• Aceticon@lemmy.world
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    Judging by US politics nowadays and their behaviour in regards to both Israel’s genocide in Gaza and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the average boomer would’ve sided with the Nazis.

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      That’s because they collectively have the political intelligence of a concussed pigeon.

      They go on and on about freedoms and their freedoms and their freedoms to have guns and in the next sentence endorse Trump a man who if he had his way would invite fascism into the country. Presumably their guns would be taken off them at that point. Since fascism with an armed population rarely works out.

      But none of them realize this because that’s like three steps down the line, and they’re still struggling to think about step one.

  • merde alors@sh.itjust.works
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    a global generation that won’t be storming any beaches or cities would be a blessing for the world

    imagine a generation in russia that just keeps doing what they do instead of listening to an old psychopath in Moscow who decides that it would be “good” to send hundreds of thousands to their deaths to bring death and destruction to millions of others

    being peaceful is not a shame!

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      There is also no shame in fighting to demilitarize a dictatorship or tear down a theocracy, though. Tolerance ends with the Intolerant, I only hope that the Zoomers understand that at least as well as Millennials.

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      Song

      Translation

      How much years unending

      Slaughters inhumane

      On children fall from sky

      Bombs as bunch of anger

      Tanks’ place is in museums

      Let them quietly rust there

      Body of mother is scarred

      Warriors’ place is in romance

      Wars are not glory

      Groans in bloody mess

      Tears, dirt on uniform

      Wars don’t have a place in the world

      Tanks’ place is in museums

      Let them quietly rust there

      In tales of old empires

      People don’t belive anymore

      “Homo homini lupus est” is what we said when

      Voice of reason was silent in world and war raged everywhere

      When lives were worthless, people were seen only as soldiers

      And entire world was turning to burning hell

      Why didn’t we become smarter Isn’t it’s time already

      To understand as a matter of fact that more important

      For hammer of war to stop clutter

      Tanks’ place is in museums

      Let them quietly rust there

      Even as toys

      Kids don’t need to know them

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      Yeah but… they seemed to not have realized that it would be THEM being used as cannon fodder. They thought they could just reap the benefits without having to lift a finger. It was going to be “repeal and then replace”, and then once they swallowed that line, it reeled them in when it was too late to pull back.

      i.e. they were promised peace - the territorial expansion was only supposed to last 3 days and that hardly counted in their eyes - and did not realize that by having elected Putin, it was already too late.

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    A lot of boomers dont realize they lost the Vietnam war.

    My dad was shocked to learn that the communists won, when I told him a couple years ago.

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      My dad was shocked to learn that the communists won

      Even that is distorted - the Vietnamese people won under incredible hardship. Simple farmers, hundreds of thousands simply refused to bow to imperialist rule. They were helped, but they did the fighting.

      But you can also argue that the US did “win” the war or at least their objectives. The objective was to stop the domino effect of socialism and they absolutely brutally devastated Vietnam for many decades. And that was their objective, to punish anyone who dares to redistribute wealth.

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    Ironically, Vietnam was Baby Boomers’ avocado toast. Their parents were happy to keep shipping their children off to die so that politicians wouldn’t look weak in front of the public. Remember that students were murdered at Kent State over daring to exercise their First Amendment rights.

    Somehow those people STILL, as a generation, became gigantic shitbags who destroyed the world for their own personal gratification.

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      We absolutely won the war on terror in Afghanistan.

      Osama bin Laden tried to show that he was the scariest terrorist, and the US military took that personally and wasn’t willing to give up the crown. So, for a decade before his death, and a decade after, we spent trillions of dollars to make sure that a bunch of nice, lovely shepherds would shit themselves with fear if they’re at a wedding or funeral and hear the sound of an airplane in the distance.

      The goal was to make the most terror right? Did I move the goalposts enough that the US still wins?

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    Today’s youth are fighting in Ukraine just fine. She probably thinks it’s character forming, having never once done anything remotely like that herself.

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    Why do people say zoomers are super liberal?

    Look at music now; it’s materialistic and conformity. The punk scene is a minority, rap being about the struggles of life is a minority

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      Materialism and conformity. Hmm, where have I heard these as the basis of political theory before?

      Oh right, Marxism.

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          Well for one you said it’s a minority, as if that’s a bad thing. When that’s what punk is, a minority art movement that breaks the rules of the establishment. Until it becomes the establishment.

          It’s also not just a bunch of kids plinking away at guitars. Look at the PC Music label and hyperpop in general, that’s punk.

          Nor does it need to be filled with angst and lyrics with the subtlety of a brick to the bullocks.

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      Zoomers lean more left than previous generations, in larger quantities and as a percentage, even including increased far-right zoomers as compared to previous generations.

