!piracy@lemmy.ml has also been blocked from lemmy.world.
edit:
Lemmy.world has released an official response.
To be honest, it’s not a huge deal. The copyright cartel can easily send dmca requests to your isp just for having text guidelines. Not everyone has the bandwidth or energy to deal with stuff like that.
I just wish this wasn’t done at the request of a transphobic racist who just did it to get back at is for getting banned for making transphobic and racist communities in this instance.
Keep it up db0, a lot of us across the fediverse appreciate what you’ve built!
Don’t need lemmy world anyways. This is the most based instance on the entire fediverse. Their loss.
One of the most popular instance. This is why federation is necessary and people should create accounts in different servers instead of pulling everyone to one server calling it tge “official” or “main” server
At least they blocked a community and not the entire instance. This is how these things should be handled, imo
Yeah, they fell for the fucking troll. Excuse my french.
So beehaw was right whey they defederated from .world, there is shadiness there…
PS: this is one of the best communities in the fediverse, good job.
Beehaw’s reasons for defederation were completely unrelated to what’s happening now. They didn’t want the general public to have access to their “safe” community.
there’s more to “the general public” besides 2 instances. beehaw defederated from .world and sijw because the mod tooling to handle a huge influx of people isn’t ready, and it still isn’t ready. (and the rest of their defederations are an off the shelf mastodon blocklist import which all instances should do imo and a few explicitly unmoderated instances. oh and porn i think)
beehaw federates just fine with the instance i’m on, for example.
if they wanted to defederate completely, lemmy does support allowlist federation, and i’m pretty sure their admins know about it.
The best part is lemmy.world notified its users of this change on…discord. lol
Great social media site, where you notify end users of major changes on another platform entirely.
Yeaaaah, that’s sketchy. I can understand them blocking the communities out of fear of legal risk. They didn’t sign up for that kinda risk and we all know that piracy oriented sites get targeted by legal action (isn’t there currently an ongoing attempt to get Reddit to turn over user info about people who accessed piracy communities there?). But why the heck would they hide that they blocked the communities?
It’s the same as with Hexbear. I can understand why they defederated from that instance, since I’ve seen how they comment. They’re extremely aggressive. Even when they’re right, they’re assholes about it. And they’re often straight up supporting Russia, which is batshit crazy (they have no nuance, acting as if there can’t both be Nazis in Ukraine and Russia can also be an evil aggressor). But Lemmy.World was happy to silently defederate until they got called out. Even despite the fact that for Exploding Heads, they at least had a big post about it (even though Exploding Heads is far worse).
discord
TBF their instance was probably down at the time
I was on Lemmy World too, but lately they’ve started to restrict more and more. Restricting access to piracy was my limit
Its fair enough. They gotta protect their ass.
I just logged into a user made on this instance. Problem solved. And lemmy.world has had a ton of downtime anyway. Always trouble loading comments and often trouble loading posts
Fucking Lemmy.world is hot garbage. They’re down every day and are constantly defederating with any instance that doesn’t fit their narrow, sanitized world views. It’s also one of the most recommended Lemmy’s with more new users going there than anywhere else. I think it incredibly damaging in the long run to have 50% of active users on this platform to be centralized on one domain. Especially if this domain makes as many boneheaded decisions as lemmy.world
I think it incredibly damaging in the long run to have 50% of active users on this platform to be centralized on one domain.
I agree, but 50% is still better than 100%. I definitely appreciate that I’m reading about this while being totally unaffected personally rather than just disappearing entirely like what happens with a banned subreddit.
We badly need Lemmy clients that can merge instances even if they’re defederated, as well as the other way around, filter out entire instances even if your instance won’t defederate from them. Letting instance owners dictate what you can or cannot see is not the way.
There are clients that will do the former (eg. Liftoff) but I’m not aware of any that will do the latter. I don’t understand why, it can’t be that hard to filter users and communities by instance.
