• 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      1% of Gaza, 0.004% of all Palestinians. An awful tragedy and must be stopped. I could be convinced otherwise but that doesn’t sound like genocide or ethnic cleansing. It sounds like 150 times fewer civilian casualties than the Iraq war, proportionate to the population.

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    7 months ago

    I’ll go ahead and type what they mean.

    NRPI - No Real Person Involved

    It’s the most disgusting but most honest corporate term I have ever seen. Palestinians aren’t real to these people. They are clumped together into “casualties” and maybe, if they are lucky, “civilian casualties”. How many “non-real person” deaths does it take to force people to acknowledge this genocide?

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      7 months ago

      Watching an MSF volunteer doctor describe WCNSF while the interviewer sat mute and emotionless was telling.

      There’s an acronym that’s unique to the Gaza Strip, it’s WCNSF - wounded child, no surviving family - and it’s not used infrequently

      She almost broke down mid sentence, the host was ready to move on to the next segment piece of the broadcast…

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        7 months ago

        Multiple doctors have been vocal about this disgusting new acronym.

        History is not going to look at Israel well. They done fucked up bad and it’s gonna catch up to them.

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      7 months ago

      Dunno how you calculated that, but if the 22600 figure is correct, it’s 2.8%. Gaza population is currently 800,636 (edit I guess this is could be an estimate, not an exact figure). Still growing even with this war, apparently. edit2 <= junk figures based on shit source I guess.

      Against Palestine population it’s 0.4%.

      Does Hamas report itself how many of its soldiers are in that 22600, or is it claiming that all of these fatalities are actual civilians?

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          7 months ago

          Ok, my source was perhaps fucked.

          1.1% is about the same as Bucha.

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        7 months ago

        The 22,600 figure is most likely a severe underestimate of the people murdered by occupation forces in Gaza (and elsewhere, because they’ve been murdering people in the West Bank and Lebanon as well). I shared this in another comment but The Lancet published this which determined there was no evidence that the Gaza Ministry of Health is inflating these statistics, if anything they are being under reported.

        As for how many are “actual civilians” the way that is being reported currently heavily favors the narrative of the occupation because the assumption is simply that all males over the age of 13 are combatants, and even using this absurd framing around 61% of those killed are women and children. The occupation forces have proportionately killed more journalists and UN aid workers than in any other conflict in recent history.

        History will judge Israel and its supporters harshly.

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          As for how many are “actual civilians” the way that is being reported currently heavily favors the narrative of the occupation because the assumption is simply that all males over the age of 13 are combatants, and even using this absurd framing around 61% of those killed are women and children. The occupation forces have proportionately killed more journalists and UN aid workers than in any other conflict in recent history.

          Sure, perhaps, but the number of Hamas deaths is certainly higher than 0. Would be interesting to know the actual number, however impossible such a figure is to get in this situation.

          History will judge Israel and its supporters harshly.

          Eh. We’ll see.

  • I_Has_A_Hat@startrek.website
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    7 months ago

    I can kinda get it not being “murderous”. When civilians are killed while in the middle of a war, it’s not considered murder, it’s considered a war crime. It’s a technicality, but that’s how words work.

    But I’m not sure how you can say it isn’t brutal. Of course it’s brutal.

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      7 months ago

      I haven’t read this, but yeah… War is brutal by nature, so to call it anything else is a flat out lie

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    If that doesn’t merit the terms “murderous” and “brutal,” what in hell does??? I do agree that both terms are a bit too lenient and lighthearted for what they are actually doing. But, I’m sure the next generation of Palestinians won’t be already amassing arms in anticipation of a bloody retaliation necessitating further non-“murderous” responses from Israel in the future. Right?

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    20,000 is low numbers for the British. If they admit that’s too many people killed, they’d have to admit that they’re an island descended from murderous, genocidal zealots and colonizing savages.

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      7 months ago

      To be fair, you can say that about every country. Humans are a virus that spreads without remorse or concern.