No, Putin didn’t ask him to do that. Totally just an idea he has for some reason.
The United States has maintained longstanding support to NATO. Most recently, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, enacted on December 22, 2023, prohibits the President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-third Senate super-majority or an act of Congress.[71] This bill was a response to Donald Trump’s repeated expressions of interest in withdrawing from the organization.[72][73]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_NATO#United_States
That link also claims the Greens want out of NATO, so I guess they see eye-to-eye with Trump on that one? Honestly, it makes me less likely to support the Greens now that I know that.
The Green Party in the US is just an extension of the Kremlin aimed at peeling votes away from Democrats in key races.
Don’t worry it’s the same in Europe
What are you talking about? Every “green” party I know in Europe is very much against the war in Ukraine and holds Russia responsible. They are about as anti Russia as it gets. Green parties are also very much pro Europe, they want a stronger Europe with more members and cooperation in the EU. Green parties are either center-left or totally left leaning. Green parties usually get a big chunk of votes, not only marginal like in the US.
Russia is heavily funding and supporting the right and far right parties, who are almost all against a unified Europe. Russia is doing their best to break up the EU with campaigns of misinformation, bots, advertising and direct/indirect funding of right wing political parties.
And Russia is succeeding as well with the far right on the rise all over Europe. They already got Brexit through against all odds and are now working on breaking up the rest. In Germany the rise of the right is still fresh, so there is a lot of resistance. But other countries are much less resistant.
Thanks for the info. I admit my experience was based on the Italian greens who are irrelevant and generally left leaning, which in Italy means Russophile like anything left of the dems, and on what I know of the German greens, which is that they lobbied for getting rid of clean energy and ramping up the use of coal / gas / petrol, all Russian imports.
Russia is heavily funding and supporting the right and far right parties
Welcome to the new warfare that caught the west totally off-guard. The “poorly educated” were the first casualties and have been recycled into the Russian forces.
I’m genuinely curious if there is no way to stop all/most of these influence & astroturf ops, will we just see a walled off internet with hefty firewalls or content moderation at national ‘borders’? It’d be a huge upheaval to the internet, but otherwise we’re stuck trying for a 100% defense against state cyber attacks
My personal take here is that playing defense is a losing game and that we really need to kick off another 1968 movement. A counter culture that is infecting and firmly against Russia and conservatives.
No it’s not, not at all.
I don’t know about other European countries, but Germany’s greens have kept a relatively tidy ship compared to other parties.
Which is why Russia is puppeteering Germany’s far-right to view them as a kind of combined enemy, you often hear them use the term “Linksgrunversifft” / “left-green-soiled” towards people who hold the wrong opinions.
Didn’t they push a similar joined term in America 2016? I remember encountering the words “liberal elite” a lot, probably an attempt to redirect the resentment against the uppity conservative establishment towards liberals instead. I guess it worked.
The Greens haven’t been the greens since Nader.
Does that apply just for 2024?
Good question and I do not know. And my searching isn’t coming up with a good answer either.
I believe it’s forever, unless found unconstitutional or congress changes and presses a replacement.
The 2024 part of the Bill name is just so you know which fiscal bill it is.
Oh boy, they think Ukraine should also negotiate with Putin under a cease fire: https://www.gp.org/proposal_1155_gpus_calls_for_ceasefire_to_end_ukraine_war
But apparently they advocate pacifist ideas. No real foundation in reality.
Pretty hard for me to see a difference between a pacifist and a tankie
Is this irony? oO
Which greens? The Scottish greens?
Yes. The Scottish Greens. That’s definitely for sure who I was talking about.
Lots of greens around in different countries.
And which country do you think I might have been talking about?
Didn’t know. That’s why I asked.
Well… there’s two possible ways you could have found out for yourself-
- You could have just clicked the link and saw which Green Party I was talking about.
- You could have read your own headline and figured it out.
I read the link and there are references to greens in several countries. And I suppose I could have assumed you were talking about the US, but I’ve never heard of a Green Party in the US.
Now I’m sorry I asked. Holy crap.
The US Greens are largely subsidized by Republican funders, and Green presidential candidates have been dinner guests of Putin. The US Greens aren’t an independent environmentalist party but are a GOP stalking horse.
