Obtaining a barber license means that you have completed a minimum of 1,250 hours of instruction in barbering education within a period of at least 9 months or completed 1,250 hours of training. It takes 1,250 to 2,000 hours to be a cosmologist. Police in Germany get 2.5 years of training, and in Finland, police education takes three years to complete. Police in the USA get 750 hours.
cosmologist
uh… this is why we didn’t approve of the word “cosmetology”. It takes more than 2000h to be a publishing cosmologist/astronomer.
Plus, it’s one of the few jobs that will disqualify you for being too smart.
USA intentionally dumbs down its people.
Exactly. The PD will also reject applicants if they are too smart.
When I first heard about it, I could not believe it. Fair enough there is shortages of police so they want recruitment process to hasten. But this is at the expense of public safety as there are too many trigger-happy police. Which is counter to “protect and serve” motto!
That’s nuts
Thank you.
I’m sorry, this is fucked up and I shouldn’t be laughing, but you really can’t make this shit up
What’s more, in his body cam footage you can clearly see the acorn fall into frame and strike the roof of his car. When asked if this was the sound he heard, Hernandez had this to tell investigators:
“I’m not gonna say no, because I mean that’s, but what I, [10 second pause in speaking] what I heard [3 second pause in speaking] sounded almost like [12 second pause in speaking] what I heard sounded what I think would be louder than an acorn hitting the roof of the car, but there’s obviously an acorn hitting the roof of the car.”
Thanks for that. You really captured it
So has he been tested for drugs already?
Guy served two tours overseas.
I think it’s kinda fucked up to laugh at what clearly seems like a PTSD attack. He shouldn’t be a cop, and it’s a good thing he resigned, but you shouldn’t mock someone for this. Even if it’s super easy to.
Yeah I know, taken out of context it’s really funny but it’s not when you consider the circumstances.
I hope he actually resigned and found a safer job instead of just being moved to another department and that the mental health checks for cops get better, but I’m not holding my breath for the second one.
“Man killed people for a living for years so we gave him a pistol and let him corral the civilians around!” Making fun of it and shaming this dumbass system is the only hope of it ever changing
The story of piggie little and his panic attack.
c/nottheonion
We as a society have really dropped the ball on the low IQ population among us. We need more options that don’t include giving them guns. We can give them badges if they want - and whatever quasi military rank they prefer without giving them the means to kill us.
You mean dropped the acorn…
Reminder that Uvalde is only the most famous example of cops being cowards.
From now on when I feel stupid I will make sure to remember I’m not this level of stupid…
If a random loud bang from an acorn falling nearby is enough to get someone to behave like this, they really should not be walking around with a gun. This is completely insane and unhinged behavior.
The good news is, the guy did resign. So I guess he agrees.
Coming soon to a police department near you!
or a school ‘safety officer’
Or he resigned to just join a police force one county over.
What was he shooting at? This man just blindly ptied his gun at something or someone he couldnt see!
He was shooting at the unarmed suspect cuffed and trapped in the back of the police car.
Read the story.
Kinda sounds like PTSD or anxiety or something.
That doesn’t make it ok. Just ml saying police need more support and supervision.
theres no reason for most officers to be lethally armed their entire shift.
they are trained the exact opposite; be afraid of everything and empty the clip. ask questions later.
this cop behaved as he was trained
From the body cam footage it was quite a soft bang
I want to stress that I am in no-way attempting to excuse this cop, nor am I suggesting that there is any reasonable way to confuse the sound of an acorn with the sound of a gunshot. Even if there were, there is no justification for blindly “returning fire” in the general direction of the noise. That is so batshit crazy a scenario that it is completely irredeemable. This cop needs to be in prison.
That being said, I do want to comment on the capabilities of recording and playback. They completely lack the dynamic range necessary to make any sort of reasonable judgment on the intensity of the “bang”. What we hear in the video and what the officer heard in real life are two completely different things.
I have heard black walnuts (golf ball to tennis ball sized outer shell) hitting vehicles at close range. While they certainly can’t be reasonably confused with a gunshot, they are startlingly loud.
