We do have treatment for Leukemia and it has a very high success rate. The problem is the lack of people willing to register as donors.
So yes, everything good comes from god. Or rather god gave us the means to do good, that we couldn’t do without him. But it is the free will of good people that turns the ability into reality.
How does the concept apply in your eyes? Because you aren’t handed everything on a silver tablet? It is funny and sad, how the underlying entitlement in this assumption goes back to how the bad in the world does come from free will of bad actors. If people, in particular western capitalist people, would be less entitled, maybe they would realise that the ressources of the world are not for them to exploit and waste in a few generations, even more so by brutaly opressing and murdering the people they take them from.
So we get climate change as a just punishment for our greed. And if you ask, how it would be a just punishment, look at the exhaustive information we had on it. There is evidence of climate change being known to science in the 19th century already. There is now more than 50 years of knowledge and warning in the general public. And what do we do? Destroy, destroy and destroy.
But to be specific about Leukemia, particularly in young children. It is directly linked to deliberate pollution, fueled by nothing but greed. The children of Basra are suffering from Leukemia because of the depleted uranium used in American tank shells in the Guld and Iraq war. Why did they put the uranium in the tank shells? Because of their greed, making a cheap and destructive shell, while “getting rid” of the left over uranium from nuclear enrichment. Of course also many veterans and their children are suffering from the use of these weapons.
You are projecting your Stockholm Syndrome, believing the destructive greed at the core of our societies to be in your favor, when in fact it is just harming you. You cannot think entitlement without greed. And the violent rejection of some religions comes from the danger its gratitude poses to a capitalist order, reliant on everyones greed.
but I also see how people have leveraged faith as a platform to make things the way they are.
So by this logic, would you reject human rights and democracy, as they are regularly abused by western imperialism as a reason to invade countries and steal their ressources, furthering the very order you hate? Or would you consider communism or socialism an alternative, but then run into the problems of how Stalin, Mao and others used them to justify horrible crimes too?
I don’t see how the opposite is not correct: god gave us the means to do evil, that we couldn’t do without him. But it is the free will of evil people that turns the ability into reality
Is Einstein evil, for without his theory of relativity, nuclear weapons were not developed, or is he good, for he furthered physics fundamentally?
Is Antonine van Leeuwenhoek good, for his microscopic research lead to microbiology, which led to modern medicine, or is he evil, for without it, there couldn’t be weaponized anthrax?
The possibility, that something good can be used for evil, does not remove the merit of having the good in the first place. Or to put it in mathematic terms:
Plus times Plus equals Plus
Plus times Minus equals Minus
The first factor, which comes from god, is always positive. But the final outcome is determined by the second factor, which is free will.
The first factor, which comes from god, is always positive
I’m sure the babies is Sodom and Gamorah really had it coming.
I’m sure the babies of the Cannanites when Moses and the Israelites were told to genocide them really had it coming.
I’m sure all the babies that died in Noah’s Flood really, really had it coming.
You’re not going to convince anyone on an Atheist thread, because we’ve heard the dogma before and have used logic and reason to come to our own conclusion instead of blindly having faith. Ironic that you’re encouraging blind faith while trying to sprinkle logic into your argument.
Both people you mentioned are humans. According to the bible, they are both evil because all humans are born into sin.
You also cannot say all good things are from God for so so many reasons. But the most obvious one is that you don’t know god, and you don’t know their intentions. What we DO know is that either evil came into existence without God, and God isn’t powerful enough to stop it. Or god allowed it to exist. Or god created it themselves. So which one is it? Also, god has free will so why is their free will good but ours is evil?
We do have treatment for Leukemia and it has a very high success rate. The problem is the lack of people willing to register as donors.
So yes, everything good comes from god. Or rather god gave us the means to do good, that we couldn’t do without him. But it is the free will of good people that turns the ability into reality.
Are you by any chance familiar with Stockholm Syndrome?
Can you elaborate what you mean by this?
How does the concept apply in your eyes? Because you aren’t handed everything on a silver tablet? It is funny and sad, how the underlying entitlement in this assumption goes back to how the bad in the world does come from free will of bad actors. If people, in particular western capitalist people, would be less entitled, maybe they would realise that the ressources of the world are not for them to exploit and waste in a few generations, even more so by brutaly opressing and murdering the people they take them from.
So we get climate change as a just punishment for our greed. And if you ask, how it would be a just punishment, look at the exhaustive information we had on it. There is evidence of climate change being known to science in the 19th century already. There is now more than 50 years of knowledge and warning in the general public. And what do we do? Destroy, destroy and destroy.
But to be specific about Leukemia, particularly in young children. It is directly linked to deliberate pollution, fueled by nothing but greed. The children of Basra are suffering from Leukemia because of the depleted uranium used in American tank shells in the Guld and Iraq war. Why did they put the uranium in the tank shells? Because of their greed, making a cheap and destructive shell, while “getting rid” of the left over uranium from nuclear enrichment. Of course also many veterans and their children are suffering from the use of these weapons.
You are projecting your Stockholm Syndrome, believing the destructive greed at the core of our societies to be in your favor, when in fact it is just harming you. You cannot think entitlement without greed. And the violent rejection of some religions comes from the danger its gratitude poses to a capitalist order, reliant on everyones greed.
You’re on an atheist board, preaching…
I hate the greedy, destructive society we’re in, but I also see how people have leveraged faith as a platform to make things the way they are.
So by this logic, would you reject human rights and democracy, as they are regularly abused by western imperialism as a reason to invade countries and steal their ressources, furthering the very order you hate? Or would you consider communism or socialism an alternative, but then run into the problems of how Stalin, Mao and others used them to justify horrible crimes too?
I don’t see how the opposite is not correct: god gave us the means to do evil, that we couldn’t do without him. But it is the free will of evil people that turns the ability into reality
Is Einstein evil, for without his theory of relativity, nuclear weapons were not developed, or is he good, for he furthered physics fundamentally?
Is Antonine van Leeuwenhoek good, for his microscopic research lead to microbiology, which led to modern medicine, or is he evil, for without it, there couldn’t be weaponized anthrax?
The possibility, that something good can be used for evil, does not remove the merit of having the good in the first place. Or to put it in mathematic terms:
Plus times Plus equals Plus
Plus times Minus equals Minus
The first factor, which comes from god, is always positive. But the final outcome is determined by the second factor, which is free will.
I’m sure the babies is Sodom and Gamorah really had it coming.
I’m sure the babies of the Cannanites when Moses and the Israelites were told to genocide them really had it coming.
I’m sure all the babies that died in Noah’s Flood really, really had it coming.
You’re not going to convince anyone on an Atheist thread, because we’ve heard the dogma before and have used logic and reason to come to our own conclusion instead of blindly having faith. Ironic that you’re encouraging blind faith while trying to sprinkle logic into your argument.
Both people you mentioned are humans. According to the bible, they are both evil because all humans are born into sin.
You also cannot say all good things are from God for so so many reasons. But the most obvious one is that you don’t know god, and you don’t know their intentions. What we DO know is that either evil came into existence without God, and God isn’t powerful enough to stop it. Or god allowed it to exist. Or god created it themselves. So which one is it? Also, god has free will so why is their free will good but ours is evil?