Once again, the Spectre of China haunts the US.
Heaven forbid that the Asiatic Hordes develop space technology!
Modern For All Mankind plotline? Can we get some global communist community too?
Having a space program to advance our species and civilization: I Sleep.
Having a space program to win a dick measuring contest against your geopolitical rival: Real Shit.
Not just a geopolitical rival, but one that wanted to collaborate.
Honestly with capitalist enshittification and how all the new fancy tanks and planes have all turned out to be glorified planned obsolescence $6000 flathead screwdriver plastic iPhone live action Disney Cocomelon dogshit like everything else this country produces, I wouldn’t be surprised if all their efforts end in literal flames just like all the dogshit space dildos Elon Musk has detonated on the tarmac the last decade. I say go for it, why not accelerate the decline of this bastard country with a few trillion in glorified bottle rockets. Man these rulers are such jokers.
This might be a hot take here, but for all of Elon’s overhyped flops like the Hyperloop and car tunnels, the Falcon 9 does have the lowest launch cost per kg out of any rocket and is the only family of orbital rockets with a demonstrated reusable propulsive landing system. That’s not to say they’ll have the lead forever since there’s a fundamental limitation of private enterprise, but currently they’re ahead in several important ways.
What you won’t find a lot of people talking about his how Falcon 9 got its wings, and how it’s stayed ahead since. It’s one of the most impressive rockets in history, don’t get me wrong, but it was paid for by the state, just like other impressive rockets like the Saturn V and Soyuz.
SpaceX got its start with CIA venture capital money (In-Q-Tel). That same CIA connection, Michael Griffin, then became NASA administrator and magically made the first contract with SpaceX happen, saving the company and Musk from otherwise certain bankruptcy. Griffin, in a Trump administration position, would later award Musk a contract for the military use of Starlink satellites as well.
I think the main things SpaceX has brought to spaceflight is the lean manufacturing and lean development model, and related to that the risk acceptance to even attempt propulsive landing and the type of reusability Falcon has achieved. All of which could have been done by public institutions as well, but weren’t because the Soviet institutions were gutted after the coup and the US has only ever done spaceflight as a MIC affiliated public-private for-profit partnership.
Yeah for sure, almost all of the US’ most impressive accomplishments were state funded. Privatize the profits, socialize the costs.
I’m convinced that the Falcon rockets are so success (in part) because Musk was too busy fucking around with Tesla, Starship, etc. to fuck around with the Falcons.
new grift alert! buy more lockheed martin stocks everyone, because those will likely reach the moon before any american rocket does.
They are going to use this as an excuse to just throw more money at Musk and Bezos and then that money will just disappear.
We might start by passing a budget, just a thought!:-P
Spaceships don’t grow on trees you know!:-D
Who do you think you’re addressing when you say “we”?
He’s using the royal “We!” He’s a Monarchist! Get him!
why? is something special there that we have to get to first?
I understand why we should go there, just not why being first matters so much. we’ve already been there, so, it’s not like it’s really the first time.
Depend for whom. For US it’s a dick measuring contest. The fact they stopped back then and then proceeded to forgot the rocket science is a clear indicator of it.
For China, country that can plan for decades ahead, it’s logical scientific endeavour - Moon is the closest stellar body and its exploration, even if completely worthless otherwise, is very important step in developing space technology. And as they said they aren’t racing, since USA motives are so clearly not even competing in the same meaning.
OK, I didn’t make my comment absent of thinking what you just explained, and I get that China thinks this and that the US is being gamed into thinking this, too, but again I ask what is the realistic end game of this? Is it all political Brinksmanship? Because the realistic goal of this is kind of stupid. I mean you see this right?
This is silly. Isn’t it? Am I wrong with this? 
I’m not trying to waste your time here, and I’m just trying to figure out if this is more than just a bunch of dick waving.
I think you answered my question. Thank you for your time.
I’m just trying to figure out if this is more than just a bunch of dick waving.
probably not tbh. they dont even have the industry to get there anymore, fiscalisation destroyed efficient planning in the us, its all for profit now.
We left our phone up there and if we don’t go get it China will find it and read our embarrassing texts out loud at lunch
Beijing can see my furry batch. I’m proud I don’t shave. They can also read my sad text that I am struggling with losing weight. I’m sure Pooh bear will be riveted with that thrilling journey. 
he3 maybe for fusion but that would require some long term planning that the west would never do and it’s not concentrated anywhere it’s trapped in crystals mostly on the far side
concentrations of water ice for rocket fuel. there’s also a few primo spots in craters that would allow nearly 24/7 solar power and also have water ice in shadows under the regolith
i could see china planning for space industrialization way down the line and the U.S. haphazardly chasing behind them throwing dumb money and elon at it
No, I get that. But it’s not anything they could realistically mine now, nor is it anything we don’t know is there too. They’re just going there to say, “hey we’re in the moon!” I say, good for them. So, what is the realistic point of landing a lunar lander there? Is it just a publicity stunt? Are they just trolling us? And what is the usefulness of that?
I guess it’s just a propaganda stunt, and I guess I understand that from a Chinese perspective. 
