A pirated car would just be a more free way to access the $10k/yr pay wall you live your life behind. Car-dominant infrastructure is vendor lock in.
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It’s kinda depressing to see bunch of people who support the subscription model in my post comments for something that you already paid & own
As they pointed out in your original post, it’s not, “the subscription model…for something that you already paid & own.” This isn’t subscription seat warmers, it’s paying for an additional service outside the car. You can argue it’s too expensive, but without their internet connection and servers, these features wouldn’t be possible.
Remote start has been around for well over a decade and did not require internet or a subscription. If you just subscribe and use the feature then clearly the neccesary equipment for remote start is already installed and you paid for that equipment regardless if you use the subscription service.
@FireRetardant @n2burns Remote start can mean different things. I’d hope a subscription based one was via a server and works where normal direct RF fobs wouldn’t (like from another country).
If it is just direct RF based remote start that shouldn’t be a subscription.
Why would anyone need to start a car from another country?
“You wouldn’t download a car?”
Don’t worry there will be some vulnerability with the CPU that they wouldn’t be able to patch out fully.
you’re paying for a backend service and a constant internet connection for your car here though, not for some client side feature that can be easily unlocked
If i can put my own sim card in why not?
- they’re not using a conventional network
- they still have to pay for the backend infrastructure
- my point is that this is not a client side feature, so it can’t be unlocked by some cpu vulnerability. This is a case in which a subscription service DOES make sense
I plan on running my 2016 Mazda until the frame is rusted through
So, until 2017?
Vote with your wallet.
I remember back in the old days when remote start was a thing you paid someone to install in your car and, in those days, “remote climate” was remote start plus remembering to set it on high before your got out.
Subscriptions are dumb, you should be able to buy these outright, but there are people who can’t so 🤷🏻♀️
Edit: but for remote lock and alarm, those have been around for ages. That should come standard.
I mean some people figured out how to crack a tesla to enable all the features including the secret “Elon” mode so.
Everything is crackable, I bet the software in the car is as cheaply made as everything else
Worse, generally. Car manufacturers are completely awful with privacy and also very bad at security.
I think a major reason for these models is that the more that the car becomes a computing device, the more that it’ll require regular patches and optimizations. Being connected to the servers and using services that route through it lets them gather usage data, offer some extra features that can functiom from anywhere, and update security and functionality (which would possibly involve full time developers I suppose).
It does seem greedy (way overpriced), but this isn’t the same as disabling hardware that you need to sub to activate (a la seat warmers). Plus it’s all still pretty cutting edge tech atm and I usually tell people that means you’re choosing to fund its early development (and being a beta tester) over using more standard and tested products.
Outside of self driving cars there isn’t a reason cars should become a computing device though.
If you want to end a car centric infrastructure in favor of bikes or velomobiles you would still want self driving cars that you only use for special tasks. Robotaxies or robo busses. Then it makes sense to not own a car.
@LarmyOfLone @BR4 Safety aids can involve plenty of computing and getting those constantly improved can aid in keeping people alive.
So there is some good reason to go that way. (But that may not be what is driving car companies to do it)
I think e-cars are more computer-like as they’ll prioritize optimizing as much of the system as possible to maximize battery mileage; performance/riding experience as a live service; DRM; probably pretty hackable.
Driverless autonomy could also potentially turn pedestrian cars into part of the public transport system if people can have their idle cars work like taxis (not sure if this would involve things like smart contracts), but unfortunately it seems like the actual last piece of the puzzle that car companies aren’t gonna crack any time soon.
These are things that need a subscription, though… These are remote features that require internet connectivity and application serving. Things that don’t just come with a one-time fee. These are actual services being provided by Kia or Hyundai. This isn’t the same as putting a hardware feature of your car behind an arbitrary pay wall.
Then I should be able to self-host these softwares.
Hell yeah! Fuck car dependent infrastructure!
I think a lot of this conversation boils down to someone needing to make an ESP32 device that sits in your OBD port and can be addressed directly for those who have a car that can connect to your home WiFi. I feel like one of those already exists…