There is no such thing as the “North Atlantic” it is a nonsensical organization, there is no logical reason for the US and Canada to be in a millitary alliance based on the made up polity of the “North Atlantic”, not saying that European countries shouldn’t care about regional defense, but that has nothing to do with the US or Canada. Nato is just an excuse for the US to park it’s nukes and bases in Europe and extend it’s millitary power, no one needs nukes, and people especially don’t need foreign nukes in their country.
ROFL!
You do know that the UK and France have their own nuclear stockpiles, right?
They are not nearly as large or as capable as what the US has though
They have more than enough to wipe out humanity. What else do they need?
If it was that simple, the US would have stopped producing missiles and warheads a long time ago
The U.S. hasn’t produced a new nuclear weapon since 1989 and has fewer nuclear weapons now than any time since 1968.
https://www.acq.osd.mil/ncbdp/nm/NMHB2020rev/chapters/chapter4.html
That’s misleading at best. W76-2 began production a few years ago. B61-12 recently began production with B61-13 on the way. The current US stockpile may be down from its cold war height in bare numbers, but that’s not the point. The US is always improving its nuclear technology and refitting, upgrading, or re-manufacturing its existing stockpile. Clearly “wiping out humanity” is not enough.
Sick delectable piece of trash.
detestable?
You heard the man. Don’t kink shame
Lmao
I believe there is now a law that says that a President can’t pull out of NATO. Only Congress can make that call.
49-52 Republican Senators (We will do exactly as Trump wants, no questions)
Needs 2/3rds Senate super majority to leave NATO
Every human has a price.
It requires approval of the US congress.
Implying checks and balances will apply to “only 1 day” dictator Don.
Don’t look now but they give him pretty much everything he wants.
They need to get past the Senate filibuster.
But the real problem is a Commander in Chief who doesn’t want to fulfill treaty obligations. Congress doesn’t have a mechanism to force that, just impeachment which we’ve seen fail already. So while we can’t officially leave, we aren’t going to be participating under him either.
So what happens if he just says not to go help NATO if article 5 is invoked (if that’s the one where a member is attacked)? Doing nothing seems more up his alley anyways, pulling out requires more work so he’ll probably just say no if it’s needed.
I got no idea if the US armed forces can deploy without the president’s approval in some way or if Trump says no go then it’s completely off. Been wondering as a NATO neighbor who’s country he called a security threat his first term.
Sure, with Kaine’s and Rubio’s bill from December, it now requires Senate approval. But all Trump really needs to do is to say that the US won’t help its allies, which is what he’s doing. And since NATO is based on deterrence, he’s effective undermining trust in NATO as an alliance. The winners are Russia and China.
From what I understand, Trump alone could not make the US leave NATO. And despite how despicable some Republicans are, I think he’s made enough enemies within his own party to never see that actually happen.
But remember folks! There’s a lot of (disillusioned) people here that would like everyone to know that Trump and Biden are exactly the same!
No. Just no. We pressure Biden because we want him to be better. We believe he can be. Trump is a lost cause who should be in prison for attempting a coup.
No, you do it because you’re a weaksauce milquetoast coward who goes after the weaker party in a confrontation because you care more about avoiding conflict than you do about what’s right.
And you’re alienating all of the pro-Palestine people who want a third party, and literally anyone else who wants literally anyone else in office other than those two cretins.
It won’t kill you to support something different instead of being a cowardly little weasel for once in your life, I promise you.
Bruh you okay?
Are you listening at all or are you just looking for a cheap gotcha moment?
Instead of advocating for a third party that can possibly offer us something better, all they have to offer is more of the same or a concentration camp, and neither choice is acceptable.
Hooray! My 3rd party candidate got 9% of the vote! It shows that there is a chance for a 3rd party in the US, assuming democracy survives 4 more years under Republican/Trump executive control.
Then all of you find a third party and vote for them instead of Biden. Force the change you want to see in thr world. Until then, get out of my face.
Have you tried coordinating 5 people for a dinner party? Imagine trying to get 75 million people to all agree to switch to one of various third parties?