It’s for shovelling public money into the hands of a few useless corporations, like everything the US does.
US is setting itself up for another massive L I see. Framing this in term of US having to beat China to the moon will only make it more humiliating when that doesn’t happen.
Love to stake my national pride on something I have a real chance of losing, for no reason.
Like, the propaganda notion that the US “won the space race” is so deeply ingrained in western, or even worldwide liberal historical understanding that it’s basically unassailable. So why would you put it up for grabs again?? Just declining empire things I guess.
If China does beat them to the moon this time, the US will just insist it “doesn’t count” because “we got there first anyway.” There isn’t as much danger to their national pride from losing this as you might think, Americans are masters of moving the goalposts.
Haha right, there’s zero benefit for US to play this up as a new space race. They could’ve framed it as China catching up to what US did decades ago, but clearly there’s just too much insecurity at play here.
Lmao with what money?
MIC money printer go brr.
The rest of what little money ‘the poors’ have left.
If they tried to get there again, I hope they didn’t neglected to put toilet facilities onto their spacecraft this time.
Lmao this one is so good
this is just tacit admission that the original one never happened
I’m sorry dude you can’t just go to white castle, and then not be able to go to white castle for 80 years and then claim you’ve always had white castle
at some point people are gonna ask some questions! like why didn’t you bring me back sliders!They did bring back sliders… they were freely distributed to the scientific community across the world including the Soviet Union.
Do you really think that the Soviet Union was not tracking the entire Apollo process? The US used the same process of verification that the Soviets did with Gagarin in putting a transponder on the moon that would bounce back any signals shot at it. Guess what the Soviets did? Test to see if the transponder was actually were NASA said it was, and wow! It was.
The Moon Landing conspiracies have to be some of the dumbest by far. Do you really think the Soviet Union would have sat on its hands and let the US get away with what would be one of the biggest lies in human history? Do you think they didn’t have spies in NASA?
Chinese probes themselves have taken pictures of the Apollo landing sites. Don’t make yourself look like a fool.
I LOVE SPACE.
Do not let me into any sort of socialist leadership position because massive portions of the budget would be mysteriously relocated to space related scientific endeavors.
shhh it doesn’t matter
it’s been memoryholed now. it never happend
Do you happen to know where the Chinese photos can be viewed?
Huh? The US was already going to withdraw from Vietnam, and everyone knew it. They were losing to many men, to much money, and it was wildly unpopular and unsustainable. The Soviet Union would have never traded one of the greatest chances in world history to humiliate the United States for a Vietnam withdrawal that was already happening.
Why would China agree to lie with the US? You’re telling me you got France, the EU, the Soviet Union, China, Japan, India, South Korea, and dozens of massive corporations and organizations to agree to lie together?
The landings happened. There are to many variables for this conspiracy to work. It is not possible.
They are not publicly viewable sadly, as the technology and camera used by the Chinese probe/lander is still classified. However the scientists and Chinese space agency explicitly stated that they found evidence of all previous Apollo landings.
https://english.cas.cn/newsroom/archive/china_archive/cn2012/201202/t20120207_81106.shtml
However pictures from India’s Chandrayaan 2 lander of the Apollo Eagle landing are public and can be viewed with a Google search.
Further, I checked the references and it all seems to check out. The Wikipedia page for 3rd party evidence is very thorough.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings
I did find the Chandrayaan 2 photo, comrade. There certainly is an… object there:
The problem I have with photos like these is there just isn’t enough resolution to make a positive ID. There is a craft there, yes, but crafts (as well as “traces” of landings that the Chinese scientist mentions) are still consistent with the hypothesis that NASA sent an unmanned, one-way probe containing a retrofelector and a radio repeater.
Did the unmanned probe drive around buggies all by itself? Leave a little bit of garbage here and there?
That is not a hypothesis. It is a conspiracy that is talking out of its ass.
Again, I am not sure if you can read Russian, but the Soviet space agency fully tracked the entire Apollo process from start to finish. They even had military units in the area of the astronaut touchdown. They followed it from start to finish, so where did NASA get the chance to sneak in astronauts during the process?
Please stop. This is one of the stupidest conspiracies there is along with flat earth, and people who genuinely believe it are beyond stupid. I would also like to laugh at the US for something, but this isn’t it.
Does this image from the Japanese flyover do anything for you? It’s a higher resolution and shows that those “object” perfectly line up with where they were set up by the astronauts and filmed, Siri the angles, distances, and directions all being correct. This is several hundred meters from the landing site they the astronauts traveled to.
An unmanned probe doesn’t set up a bunch of scientific equipment by itself several hundred meters away from the landing zone.
Actual landing zone better resolution.
I remember Fidel Castro comparing USA to USSR in 1961: USSR did space travel, USA did mercenary invasion.
“Instead of actually putting money into feeding and housing our citizens, we are instead going to focus on sending people to a floating, barren rock in space once more.”
i yearn for a red flag of labor on the moon
China should build a giant neon hammer with a solar powered lithium battery up there, so that on a crescent moon the night sky lights up with a hammer and sickle.