Again, I want to stress: completely unreasonable that an acorn hitting the cruiser could be confused for a gunshot, and criminally stupid to fire in the general direction of the noise.
I appreciate your dedication to science (I’m still going to call you a nerd)
You can call me anything you want, so long as it’s not an apologist for this criminal cop.
In that case I’m going to call you Shirley
Fun fact: ‘police officer’ isn’t even in the top 10 most dangerous professions in the US. It’s solidly beat by things like garbage collector, delivery driver, landscaper, and maintenance worker. None of those professions typically carry weapons on the job.
Lots of police officers were former bullies with an inferiority complex. Some are wusses who only feel powerful because they’re carrying a deadly weapon.
Another fun fact: police in several other western countries don’t carry deadly weapons and yet are able to do their jobs just fine.
American police are trained to think everything and everyone is against them, through programs like David Grossman’s Killology course. Weird how a program designed to teach recruits to kill without empathy would result in people killing without empathy.
Elsewhere, police are learning de-escalation tactics, but police in the US are learning escalation.
It’s absurd, and leads scared, trigger-happy morons shooting at acorns.
That cop was way to squirrelly for the job.
Headline is kind of funny, but I wanted to know what he shot at
In body cam footage shared across social media, the officer was seen jumping to the ground and shouted “shots fired” after the acorn strikes the roof of his car. He then turned and emptied every bullet from his gun, each aimed squarely at his squad car.
Funny again…
While Hernandez fired on the car, Marquis Jackson, who was accused of stealing his girlfriend’s car, was in the back of the police cruiser. Officers had searched, handcuffed and loaded the accused into the back of the police car and, despite being cuffed, it was Jackson that the officer thought was shooting at him.
Nope, he was trying to kill someone handcuffed in the back of his squad car and had already been searched for weapons.
Cop should at least be facing reckless endangerment, if not attempted murder.
He also yelled “I’m hit” while unloading on his own vehicle.
“It hit my vest” and “I feel weird”. Them be signs that his fat ass has coronary artery disease. Fucking Okaloosa County. Good riddance. Don’t miss it.
Is he trying to use the South Park ‘He’s coming right for us’ defense?
Aren’t they all?
Same as when they think they’re doing on fentanyl…
After hearing the sound of the acorn, the deputy reported that he also felt a “tingliness” all along the side of his body. He then said his “legs just give out” and he fell to the ground, assuming that he had been seriously injured by something.
Because of this, the video also showed Hernandez complaining about feeling “weird” and shouting to his colleague that he’s been hit. It’s all very dramatic.
Cops are constantly terrified because of their training, so they panic and mistake a panic attack for something else.
Being a cop sucks so much (because of their own leadership and culture) that good qualified people do t want to be a cop. So we end up with these fragile snowflakes that shouldn’t be allowed to carry at all. Let alone be a cop
My goodness what a fucking snowflake. Maybe you shouldn’t be in the profession if you’re “scared shitless” 99% of the time. But we all know that’s a cover for them. They love killing people.
These idiots are so convinced that merely touching fentanyl will make them collapse that it actually happens to them.
If fentanyl was that strong, people would buy one bag and it would last for like a year.
Yeah… I am sure there are some idiots who believe in the horrors of fentanyl.
The reality is it is a catch all to excuse all the other drugs in their systems. If someone notices a cop is clearly amped up on amphetamines then the reality is that someone in the tri-state area had a single particle of fentanyl on them and THAT is why the cop who just killed four people is alternating between growling and crying while looking even sweatier than alex jones.
Does fentanyl amp you up? I would think it would make you super mellow.
Fentanyl does whatever you want it to baby. Just so long as that involves beating your wife and kids when there isn’t a black kid nearby.
Fentanyl itself is an opiod so it is a downer. But fentanyl, as reported by the media and embraced by cops, is a magic wonderdrug where a single particle in a hundred mile radius will instantly infect every cop through enough PPE that they could survive a zombie infestation and make them do whatever crazy shit they got caught doing.
