I literally do blame the Democrats for Trump, and if you don’t, you weren’t paying attention.

Plenty of us were critiquing Clinton’s campaign on those merits and were consistently talked down to in shocker the same way we’re being talked down to now. Shocker, she lost. I remember saying a few weeks before the election “We’re about to get Brexited.” I put my vote down for Clinton, because Trump is fucking insane, and that was clear before he was President. It was clear in the fucking 1980’s.

Being able to critique our leaders is supposed to be what is the difference between us and conservative voters. They’re the cult who unquestioningly believes all the bullshit that comes out of Trump’s mouth and diapers. I find it weird that people think we should be more like them in regards to our leaders like that would be a good thing.

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    And in a two party system there is only one type of people campaigning against them.

    You literally just did it again! You can try to hide behind flowery description all you want, but in the end, the attitude is “if you’re not with us, you’re against us.”

    Just stop, this is sad. Admit to yourself that that’s how you feel and go have a beer something for fucks sake.

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      No, stop it. You need to try to keep track of more than two things at once or we’re not gonna get anywhere.

      Three groups:

      The fascists
      The guys the fascists run against
      The third group of people who shut up

      And that’s only during the campaign.

      Alright? Following me there? The number three? This is important, it’s not two, it’s three.

      So in a two party system there is only one type of people campaiging against the Democrats. The people who want the Republicans to win. That’s all you’re doing if you’re actively campaigning against them. No other options. Nothing else that can happen.

      And you can choose to be neither.

      The fact that you’re not even conceptualizing the notion of not actively involving yourself in the argument is kinda shocking. I don’t know if it speaks to polarization, entitlement or what, but… this is a hell of a conversation.

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        The fact that you don’t see your position as coercive and controlling, I don’t know what to say, my man. You’re literally telling me I can’t talk about things I have valid concerns with. You used the term “shut up” which is a pretty unkind way to put it, no less. Can you admit to yourself you’re being an aggressive asshole who wants to control when other people can talk and what they can say, and that this is a controlling attitude, or are you going to keep spinning in circles to justify a shitty opinion?

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          I am telling you maybe wait until it doesn’t risk the rise of fascism. If you can hold it in a few more months.

          Is this one of those where telling people to wear masks is an attack on their liberties? I lose track.

          Look, you can obviously say whatever you want, and I obviously can’t stop you, but I don’t know what you’re trying to achieve, and I’m increasingly doubtful that you do, either, honestly. You either want fascists in power or you don’t. And if you don’t then it’s an absolutely astounding position to be saying that somehow venting your opinion on social media takes precedence over that goal.

          And yet here we are. As always, the left is more concerned with their purity tests and their feelings of disappointment than with achieving any tangible improvement. I should be used to it by now, because man, it happens all the time. But nope, unlike what the OP suggested I’m not getting over it. At all.