being someone from another country and unfamiliar with our shitty system and getting that huge ass bill.
Most probably it was still covered by here Japanese insurance. A friend of mine broke an arm while in US and some insurance he bought in Poland paid for everything. You don’t have to be familiar with American system. It’s just like any other insurance.
Traveller insurance can often offset it.
It’s NOT like any other insurance.
Case in point: I rolled into the hospital with a sore arm. X-rays and an arm cast. But I left my wallet at home because my ride showed up early. “just phone down with your health number, if you could, so we can update the right file. Thanks!”. 0$
Non-US case2: I felt a wave of dizziness on the way to work and almost browned out while driving. Pulled over. It passed and I drove 2 blocks to the hospital. Related my story and spent 8 hours in test after test, room after room. I got the full workup. $0
Non-US case 3: my dear friend collapsed while this wife was out getting Starbucks. Dumbstruck and in pain. He could only speed dial her number: 911 was too complex. She does 911 and races home (xkr-s) as the first ambulance arrives and lets them in. They stabilize while the specialized cardiac bus is arriving. “Follow us in. Look. We’re gonna try for surrey but if he crashes we’ll divert to rch(trauma center). We’re gonna hit the lights, siren and punch it. Don’t feel you need to-- [spots jaguar idling] okay. So keep up only if it’s safe. We’re going.” SGH spotted something, not sure. Admitted for obs. Something was something, so it was a hot and loud bus to RCH anyway because it was serious and if he coded in traffic it would kill him. Heat up the trauma center o-r on a Sunday morning to apply 5 stents and prevent death by Widowmaker heart attack. He lives. Goes home in 2 weeks. $0
We’re not even paying monthly premiums anymore. But I would. I’m at the top end of the income-based sliding scale and I’ll pay it every damned month.
US example: dude rolls into wrong hospital while unconscious after soccer collision. Concussion. Tylenol. “Go home. Don’t fall asleep”. $80k(trauma center)+$10(Tylenol).
My US example: IT. Great insurance as they like us (Unix dev). Northgate Hospital in WA as I’m an H1b imm’grint takin-yer-jerb. Roll in for a simple procedure to alleviate spinal pressure when a sinus (not that kind) isn’t draining by itself. Advise the doc it’s a common thing for me, and a local and a horse-needle will get it back in line. Doc lays in with a scalpel and butchers me. Charges $500 for the pleasure but the invoice of arbitrary charges I didn’t have to pay was insane. Came home when my first h1 was up. Not looking back.
Americans have normalized low-key medical fear and avoidance that they don’t realize; and they are missing chances to catch things before it costs them their house or their life; and defending medical-induced bankruptcy (which can’t be discharged through bankruptcy) while completely blind to the fact that no other g8 is this objectively cruel to its own people.
This is nothing new: Been doing it my whole fucking life :(
Better to have expensive service that is actually available when you need it. Socialized medicine means you’ll be waiting MONTHS for an appointment. Or they’ll just tell you to kill yourself. No joke.
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Says the person who clearly doesn’t have to see specialists in the US very often. We already have to wait months to see specialists.
Weird, last time I had to visit ER in socialized hospital it was quick and free. Where are you getting your info from?
Who are you not needing to wait months for an appointment? Especially a specialist?
Lol… and when you have no insurance they kick you out of the hospital.
But the strong economy…
Clearly these people have not seen The Statistics™
“getting sick” and “getting hospitalized” are two wildly different things. I got sick last week and it cost me nothing (well, a few $$$ for some ice cream).
Wrong. “Sick” is “not well”. And it can cost tens to hundreds of thousands. Do not come in here and fucking mitigate the problem. Some of us are actually dealing with this in real life.
Yet COVID vaccinations are down…
And “essential workers” are right back to being expected to work while sick…
This is fine.
Got my free COVID shot and my free flu shot 90metres away at the pharmacy. Strolled in, they pulled up my info on pharmanet, all good, let’s do it. Out in 5.