Just so we’re clear, those cops were tested after that ordeal and had absolutely zero fentanyl in their system.
And the tingling he felt was just piss running down his leg.
Imagine a drug you only had to touch. You’d never run out!
What? I always ran out of LSD and all you have to do is touch it because it’s skin permeable.
True, but fentanyl is generally not. They do make fentanyl patches, but casual exposure, like a cop touching a tiny bit of fentanyl, will not result in fentanyl being absorbed.
I know this, but I was responding to the idea that a drug you could touch and get high from would somehow last forever.
That’s just because you don’t know how to make it, and they are selling it to you a few drops at a time. I believe the ingredients are actually pretty cheap. Chemistry students make it.
Yeah, right. I don’t believe you. HOW would they do that? What steps could they possibly take!? What ingredients would they need and where would they even get them!?
Sell a man some LSD and he trips for a day. Teach a man to make LSD and he trips for a lifetime!
If it’s wet
Not quite. Drugs that can be absorbed through the skin, well, they get absorbed.
It’s not an infinite drugs glitch, just like powdered Fentanyl can’t be absorbed through the skin.
good people get fired as cops because they hesitate to shoot unarmed people and won’t lie for officers doing questionable things.
…fragile snowflakes that shouldn’t be allowed to carry at all.
Yeah but deputy tacticool has holo sights. Not wasted on him at all.
Poor Durango.
Training? What training?
Keep in mind, this is Florida. It is perfectly legal to murder anybody if you can prove that you felt threatened.
Cop should at least be facing reckless endangerment, if not attempted murder.
The review board found his conduct was not reasonable; so, it’ll be up to the prosecutor (which I’m sure in FL is an office eager to go after cops). The other officer, who began shooting after the officer wearing the bodycam in the OP began shooting, was found to have acted reasonably.
Essentially, you can’t think an acorn is a bullet and get away with shooting at a detained and secured civilian. But, if another officer on scene thinks, even unreasonably so, that an acorn is a bullet and starts shooting at a detained and secured civilian, you can too. If this doesn’t make a lot of sense to you, take that as reassurance that your critical thinking remains, at least partially, intact.
Nah, it kind of makes sense for the second guy.
Remember, he’s not getting triggered by the acorn, he’s reacting to his coworker yelling that they’ve been shot and actual gunfire. That’s a justified reason to pull out your weapon IMO
Granted, he should’ve tried to take control of the situation and de-escalate so he could “save” his panicked coworker, but that kind of calmness “under fire” would take actual training
It does mean that the assisting officers aren’t required to actually confirm their target, though.
What if this was real. If a 3rd party shot at them. 1st officer fires, blindly assuming it’s the perp in cuffs in the car. 2nd cop shoots and kills perp in car because he saw that’s what his partner was shooting at. When, in this hypothetical scenario, it was really a 3rd party that wasn’t identified yet, which would be the only plausible source of a gun shot anyway since the perp was already searched and cuffed.
That doesn’t make sense to me, but that’s how they’re trained. Ride or die with their comrads. Once the first shot is fired, it’s shoot first and ask questions later for all additional officers.
That’s not good policy. That’s not good for civilians.
Essentially, you can’t think an acorn is a bullet and get away with shooting at a detained and secured civilian. But, if another officer on scene thinks, even unreasonably so, that an acorn is a bullet and starts shooting at a detained and secured civilian, you can too. If this doesn’t make a lot of sense to you, take that as reassurance that your critical thinking remains, at least partially, intact.
IIRC Sympathetic Fire seems to be insta-forgiveness (by other police and the courts) whenever it comes up.
As one example, I think it played a role in the Daniel Shaver case, but it’s been a long time since I read all those details and I really don’t want to dive into that pool of anger and sadness again to verify.
Even if he wasn’t trying to kill Marquis Jackson, he clearly didn’t care if he killed him.
You don’t mag dump like that if you don’t care. He very much was trying to kill him.
this is their training. its SOP to do exactly this.
So they’ve been trained to murder and endanger the public?