I wanna say connect could do it for a while now. It’ll certainly come to many clients
I believe Memmy has a filter for communities and instances.
it does, but its broken. the list resets every time you close the app. At least on the full release current build
Yep, I agree. Yet another reason I just spun up my own instance and use that.
I’m curious as to what you’d need(other than a server) to spin oneupp
Some time and tinkering.
It’s quite straightforward (especially if you don’t use nginx or need email) to use the docker install.
So you need a Linux box (IDK about windows) a fix IP with a port routed to your machine and some free time. Oh yeah a domain name pointing to said IP.
That’s good to know, thanks! Would love to try that some day
It’s definitely achievable and I’d encourage anyone to play around with self hosting.
The main thing to acknowledge before getting started is that it’s an ongoing commitment, like a puppy. Getting it to work initially is the easy part, you can follow a guide and have something working in a few hours of effort. Running in to problems later on is the tricky part, automated backups and upgrades et cetera, something needs a re-start, things just stop working for some reason.
Ah yeah, I can imagine it’s not a one and done thing, you’d have to do a lot of support with your server, can see it being a massive time sink
A lot of people register there initially to get their feet wet and move on to another instance later for these reasons. At least we have subscriptions/blocks transferring tools now.
I did it the moment they decided not to defederate from Meta. I don’t like admins who can’t take decisive actions to protect their users (and apparently seem to bend their knees to any big corpo out there)
The snitch came from your instance btw. Keep an eye out for @Bungiefan_ak@lemm.ee
I deleted my .world account
Bungiefan_ak appears to have literally two hobbies, and they’re being anti-piracy and actively a fascist.
Funny how that works out.
@Bungiefan_ak@lemm.ee joined 8 hours ago.
same account name (different instance) is also posting transphobia on https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/nomoretroons
Bruh what the actual fuck.
Its been deleted now, but that person has successfully trolled every lemmy.world user and is obviously full of hate and intolerance.
The shit that really gets my goat, is that they had this patriotic spin to their comments about how it’s illegal. Like sure, whatever but you could just stfu and mind your business, y’know? Oh well, trolls gonna troll and get banned, lol.
Let the garbage go there
@tron @Madbrad200 >Fucking Lemmy.world is hot garbage. They’re down every day and are constantly defederating with any instance that doesn’t fit their narrow, sanitized world views.
welcome to the fedi, first day here? :guraKekw:
They should have shut down registrations a long time before they gained such a majority of users.
They stand behind the lie that “if we didn’t let people in, they wouldn’t know where to go”… as if it’s so hard to create a new registration page that re-routes people to other instances.
I’ll never understand the selfishness of people like that. They know they’re actively hurting all of lemmy, but they want to keep all the users to themselves. This thing only works if it’s a collection of smaller instances.
100% spot on. I got called all sorts of names for pointing this out, but maybe my own fault for pointing it out on one of their posts! 😅
I think lemmy.world gather the kind of redditors that like sanitized world views, the power of decentralization makes us choose an instance without those hot garbaje takes as lemmy.world.
Was to lazy to change instances even though .world was always down. Actively censoring made me finally pull the plug. Thanks for helping me out I guess
I mean, the great thing about federation is that you can just have different accounts for different servers
The legal environment around Lemmy is tenuous at best. Content and / or actions that are legal in one nation are illegal in others but Lemmy caches that content on every federated instance with active users.
To illustrate the complexity involved consider a Mexican user on a Lemmy instance located in Germany that visits exploding heads to view Nazi content. Which nations laws are controlling?
What about when an Australian user on a Finnish Lemmy instance who accesses something like fauxbait from lemmynsfw.com? Those images are arguably illegal in Australia but who has liability here? The Australian user? The Finnish Lemmy instance? Lemmynsfw.com?
In both of those scenarios the User is one country with its own set of laws, the Users Host Instance and its content cache are in a 2nd country with a different set of laws, and the instance hosting the content is in 3rd country with yet another set of laws!
It’s the same problem with digital piracy, who is legally liable when the law, and remember we don’t even know whose laws apply, is breached? The User? Their Host Instance? The Content Host? All of them?