Biden got the most votes of any president in history. Trump is ranked number two. It is simply a risk we cannot take at this time. If you vote 3rd party in 2024, you are betting your rights, women’s rights, non-Christians rights, LGBTQ rights, worker’s rights, and the possiblity of ever having free and fair elections on the most hazy of fevered pipe dreams. Anyone who does this a fucking moron. You’re out here bitching about how conservative Biden is, when christofascist terrorists have a gun pressed into the back of your head. You can feel morally superior in your ghetto I guess.
Precisely three third party candidates have won any EC votes in the last century: George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and Robert La Follete. Follete won Wisconsin, and the other two unsurprising only won states in the deep south.
The likely “best case” scenario would be something like the 1912 election, which was essentially a three way race between former Republican president Teddy Roosevelt running third party against the incumbent Republican Taft, and the Democratic challenger, Willson.
Willson won 41.8% of the popular vote, and 81% of of EC vote. Taft got 23% of the vote, and managed to carry Vermont and Utah. Roosevelt got 27% of the vote, and carried 6 states. Eugene Debs didn’t win a single state with his 6% of the vote - and its worth noting that the last time a third party candidate did as well as Debs was Perot, back in 96.
A majority of the country voted for a current or former Republican president, yet the election was a land slide for the Democrat in the EC.
Because of the structure of the EC, third parties are either irrelevant protest votes (such as the south protest voting for segregationists) or they blow up in your face. Why would this time be different?
Edit:
One significant problem with a pro-Palestinian third party revolt against Biden is that Democratic support for Palestinians isn’t anywhere near high enough for a universal revolt against Biden on that issue. It’d just be begging for a repeat of 1912.
Netanyahu’s poll numbers are pretty rock bottom among Democrats, but a majority of older Democrats see Israel as a legitimate state with an unfortunately far right current government that’s going too far in their current war against a terrorist organization. They’re not looking for a free Palestine that stretches from the river to the sea.
three paragraphs and yet you didn’t say anything lol
absolutely no one has ever legitimately argued that. the point is that both choices suck and we get no say in it
Calling Biden “The Left” is just disingenuous. He’s a centrist liberal who ignores the withered left wing of his own party.
Welcome to missing the point, population: you.
both choices suck
What puerile nonsense.
Trump already demonstrated that he was a complete disaster and Russian asset, and I hate linking to the evil empire, but:
He really is being held to a totally different standard by the media and the cut off their nose to spite their face far left.
You know who also wasn’t in NATO? Ukraine.
Bruh, if Trump wins and we pull out of Nato, Russia won’t even have to invade us. Trump will give Putin a fist bump and a welcome basket when he arrives off the plane.
That’s when the Civil War would break out. Literal gun fights in the streets if Putin stepped foot into the US.
Sure lol
For those that want to break everything, this is a feature, not a bug. The magats would rather send the world into the toilet rather than not be able to “own the libs” (and women, and POC, and LGBTQ and immigrants, and anyone with one iota more education than them, etc.).
Good, then NATO can charge the US with war crimes since they will no longer be an ally. Get fucked
I would gladly watch all of our politicians get charged with war crimes. I can only dream.
Thanks for welcoming me to your town Mayor Winky.
No he won’t.
He made this exact same campaign promise back in 2016 and he didn’t pull the US out of NATO when he became president.
The only thing he did was to call out the majority of member countries that weren’t paying their agreed about share, causing (primarily) the US to make up the difference.
I consider this campaign fundamentally different than his first.
First and foremost - he is a grifter and conman at the end of a con with enemies on all sides. This is a desperate man. If elected his goal is to first wipe his slate clean via a pardon - and then will be to retain power thereafter.
To achieve these goals he will do anything. What makes this terrifying is he genuinely believes himself to be the smartest person in the room. He is a shortsighted idiot that is playing chess with blinders on while the rest of the world is playing 4d chess.
Other nations fears of another term with that man are not unfounded.
Nothing like observing the stakes of a literal world war starting if a retard wins the ballot.
Remember all their bullshit Russian-esque narratives about how Hillary was going to start WWIII?
Removed, rule 6, 24 hour ban.
No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
found the pro trump moderator.
Nope, “retard” is not allowed to be directed at anyone.
Oh, even worse, you’re a virtue signalling mod.
Trump will do whatever is in his power to do, legal or not. As long as Putin tells him he is in the tough guy maffia club, ensuring him that he is invincible.
