‘Andrew Tate is a symptom, not the problem’: why young men are turning against feminism
www.theguardian.com
Teachers describe a deterioration in behaviour and attitudes that has proved to be fertile terrain for misogynistic influencers

Despite the triggering headline, this is a pretty good article that talks about how younger men are falling for this horseshit

  • Track_Shovel@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
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    8 months ago

    No, my point is to stop being an asshole, we need to want to change, and the way we do that is through self-reflection and identifying where we need to change.

    If our vision of who we want to be and who we actually are don’t align we need to start self improvement and punching items off the list we’ve created.

    • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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      8 months ago

      No, my point is to stop being an asshole,

      That is what I’m saying - and that is not how it works. We need first to help people to not become assholes in the first place and second help people change. Why? If nothing else for pure selfish reason.

      • Track_Shovel@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
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        8 months ago

        Thanks for the clarification; I actually missed what you meant, and I agree with you

        I don’t know how we stop them in the first place though. You have to get everyone to buy into a concerted approach to make a systemic change.

        I’m legit curious if you’ve got ideas on how to get there. How do you convince 1B dudes to not listen to Tate’s messaging, for instance.

        • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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          8 months ago

          You need to create media tailored to them but with progressive message. There is no one size fits them all approach and I would say no receipy. In general it has to be an artist who understands their life experience rather well and has the skills to make content they will enjoy. People like Contrapoints and Hasan definitely have some success with reaching that audience.

          • AtmaJnana@lemmy.world
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            8 months ago

            Unfortunately, the situation is worse than that. Progressives need more than just better content. There is a ton of negative messaging about males coming from the left. Much of it well-deserved, of course, but if you take a young man and give him a choice between a group that treats him as the villain and another group that treats him as the hero… Which is he likely to gravitate towards?

            We need a third way, not just more of the same.

            • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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              8 months ago

              There is a ton of negative messaging about males coming from the left.

              I would disagree. There are sure some, but I would say most comes from misrepresentation through the right or mainstream media. I gave even two examples of creators targeting young male audience in quite different ways.

              if you take a young man and give him a choice between a group that treats him as the villain

              Again I disagree that feminism treats man as the villain. On most fundamental level it’s critique of a system not individuals to beginn with. While at the same time I give you that there are feminist groups that are fundamentally misandrist, that is not the case for the movement as a whole and I would even argue not the case for the majority of people who see themselves as feminist.

              • AtmaJnana@lemmy.world
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                8 months ago

                I disagree that feminism treats man as the villain.

                Okay. I never said it did. I was writing about progressive culture more broadly.

                • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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                  8 months ago

                  Progressive culture as a whole treats man as the villain? (Just to make sure I got your point correct this time).