Got back to lemmy barely today, was reading worldnews and put some comments. Got banned in 20 minutes. What happened to this place? People were complaining about reddit mods and now this? You can spread antisemitic propaganda freely and we can’t even comment? Fucking hell

  • kava@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Can you copy paste the exchange that got you banned? I never believe people who complain about bans - they never show the full story. Usually it’s justified, although not always.

    Anyhow, I will ask you a few questions.

    How many Palestinians can Israel kill before it’s not self defense anymore?

    Is apartheid acceptable to you? West Bank has two different court systems- one for Israelis and another for Palestinians. An Israeli teenager might get probation for the same crime that a Palestinian teenager will get 9 months.

    There are roads that only Jews can use. Palestinians can get arrested without reasonable cause and be held without a trial indefinitely.

    Is that OK for you?

    Gaza has been under blockade for decades now. Do you think that’s ok? That a Palestinian can’t just leave?

    Did you know in order to leave Gaza before Oct 7th, a Palestinian needed to apply for a special id with the government of Israel? And they needed a valid reason. And the only reason Israel would ever accept is commercial.

    So for example if you wanted to visit your family member in the West Bank, you would get refused.

    Do you think it’s OK for Israel to have killed tens of thousands of Palestinians before Oct 7th?

    If you look at the statistics, for every 1 Israeli killed there were 20 dead Palestinians.

    I think any rational person who has the capacity for independent thought and has a shred of empathy for other humans will inevitably oppose Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians.

    • MrsDoyle@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      I think any rational person who has the capacity for independent thought and has a shred of empathy for other humans will inevitably oppose Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians.

      Agreed. I would only add that opposing that treatment of Palestinians is NOT antisemitic.

    • seesaw@lemmy.mlOP
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      6 months ago

      Almost everything you said is a propaganda and barely have any truth in them.

      Israel’s main goal is not to kill Palestinian civilians. If they wanted that, they could carpet bomb the entire place, who will stop them? Hamas? Civilian deaths are inevitable when militants hide under hospitals and shoot from schools. It’s on Hamas and their militants.

      Two different court system is there because Muslims don’t want to be in the same legislation as “kuffars” (you’re probably not familiar with the term because you sound way too ignorant for that). Same is valid in Malaysia and Indonesia, Muslims consider Hindu religion inferior so they reject their legal systems, there are two courts with the exact same reason.

      There are roads only Jews can use? That’s a myth. It’s true that sometimes police closes roads for safety reasons and that’s usually because some Palestinian randomly stabs Israelis, including women and children.

      Gaza has NOT been under blockade. In fact, Israel let Gaza trade many times. And you know what happened? Hamas smuggled weapons and missiles with every opportunity they got. And they shot into Israel totally randomly, only to provoke Israel.

      It’s totally normal that Israel controls entry and exit in Gaza. Why is that a problem? I cannot enter US or EU without visa, same thing. If you have valid reason you can enter Israel. That’s what borders are for

      Israel killed Palestinians and Palestinians killed Israelis. The fact that it’s 1 to 20 only proves Palestinians capability of doing it. At ww2 many more Germans and Japanese died than Americans. That makes US bad for some reason?

      • NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social
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        6 months ago

        Yes, yes what we did in WWII was fucking horrible and we all looked at that and said “Shit we can’t be like that anymore, the cure is as bad as the disease.

        Also calling people ignorant will never bring people to your cause.

        It sounds like you are more upset that everyone does not agree with you, and that you do not like mod actions.

        So to give the standard fediverse response, please feel free to spin up your own instance with blackjack and hookers

      • kava@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        Almost everything you said is a propaganda and barely have any truth in them

        Everything I said can be sourced.

        Two different court system is there because Muslims don’t want to be in the same legislation as “kuffars”

        Palestinians are subject to martial law. Has nothing to do with “kuffars”.

        in military court, children as young as 12 years old can be handed prison sentences, which is unlawful under the Israeli civil legal system. … all military court hearings are held in Hebrew, which many Palestinian defendants cannot understand. The judges, prosecutors, stenographers, and translators are all uniformed members of the military.

        There are roads only Jews can use? That’s a myth

        Israeli authorities have restricted or prohibited Palestinian travel on 41 roads and sections of roads throughout the West Bank. These roads are open to Israelis, including settlers, allowing them to travel freely on more than 400 miles of roads from which Palestinians are barred.

        Source? US Gov https://www.state.gov/reports/2017-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/israel-golan-heights-west-bank-and-gaza/israel-golan-heights-west-bank-and-gaza-west-bank-and-gaza/

        Palestinian randomly stabs Israelis, including women and children

        Israelis kill 20x the number of Palestinians. Settlers commit acts of violence all the time. Would that justify treating them worse than blacks in the 1960s?

        Gaza has NOT been under blockade

        Israel has directly controlled Gaza’s airspace, their entire coastline, and controlled their land borders. This is the textbook definition of a blockade.

        Israel blocked or limited specific types of items from going into Gaza - including construction materials. A non-exhaustive list of items

        Amnesty International and other organizations reported that cement, glass, steel, bitumen, wood, paint, doors, plastic pipes, metal pipes, metal reinforcement rods, aggregate, generators, high voltage cables and wooden telegraph poles were "high priority reconstruction materials currently with no or highly limited entry into Gaza through official crossings.

        It’s totally normal that Israel controls entry and exit in Gaza. Why is that a problem? I cannot enter US or EU without visa

        The difference is you can actually apply for a visa to leave. Palestinians cannot leave. They cannot go to West Bank to visit family. In fact, the Israeli Supreme Court actually ruled explicitly that Palestinians living in Gaza cannot visit the other half of Palestine. It’s their country - but they can’t go there. https://www.gisha.org/UserFiles/File/publications_english/Disengagement_Danger_6feb_06.pdf

        Israel killed Palestinians and Palestinians killed Israelis.

        The difference is exactly what you said - one side has all the power. This is a one-sided fight. It’s always been a one-sided fight. Which is why the Palestinians resort to terrorism. They have no other options, they are slowly being suffocated.

        Israel is an apartheid far-right regime. You cannot deny this. Every single point you made has been addressed. I know I’m wasting my time with you, but maybe someone else will read this and learn something.

      • Zellith@kbin.social
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        6 months ago

        they could carpet bomb the entire place, who will stop them?

        They want to make it look as little as a genocide as possible. Gotta keep those billions of USD coming. $$$$

        Civilian deaths are inevitable when militants hide under hospitals and shoot from schools. It’s on Hamas and their militants.

        I suppose that nobody would be being attacked from hospitals and schools if Israel wasnt in the area. Attacking those places is a choice. Choices have consequences.

        There are roads only Jews can use? That’s a myth.

        A myth you say?
        https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/19cxg16/jewish_only_roads_in_occupied_west_bank/

        At the end of the day. It’s all fucked. Fuck Hamas. Fuck Israel. It’s the Palestinian people suffering through all this fuckery.