Nothing changed for “essential workers”. The only reprieve they received was guaranteed time off if they contracted Covid. We still had sick people working, they were the wrong kind of sick.
Everyone I know has some kind of medical debt. Even my doctor said he ignores his medical bills, who doesn’t. What can you do, when you need medical help and insurance won’t pay for it. Personally I feel that if someone is chronically ill with a debilitating illness, the most humane thing we can do is allow them the choice of assisted suicide.
I think we should do the “Soylent Green” thing. Remember that movie? When someone is too sick, old, or just tired of life, they have the choice of going into a state-run facility where they go into a bed and slowly assisted into death - and their body is used to make more food for other people. I mean, why not - protein is protein and why not solve hunger and pain at the same time.
where they go into a bed and slowly assisted into death
Nah. I’ll take quick and painless. Which also gets into that protein thing. Even today, in a round about way, we all end up eventually as someone else’s food. So may as well take a few middlemen out of the equation and just puree people into McChicken filler.
Well I’d probably take the quick and painless route if I had to make a choice.
But in the movie, it’s entirely painless and the patient gets to watch a cool movie with beautiful music as they are slowly ushered into the “other world.” I think that idea of it being painless and kind of beautiful would make it a lot less dire of an experience (though I like the idea of 25 cent Suicide Booths - there’s something about the silliness of having to use a quarter to make it work - just another bit of randomness that makes the necessity of suicide booths more appealing).
Personally I feel that if someone is chronically ill with a debilitating illness, the most humane thing we can do is allow them the choice of assisted suicide.
I think the most humane thing to do would be to treat them with the best care we as a society can provide without forcing them into massive debt.
Well sure, if you want to be all humane and LOGICAL about it. (rolls eyes). That would be the best option if it is available - but I’ve seen many patients forced to endure horrible protracted processes of dying without the means to afford any better outcome (and there are some who even the best treatments just can’t help).
The most logical thing would be to eat the rich.
Yes but there’s so much fat to trim away. I think we should give all people a chance to be “at the table.” I mean what’s wrong with human meat? Ounce per ounce it’s more nutritious than the same amount of chicken or beef. Ask the survivors of the Andes’ plane wreck.
We’d have to cook it to the texture of shoe-leather, to make sure to kill whatever yuck that might be in them.
That said, something isn’t right with my body; I’m not tolerating meat well, lately. Considering vegan but not sure how to get plenty of protein, and I do love dairy, which is still less expensive than almond/oat milk (which I like well enough).
We could grind them up and turn them into biodiesel!
Then we pollute the air more. I’m pretty sure there is zero use for billionaires and multimillionaires. Deprogramming and re-education, probably by putting them in crap pay service industry positions, slum dwellings and taking away their toys, including internet and television, and probably telephones that dial more than emergency services.
Tax them first, proportional to gross income.
(You know, like America in the '40s . Do they know that’s one of the few Greats America was, and thus one of the few things they can Make it Again?)
Even like in the fifties would be great!
I’ve been seeing this headline for more than twenty years.
Another 20 years and people might be fed up enough to do something about it.
I eat literal fish antibiotics from the internet when I need antibiotics. American healthcare is too expensive.
I mean aren’t most animal antibiotics if not all simply the same stuff we used adjusted by weight of the animal?
Yeah it should be the same chemical, but there’s zero regulatory oversight (FDA in this case) to ensure you know exactly what you’re putting in your body, what the actual dose is, etc.
Easy solution don’t pay
I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY
We are so baffled in Europe about how a country that preaches human rights around the world revels in denying its own people one of the most fundamental human rights. Truly mind boggling.
Yeah but have you ever tried to live with only 3 homes instead of 4 or 5? It’s a lot to ask of our dear job creators!
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Hypocrisy is a defining feature of the ideology that half of our politicians subscribe to.
