Got back to lemmy barely today, was reading worldnews and put some comments. Got banned in 20 minutes. What happened to this place? People were complaining about reddit mods and now this? You can spread antisemitic propaganda freely and we can’t even comment? Fucking hell
Please don’t feed the trolls.
Please just stop responding. It’s the only way to win here - to not play.
People against genocide are not trolls.
Good.
Israel is indefensible. Fuck ‘em.
So you’re defending a country, that’s been committing a genocide on innocent Palestinians civilians for generations?
Yeah I can’t really sympathise with you on that sorry.
Supporting human rights ≠ antisemitism
I understand your frustration with not being to freely express your thoughts and how hostile ppl can be about the situation but unfortunately that’s just life on the internet sadly.
You should really educate on yourself on the whole situation cuz in actual reality, there is no good guys (cuz we can all agree that Hamas are not good ppl either and they do not represent the Palestinians people so don’t blame for them for something Hamas did) in this situation and the ppl that are affected the most are the Palestinians and the Israelis, since at the moment I’m writing this, more families and children are dying by the second and since Israel is a very nationalistic society, a lot of the citizens are sadly brainwashed into thinking the Palestinians are “second class citizens” which completely shows how much influence Israel as a country and politically, it has an influence on ppl internationally and nationally too.
Please actually educate yourself about the whole situation before making posts like this cuz it makes ppl who actually care about this to look like we’re antisemitic when that’s far from the case and it frustrates me when ppl just assume that cuz it literally doesn’t help anyone that is actually trying to help spread awareness about this and this causes further division within ppl, which is not what we need when fighting for human rights as this prevents political progress, which is the last thing Palestinians need.
What’s your question exactly?
Probably because Israel has gone far past a reasonable response and is now genociding Palestinians. Also have been forcing out people so Israelies can take over their land and settlers can take over homes and businesses. Also Also, they are refusing to let aid in to the Gaza strip as well as showing no regard to civilians other than Israelis as well as silencing people who are against the war in Israel. Most people know hamas is a terrorist group and fully supported Israel defending itself. This is no longer self defense.
Sorry, there must have been a mixup. I think you were looking for “No, Stupid questions!”
Well. It’s a totally free place here. Nothing stopping you from creating another account and comment again.
What’s the point? They will ban that in 10 minutes too
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Can you copy paste the exchange that got you banned? I never believe people who complain about bans - they never show the full story. Usually it’s justified, although not always.
Anyhow, I will ask you a few questions.
How many Palestinians can Israel kill before it’s not self defense anymore?
Is apartheid acceptable to you? West Bank has two different court systems- one for Israelis and another for Palestinians. An Israeli teenager might get probation for the same crime that a Palestinian teenager will get 9 months.
There are roads that only Jews can use. Palestinians can get arrested without reasonable cause and be held without a trial indefinitely.
Is that OK for you?
Gaza has been under blockade for decades now. Do you think that’s ok? That a Palestinian can’t just leave?
Did you know in order to leave Gaza before Oct 7th, a Palestinian needed to apply for a special id with the government of Israel? And they needed a valid reason. And the only reason Israel would ever accept is commercial.
So for example if you wanted to visit your family member in the West Bank, you would get refused.
Do you think it’s OK for Israel to have killed tens of thousands of Palestinians before Oct 7th?
If you look at the statistics, for every 1 Israeli killed there were 20 dead Palestinians.
I think any rational person who has the capacity for independent thought and has a shred of empathy for other humans will inevitably oppose Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians.
The response from OP to you is genuinely mind boggling.
I think any rational person who has the capacity for independent thought and has a shred of empathy for other humans will inevitably oppose Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians.
Agreed. I would only add that opposing that treatment of Palestinians is NOT antisemitic.
This is the key thing that dumb people can’t grasp. Palestinians are Semitic as well, so it’s literally just pure bullshit.
While you are technically correct, antisemitism refers to prejudice against Jewish people.
Almost everything you said is a propaganda and barely have any truth in them.
Israel’s main goal is not to kill Palestinian civilians. If they wanted that, they could carpet bomb the entire place, who will stop them? Hamas? Civilian deaths are inevitable when militants hide under hospitals and shoot from schools. It’s on Hamas and their militants.
Two different court system is there because Muslims don’t want to be in the same legislation as “kuffars” (you’re probably not familiar with the term because you sound way too ignorant for that). Same is valid in Malaysia and Indonesia, Muslims consider Hindu religion inferior so they reject their legal systems, there are two courts with the exact same reason.
There are roads only Jews can use? That’s a myth. It’s true that sometimes police closes roads for safety reasons and that’s usually because some Palestinian randomly stabs Israelis, including women and children.
Gaza has NOT been under blockade. In fact, Israel let Gaza trade many times. And you know what happened? Hamas smuggled weapons and missiles with every opportunity they got. And they shot into Israel totally randomly, only to provoke Israel.
It’s totally normal that Israel controls entry and exit in Gaza. Why is that a problem? I cannot enter US or EU without visa, same thing. If you have valid reason you can enter Israel. That’s what borders are for
Israel killed Palestinians and Palestinians killed Israelis. The fact that it’s 1 to 20 only proves Palestinians capability of doing it. At ww2 many more Germans and Japanese died than Americans. That makes US bad for some reason?
Now that’s propaganda.
Almost everything you said is a propaganda and barely have any truth in them
Everything I said can be sourced.
