All billionaires must die.
You’re a disgusting person. You read news of someone drowning in their car and your first thought is “she was rich she deserves it”
Yeah I’m not one to defend billionaires, but this place is littered with pretty cruel and inhumane attitudes. Crazy how bold people can be behind a veil of anonymity. All sense of decency and emphathy simply gone.
I hardly approach that level of hated for the likes of Putin, Cheney, or Kissinger let alone some generalized billionaire strawman.
I mean, it’s sad she is dead. But billionaires shouldn’t exist. They have been stealing our time and money for so long.
Yeah I can agree with that. No billionaire should exist especially when we have terrible rates of homelessness, especially child homelessness, let alone myriad other metrics.
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There have been a lot of very obvious rule violations on this post
You have neglected to note that the original comment violates rule 6 against celebrating death.
whoops. oh well. i’m not a mod, nor do i have any duty to be neutral. i’m just saying you shouldn’t break the rules.
All billionaires must die.
I’d rather their wealth just be redistributed, but I get the sentiment.
I don’t know why people are getting banned for saying this. i think everyone must die some day.
They should have used the Tesla Rock that broke the Tesla Trucks window
Billionaire Kryptonite recipe.
One part billionaire, one part Tesla, two parts billionaire tears. Shake well and douse with copious volumes of lake water. Chef’s kiss
Always carry a glass breaker in your car within reach of the drivers seat
My car’s headrests have a glass breaker tip at the bottom of the metal bars that you use to raise/lower them. I imagine this is standard in many modern-ish cars.
New Teslas have laminated glass, not tempered glass. It does not shatter.
WTF, how can they just make a change like that, and it get approved to be on the road?
Youtube comment,
Tesla that crashed into a pole, it was on fire, and the driver was trapped behind the laminated glass. Scary situation.
The first in crew that responded had a firefighter try to break the glass with a conventional window punch device, that didn’t work.
Then he tried smashing it with some forcible entry tools, that didn’t work either.
The driver ended up dying. It took 45 mins to extinguish the flames and 15 mins to get the car doors open.
I’ve just learned that laminated glass is now mandatory across all models since 2020.
Is laminated glass why my rented chevy bolt has so many pits? Car’s only got 7k miles on it, but when I drive toward the sun it’s like driving into a glitter storm.
I don’t know. But windshields have been laminated glass since forever.
Your previous comment stated it was 2020
Makes me think of the supposed bullet-proof cyber truck glass… Odds are much more likely you’ll be trying to escape your car than be under a hail of gunfire lol.
This is apparently a common thing across car manufacturers now.
Those aren’t glass breakers, and you probably can’t shatter the glass with those. Car windows are incredibly strong.
https://carseatblog.com/38120/mythbusters-vehicle-headrests-are-meant-to-break-vehicle-windows/
Yeah, a fully closed car side window is extremely strong. However if you’re able to crack it just a bit it is far easier to break.
Yeah, but it’s way harder under water.
I punched a window and broke it back in the day, but that was a junk car from the 80s we were destroying. And I was outside of it with all the room in the world.
Trying to do it while seated inside would have been impossible, and underwater all that pressure against the other side spread out equally makes it really umpossible. It’s basically a giant cushion that absorbs and distributes the force. If you do break it, all that water pressure is going to push it straight in your face, and chances are you’re just going to let the water in, but not create a whole big enough to climb thru. Certainly not u til your car is full of water and pressure equalizes.
If you’re worried about this enough to carry a glass breaker, take a page from the Kia boys and make sure it’s ceramic. Even steel with a point is going to be difficult. But ceramic will shatter it with almost no effort. Gotta keep on bipping
isn’t the point of breaking the door window under water to let water in, so you can open the car door once the pressure difference is equilibrated?
New Teslas have shatter-proof laminated glass.
Apparently not in door gap, trunk lid pours water into car, discharged battery can’t open rear passenger doors, Teslas.