Legal lightening is absolutely going to strike a Lemmy instance soon and no sane instance operator wants to be the lightening rod.
Just replace “Lemmy instance” with “blog”, and the answer is obvious.
“consider a Mexican user visiting a blog located in Germany to view Nazi content.”
The user is subject to Mexican laws. The blog owner would be subject to German laws. The instance owner is likewise subject to German laws.
Adding additional parties doesn’t change anything. For example, if a Mexican user on a Swiss VPN views content originating from a blog in Germany, then the user, the VPN, and the blog are all subject to laws of their own jurisdiction.
Those laws can regulate what content you can access, what content you can host, or both.
If you are American then your Lemmy instance is most likely be protected by section 230, and you probably don’t have to worry too much about non-pirated content. If you live in another country or host pirated content in the US, then YMMV.
Just replace “Lemmy instance” with “blog”, and the answer is obvious.
Actually it’s not because there’s no 3rd party like there is with Lemmy and especially not a 3rd party that’s keeping a cache (copy) of the content.
If you are American then your Lemmy instance is most likely be protected by section 230…
So there’s no American users on lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, hexbear.net, or even lemmy.world itself? You’d be very very wrong in that assumption.
or host pirated content in the US, then YMMV.
Aaaand we are back where we started. What is “hosting”? Your lemmy “home”, lemmy.today for me, has a cached copy of all the content it’s users view. So if I retrieve illegal material my instance has it too and while it’s hidden it IS retrievable by both the Instance Operator and other users (if they know how).
So whose door(s) are the cops kicking down in the raid? Mine? Lemmy.Worlds? The one at exploding heads / lemmynsfw / db0zer? All of them?
Made the switch from lemmy.world the other day due to this. Not necessarily because of who they defederated/blocked, but because this happens with little/no consultation or communication with the user base. The frequency of it became frustrating; who knows what other community/instance will be blocked on a whim next?
I appreciate that the LW admins do this as a hobby in their free time, but things like this could be approached in a better way, or at the very least with better communication. I found out about this via a post in /c/mildlyinfuriating, which in itself was mildly infuriating lol.
Migrated to this instance, and I can choose via Connect which instances or communities I want to see. Should have done this sooner.
I just made an account to discover that we’re blocked. Wtf lol, this is my first post.
We will never block it ;)
A transphobic troll got spanked and then retaliated with that post and the .world admins were stupid enough to blindly follow the directions of an alt-right turd.
Just saying.
Not just transphobic but racist as well and going by the posted pebbleyeet memes probably also fascist. Sad that the lemmy.world admins took the bait especially after dealing with constant ddos themselves for kicking off their own trolls
It’s comedy how wishy washy they are on not federating with Meta despite bunch of their users saying they hate Facebook and Zuck but are convinced to defederate from us by a single post from such a suspicious account.
I just saw the same user on the star trek instance, accusing them of being into ‘nerd shit’
It’s doubtful they posted to .world with genuine concerns. They just seem like an agent of chaos.
‘nerd shit’
On Star Trek? Imagine that! (I’ve been nerding over there, off and on, all day) 🤣
Incidentally, when I looked up that user earlier in the day, they account was 8 hours old.
Source for this person being transphobic? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just don’t know where this is coming from…
About 5 shitty memes that are now deleted, that’s what this post is in response to in the first place.
And just like that I learned about a Steam Deck piracy community.
Something something Streisand Effect.
TBF it doesn’t seem like they were against piracy per se, they just wanted to avoid potential liability. That said, I’ve still moved on to another instance.
This 100%
I don’t know why people are making this dramatic, this was absolutely a functional and pragmatic decision.
The reason why I have a lemmy account is to be a part of the piracy community. My account is also registered on this instance. So as long as I am able to access this community I am good. Plus making a second account on lemmy.world for the communities on therewill take literally seconds . Absolutely no need to panic.
Lucky that my instance moderation doesn’t oppose piracy