Two different court system is there because Muslims don’t want to be in the same legislation as “kuffars”
Palestinians are subject to martial law. Has nothing to do with “kuffars”.
in military court, children as young as 12 years old can be handed prison sentences, which is unlawful under the Israeli civil legal system. … all military court hearings are held in Hebrew, which many Palestinian defendants cannot understand. The judges, prosecutors, stenographers, and translators are all uniformed members of the military.
There are roads only Jews can use? That’s a myth
Israeli authorities have restricted or prohibited Palestinian travel on 41 roads and sections of roads throughout the West Bank. These roads are open to Israelis, including settlers, allowing them to travel freely on more than 400 miles of roads from which Palestinians are barred.
Palestinian randomly stabs Israelis, including women and children
Israelis kill 20x the number of Palestinians. Settlers commit acts of violence all the time. Would that justify treating them worse than blacks in the 1960s?
Gaza has NOT been under blockade
Israel has directly controlled Gaza’s airspace, their entire coastline, and controlled their land borders. This is the textbook definition of a blockade.
Israel blocked or limited specific types of items from going into Gaza - including construction materials. A non-exhaustive list of items
Amnesty International and other organizations reported that cement, glass, steel, bitumen, wood, paint, doors, plastic pipes, metal pipes, metal reinforcement rods, aggregate, generators, high voltage cables and wooden telegraph poles were "high priority reconstruction materials currently with no or highly limited entry into Gaza through official crossings.
It’s totally normal that Israel controls entry and exit in Gaza. Why is that a problem? I cannot enter US or EU without visa
The difference is you can actually apply for a visa to leave. Palestinians cannot leave. They cannot go to West Bank to visit family. In fact, the Israeli Supreme Court actually ruled explicitly that Palestinians living in Gaza cannot visit the other half of Palestine. It’s their country - but they can’t go there. https://www.gisha.org/UserFiles/File/publications_english/Disengagement_Danger_6feb_06.pdf
Israel killed Palestinians and Palestinians killed Israelis.
The difference is exactly what you said - one side has all the power. This is a one-sided fight. It’s always been a one-sided fight. Which is why the Palestinians resort to terrorism. They have no other options, they are slowly being suffocated.
Israel is an apartheid far-right regime. You cannot deny this. Every single point you made has been addressed. I know I’m wasting my time with you, but maybe someone else will read this and learn something.
Yes, yes what we did in WWII was fucking horrible and we all looked at that and said “Shit we can’t be like that anymore, the cure is as bad as the disease.
Also calling people ignorant will never bring people to your cause.
It sounds like you are more upset that everyone does not agree with you, and that you do not like mod actions.
So to give the standard fediverse response, please feel free to spin up your own instance with blackjack and hookers
they could carpet bomb the entire place, who will stop them?
They want to make it look as little as a genocide as possible. Gotta keep those billions of USD coming. $$$$
Civilian deaths are inevitable when militants hide under hospitals and shoot from schools. It’s on Hamas and their militants.
I suppose that nobody would be being attacked from hospitals and schools if Israel wasnt in the area. Attacking those places is a choice. Choices have consequences.
There are roads only Jews can use? That’s a myth.
A myth you say?
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/19cxg16/jewish_only_roads_in_occupied_west_bank/At the end of the day. It’s all fucked. Fuck Hamas. Fuck Israel. It’s the Palestinian people suffering through all this fuckery.
One thing I like about Lemmy is all moderation activities are public. Here is every single mod activity taken against @seesaw@lemmy.ml
.ml is full of people that excuse any and all Hamas actions. Anything other than wishing death to Israel is a ban there. Just subscribe to other world news communities that are a bit more sane.
AFAIK .ml is basically an arm of the Chinese state.
Interesting; haven’t heard that before. What’s your evidence?
Both personal evidence of getting banned for saying something critical of the Chinese government and stuff I’ve read online afterwards.
I’ll see if I can find it.
I mean, I’m probably exaggerating when I say “arm of the government “ but you know how these shill factories operate.
Edit: here’s the first thing I found. https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/14k67qt/lemmymls_admin_is_pro_chinese_government_and/
Lots of other stuff if you look.
They don’t like commies
Got it. Thanks.
Wonder why though
That’s an easy block. Not today, troll!
For anyone curious, here’s a link to the modlog for this user
Being against Israel’s actions isn’t antisemitism. You’re literally spreading antisemitism if you think that Israel = Jewish. The government of Israel clearly does not do anything even slightly worth considering as part of Judaism, so equating the two is just you trying to win an argument that is literally indefensible unless you claim antisemitism.
Ill take the bait.
What was your defence for the deaths of these children murdered by Israel?
Blame Hamas. Just like we blame Nazis for the deaths of innocent Germans, or Japanese government for the deaths of innocent Japanese people. Innocents die at wars, and we should blame the starters of the wars, not defenders
Ah yes, “They started it!!” Diplomacy, often found on second grade playgrounds.
Israel’s inhumane treatment of the Palestinians started long before Oct 7th.
The Nazis here are Israel. Make no mistake about it.
You can’t ignore over 50 years of history beforehand, with a single sentence. Its vastly more nuanced than “blame hamas”
By this definition there are no such things as war crimes. Everything is justified because it’s the other group’s fault.
Just like we blame Nazis for the deaths of innocent Germans, or Japanese government for the deaths of innocent Japanese people.
Who is “we”? I don’t do either of those things.
So Israel and its soldiers bear no blame for any of this?
Isn’t it obvious, they were antisemitic Hamas.