There’s a door handle override but it’s kind of hidden. Terrible, terrible user experience.
death by own car is probably the pinnacle of poor UX.
But everyone that gets in my car for the first time manages to find it if I forget to tell them to press the button with the minus sign.
New Teslas have laminated glass, not tempered glass. It does not shatter.
So they’re death traps
Gotcha
I’ve just learned that laminated glass is now mandatory across all models since 2020.
After digging through the rule the NHTSA adopted, there’s nothing in there that mandates side glazed windows. The rule covers ejection mitigation. The summary hits the major point:
The agency anticipates that manufacturers will meet the standard by modifying existing side impact air bag curtains, and possibly supplementing them with advanced glazing. The curtains will be made larger so that they cover more of the window opening, made more robust to remain inflated longer, and made to deploy in both side impacts and in rollovers. In addition, after deployment the curtains will be tethered near the base of the vehicle’s pillars or otherwise designed to keep the impactor within the boundaries established by the performance test. This final rule adopts a phase-in of the new requirements, starting September 1, 2013.
There’s a lot of discussion in there. The document is over 300 pages. Some of it covers how the side windows can be down or could become deformed from a roll-over. For testing procedures the windows have to be pre-cracked or removed.
The Federal Registrar calls out side glazed windows in 49 CFR 571.226:
S1. Purpose and Scope. This standard establishes requirements for ejection mitigation systems to reduce the likelihood of complete and partial ejections of vehicle occupants through side windows during rollovers or side impact events.
and in 49 CFR 571.226 S4.2.1.1:
S4.2.1.1 No vehicle shall use movable glazing as the sole means of meeting the displacement limit of S4.2.1.
I anticipate that mid to higher end vehicles will have side glazed windows. While lower end vehicles will not.
Apparently it was because people’s arms (or even heads?) would hang out of the broken window when a car is rolling over at highway speeds.
If I remember the MythBusters episode your only other options are to roll down the windows immediately and then start to exit or wait for the car to completely submerge and hope the electronics that control your windows and doors haven’t failed.
I wonder how long the electronics last in the Tesla being submerged for the window to roll down.
Also, I’ve just learned that laminated glass is now mandatory across all models since 2020. Glass breakers won’t save you.
And the world becomes ever so slightly more like Atlas Shrugged again
🎉
More dead billionaires pls!
Preferably at the hands of the billions of people who suffer every day because of those evil fucks.
I’ll take the occasional billionaire freak accident death when we’re blessed with one, but we’re WAY overdue for guillotine day.
This is hilarious. More plz.
Have some humanity. I fucking hate Mitch and the GOP as much as anyone, but this seems like nothing more than a tragic accident. The woman had a family and Im grieving their loss. This sucks all around.
If you could push a button and get $1 million but a random person dies, would you push it? Billionaires are pushing that button all day every day, a many times as they possibly can
Exactly.
I would not push such a button.
I don’t think the kids who just miss their mom this morning are undeserving of my empathy no matter how much money the mom had. I can’t just turn off how I feel about this. I am sorry I made so many here angry though.
Have some humanity.
…billionaires dying is like the single best thing that can happen to humanity. More plz.
Wow this thread is a straight condemnation of Lemmy’s high-horse. It’s wild that the comment above yours is neutralized on votes and yours is so far in the negative. What did you do that was so worthy of condemnation? Express concern for another human being’s family.
Of course, people here will tell you that billionaires discount lives on daily even while they discount the lives of the loved ones of this woman. Were all of them billionaires? Perhaps. Regardless of the size of their pockets we do know that they are human.
Folks that lean left generally understand what it’s like to be caught in the circumstances of your birth. It’s incredibly telling that this self-same group finds it so easy to dismiss the value of this human life and those around her.
You’re right to be concerned for the well-being of others, and I believe I’m right to be concerned about the company we’re keeping here. It’s seemingly a group of people that will dismiss the death of someone wealthy, even while they assume the wealthy will dismiss the death of the poor. I wouldn’t say it’s entirely incorrect even though it’s just as morally bankrupt.