      Modern pop music being materialistic and conformist is just the music industry, there’s tons of anticapitalist modern punk if you look for it.

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        But the “leaning more to the left” comes from “you promised and didn’t deliver so fuck you” place. And it’s not only young people. We’ve been told for decades that “If you work hard you’ll succeed”, you have to defend your country so your country can help you when you need it" and shit like that. But those are lies the upper class tells everyone else.

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          Well, sure, but I’d say radicalization increasing on both ends is more because of the general decay of Capitalism. As Capitalism gets increasingly fucked, people seek answers, and while the general trend is to the left, there are also more fascists.

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        That’s actually now true, at least where I live. The girls tend to be more left leaning while the boys tend to be more right leaning.

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          The difference between genders on political affiliation is small, but present, yes, but overall the trend is to the left.

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            That’s not really what I mean.

            Look I turned 40 a few months ago an a few weeks ago I got a newspaper subscription, somehow I turned into my father…

            Anyway, a few days ago I was reading this article and it was about (Dutch) GenZ (I want to say kids but adults is probably also true).

            The article was about how the GenZ girls are mostly left and pretty far left. Old people will probably describe them as woke.

            But what was pretty interesting (and maybe scary) to me is that a lot of the GenZ boys are pretty conservative. Lots of them follow “alpha male” influencers and lots of them even really like Andrew Tate. They sort of believe in this alpha get money and girls mindset. They have some graphs about other countries, where in south Korea it had the biggest gap between boys on the right and girls on the left.

            I just looked it up (my newspaper also can be viewed digitally)

            It’s in Dutch but its probably understandable (mannen are males, vrouwen are females).

            This is the source but it’s dutch and behind a paywall

            http://digitalekrant.trouw.nl/trouw/2101/article/1987524/34/1/render/?token=0ba4dd5e64ebc6c01e4705ca84dbe8c9&vl_app_id=be.persgroep.red.mobile.android.trn&vl_app_version=19.1.0&vl_platform=android

            This is the head of the image translated

            Political gap between young men and women has grown In many countries, young men (18-29) have become more conservative in recent years, while young women have become more progressive. Score: the percentage of progressive minus conservative young adults, based on various long-term studies.

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          You’re just repeating what I said and misinterpreting the statistics. Gen Z is far more radical on both ends, but the median Gen Z person is more to the left than previous generations. Gen Z is not more conservative overall, just the fringe end is more fascist.

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            But the stats don’t put them further left than millennials

            If we only focus on the left then we have 56 thinking it’s man made for millennials and 54 for Zoomers. So where do you get more left from?

            If we say it’s margin of error and they are the same then where do you get more left from?

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              More radicalization on both ends, like I said. If the average conservative millenial isn’t as insane as the average conservative Gen Z, it can give you the illusion that there are more.

              Easy enough.

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        Nah, people just hate you and your twisted view of the world. If a zoomer is a Karen then every other generation are Nazis.

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          LOL imagine calling the gentlest generation of people to be born in human history “Karens”.

          Love, a Gen Xer who manages Zoomers and loves them.

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            More like the forgotten generation. “Gentle” is not the adjective id use.

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            Can you explain the poofy white afro half of them seem to have? Are there more kids being born with curly hair or are they going out and getting perms?

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        I really don’t want to see your answer, but as a rhetorical for your own purposes, you should have defined what a “Karen Generation” is. That will mean something different for everyone.

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            More like asking what the heck they are talking about. They don’t specify, it’s just generalized anger.

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          I work with a Zoomer who’s 22. While I agree that 22 year olds are still children, they’re quickly becoming not-children, and a predilection to outrage is not a trait usually associated with children.

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      Pretty much. Look at most countries around the world. In South East Asia, in the Philippines and Indonesia the Gen Z just reelected their dictators.

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      That’s because people figured out a formula to make the most widely accessible and profitable music possible. Its a process that isn’t exclusive to music or gen z, and I fail to see how its relevant.

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        Well we’re also seeing a trend of younger men falling for the manosphere type bullshit. It’s a weird divide. Lots of younger people in general are leaning more into socialism, too. But yeah sweeping generalizations either way aren’t representative of reality

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      Since when do musical lyrics irrevocably dictate political party affiliation?

      This isn’t a binary choice.

      By your standards those that listen to country music would actually give a shit about this country and their fellow person while driving trucks and drinking beer. They only get the last two.

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    The military industrial complex won. People suspect it’s why JFK was assassinated. He was ready to go public with the conspiracy. Nowadays we just accept that the military industrial complex runs shit lol

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      Yeah, JFK, who started Vietnam and tried his best to provoke a war with the soviets during the Cuban missile crisis, was an enemy of the military industrial complex.

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      It doesn’t even have to be a conspiracy. It’s just a group of like minded people making a ton of money.