Pretty much. Did he have a clean backdrop? Nah. He was in a fucking neighborhood
At an active threat, sure. When the dude’s been searched, handcuffed, and trapped in the back of a car…there’s some personal responsibility, imo.
You do if you’re an idiot and a coward.
Would just be an idiot and a coward trying to kill a man.
… who’s handcuffed in your backseat.
The utter stupidity of cops astounds me daily. One would think I’d be used to it now, and yet …
I am not saying he definitely wasn’t trying to kill Mr. Jackson intentionally. I’m saying that the other possibility is that he’s a stupid coward that empties his clip at his own car because he’s terrified and doesn’t think about and/or care that there’s a person in his car.
Was he intending to kill Mr. Jackson? Maybe. That’s definitely not an unlikely possibility. But I think stupid cowardice where the motive wasn’t murder is also not unlikely because cops are stupid cowards.
I got ya. I’m agreeing that he’s a coward and an idiot, but disagreeing that he might not have been trying to murder a guy. He might not have believed it was murder, because of the idiot part…but the video convinced me he was intentionally trying to kill the unarmed man in the back of his car.
I deal with PTSD vets every day so I understand the snap buuuuut… No one else gets to get away with a slap on the wrist because of their mental illness so fuckem
No where in the article does it mention PTSD.
See I’m like, I don’t even think you could qualify most of the things you would do to this guy as being punishment. Preventing this guy from being a cop forever (pretty unlikely, but could happen), isn’t really a punishment. If he’s discharging his firearm into his own car, he’s obviously just unfit to be an officer and that’s a pretty clear safety concern. If you sent him to prison, that might be more of a “punishment”, but that’s also, you know, what cops do basically their whole careers, is send people to prison, and we still have all the same problems with the prison system as we’ve always had, so, you know, I’m like. I dunno. That doesn’t seem like a clear “win”, to me, both in terms of improving society and in terms of helping him out if he’s mentally ill which, you know, seems to clearly be the case, here.
You could also maybe think, hey, this guy goes to an asylum or something for mental illness, but that kind of has the same problems as sending someone to prison, it’s not usually a helpful system.
I mean. Being in combat and being a cop are two different things.
Maybe this guy was in a shootout and has PTSD, maybe this is the only time he’s ever fired on duty and he’s just a coward who panicked.
During the course of the investigation into the shooting, deputy Herandez resigned from the force.
Oh wow. Good for him. I’m honestly surprised.
Many times cops retire to avoid being investigated and move to a different department.
Yeah. The “having PTSD” part isn’t what should be punished, it’s the “and yet still carrying a gun while putting yourself in a position to have your PTSD triggered like this” part that’s egregious.
Well, Philip Brailsford, the murderer who murdered Daniel Shaver, claimed PTSD for murdering Daniel so he could draw on his pension and retire early. Because he murdered someone and it hurt his fee-fees.
Fuck that.
Indeed fuck that, but I don’t see what it has to do with what I said.
And most of us would still wait for an actual target in a built up area.
Our brave boys in blue, ladies and gentlemen.
There are 22 jobs in the U.S. statistically more dangerous than being a cop.
Cowards. So many of them are cowards.
And the leading cause of injury/fatality for police officers by far: vehicle accidents
Also COVID for a couple of years there as they refused to wear masks in most cases.
Yep, and this is just tracking mortality. You would think, oh hey maybe they look better if you included things like workplace violence…nope. Pretty much 80% of work place violence happens to healthcare workers and social workers.
So pretty much every healthcare worker has experienced more violence in their work than police officers. I’ve had patients take swings at me in my hospital, it’s a fairly natural response to being in pain, on drugs, or disoriented. But just because your occupation has the potential to introduce you to a violent environment, that doesn’t justify your own participation in it.
I’m a very nonviolent and nonconfrontational person, but I once had a boil in a sensitive spot lanced without adequate pain control, and it took all my self control to not FIGHT it. Stone cold sober, knowing it needed to be done, my body physically wanted to fight the doctor to make it stop. It’s nuts to expect someone who’s not completely there for whatever reason to be completely in control of that instinct, but it’s what cops expect people to do.
Cops will taser or shoot you before you can take a swing at them. Healthcare workers and delivery drivers don’t get tasers and guns.
Bullies are always cowards.
That’s why they form a gang, because the only way they can feel strong is if they outnumber you.
That’s why it takes fifteen fucking cops to “deal with” a single homeless person in a public park who isn’t bothering anybody.
If they do that during the day, with enough people around, people will whip out their phones to record the cops and the cops will give up and leave and stop harassing.
If they do it during the evening, and there’s not very many people around, and only one person whips out their phone… The cops will arrest the person who whipped out their phone, too, because they outnumber them.
Looking forward to my next traffic stop so I can mention that crossing guards have a more dangerous job than cops 🫡
Virtually every main cause of death on this list is falling or getting struck by a vehicle.
Yes. A lot of them also involve being killed by the machines they use too. Safety measures can only go so far.
- Small engine mechanics
Fatal injury rate: 15 per 100,000 workers
Total deaths (2018): 8
Salary: $37,840
Most common fatal accidents: Transportation incidents, violence and other injuries by persons or animals
What the absolute fuck?
- Small engine mechanics
Crossing guards being on a list with derrick operators and power linemen is a disturbing commentary on our road infrastructure priorities.
I’m so stealing this!
You missed the most dangerous job: US president.
1/10 of all presidents have been assassinated and 1/5 of presidents died in office
Are the numbers for warlord/dictator even worse?
Presidents Georg, who lives in white house & dies every day, is an outlet adn should not have been counted
Might as well climb K2. 1/4 summit to death rate.
Barbers have a more dangerous job. People are very particular about their hair, and can run out without paying.
One commenter added some critical context to the story:
I actually just read about this, early today. I think two things were involved here, neither of which were mentioned in this article:
The officer served (2) tours overseas. Seeing the lasting affects a tour in Afghanistan has had on a relative, I believe this officer has undiagnosed PTSD which impacted his reaction here.
The officers had reason to believe Jackson owned/possessed a firearm with a suppressor. The sound of a suppressed 9mm isn’t terribly dissimilar from an acorn falling on sheet metal.
I am loathe to use the word retarded… but I just have no other words to describe this.
This story has an extra chromosome. Florida Cop might too.
It’s a trauma reaction tbh. Huge red flag that they need to be in therapy.
If there is no trauma before the police academy, it’s created and cultivated in the academy.
Isn’t the training period only like a couple of weeks. I feel like that’s not long enough to learn to be a cop. At least not a good cop.
When I learnt to be a network admin, the training course was a year, and I’ve never shot anyone so clearly the longer training works.
In California it’s a bit longer, 3 -4 months. Still not really long enough, and aimed towards a certain type of person. It may not teach how to be a good cop, they will teach you to be in constant fear.
How is this a trauma reaction?
This is a big old pussy with a gun who doesn’t have the functioning braincells to think.
Being a cop is dangerous for everyone around you, not you yourself
Sometimes war veterans who have been in combat suffer from PTSD and react to loud gun like noises as if they are shots being fired. That is not the case here as it seems he did not take part in any combat while deployed but it certainly can be trauma.
He has no known history of trauma. He was, IIRC, a special forces officer that was deployed (Afghanistan?), but he never saw combat operations.
This is more likely the result of being trained that everyone is out to kill cops, that cops are the “sheep dogs”, and that they need to be ready to kill people at a moment’s notice (“Killology”).
Pigbrained
Is it lemmy.world filtering out words they don’t like? Who is censoring free speech? Why am I seeing removed everywhere?
Your account is on lemmy.ml my guy, you’re doing this to yourself
I wasn’t aware that this existed as a feature for instance admins. I have learned something new today.
It’s your own instance what’s censoring the word.
Thanks for the info, TIL
When the founding fathers wrote the first amendment, they specifically aimed to protect unrestricted use of slurs on private web services. /s