It’s okay. I realize lots of people are suffering and as a result tensions are high. I didn’t mean to make everyone so angry and I realize my initial comment of ‘have some humanity’ was to harsh. I’m sorry I made so many people angry with this.
I do feel bad for the people that loved this woman regardless of how much money she has. I don’t wish that pain on anyone.
Folks that lean left generally understand what it’s like to be caught in the circumstances of your birth. It’s incredibly telling that this self-same group finds it so easy to dismiss the value of this human life and those around her.
You seem to have attributed feelings of people here to one side or the other, how and why? Do you have a record of how each person leans politically?
So much online discourse I’ve seen on here is just the same as Reddit. Stripping the humanity of people you don’t like. It’s just tribalist, cringey, and narcissistic.
Not really; did you grieve for people you heard of dying in the news the other day? Grieving isn’t just being sad for a brief moment then moving on with your day.
Your empathy for unempathetic people is depressing. Stand up for yourself better.
Empathy is not the opposite of standing up for yourself, though thinking so does explain a hell of a lot of leftist politics these days.
They didn’t say it was, that’s a logical fallacy.
Depends on the context of the situation in my opinion but I understand where you are coming from. I’ve found if someone has no empathy for me. I should not return the favor to them as they’ve shown their hand. Does that make me spiteful? Probably. But I really love the quote. “Listen when someone tells you who they are”. As you can tell I’m callous and don’t have empathy for billionaires or ultra rich.
I fail to see how not having a modicum of empathy for this person’s family after their horrific death qualifies as “standing up for myself,” but do feel free to explain this worldview in detail.
This person would have no second thought at you dying in this car. Or your family. Therefor you are defending and standing up for someone who would trash you. It’s just sad to watch from the outside is all.
This person would have no second thought at you dying in this car. Or your family.
Even if this were true, are we to assume the same of this woman’s grandchildren? Her distant family?
Regardless, I fail to see the need to laugh at a terrible death, and that is certainly not standing up for anyone’s moral compass but my own.The sad state of affairs here is how far you and others like you are removed from your humanity.
I don’t recall saying you should laugh. I recall saying you shouldn’t have empathy.
Fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me. I don’t want to be the kind of person that “turns off” empathy at will.
This is hilariously stupid, like genuinely ask yourself how Rage Against the Machine would feel about a billionaire dying.
Would you consider RATM an authority on how I should feel?
I mean, fuck billionaires in any sense that actually matters. They shouldn’t get to hoard wealth while real people can’t afford housing, medical care, etc. At the same time, I refuse to laugh at a human being drowning to death. Literally nobody deserves that. I’m also morally opposed to the death penalty.
Maybe I’m just not hardcore enough.
Would you consider RATM an authority on how I should feel?
You quoted them so, maybe?
Fair enough. It’s just my opinion. 💜
She’s a fucking billionaire that spends holidays with Mitch McConnell.
No one she knows gives a single fuck about you or anyone you know.
And they’re actively hurting millions of people without a second thought.
Don’t waste your pity on someone like this
To be fair, the plea was for humanity, not billionairity. At some point this person was an infant and we’d protect and care about her then.
Yes, the inequality is atrocious and her party is cruel and ruthless about expanding it, but therein lies the catch - we’re all gonna go some day. Right? Literally at the end of it we’re all the same in that regard. (cryogenicists and brain-in-a-computer people to the left)
So I think it’s a crazy and sad story, I feel bad for the human, but the larger metaphor is ok to be temporarily amused by, imho. Y’know the problem with the French Revolution was they got really into beheading people. Children, pets, etc. Like, way more than anyone should, “even though” etc. Because if we lose that humanity we’re worse off than we are now, right?
Anyway, don’t sweat the downvotes, humanity person. It’s just people being mad about billionaires, and who isn’t?
Fuck no, zero sympathy for billionaires.
Still , it’s not something I’d be comfortable laughing about.
Meme authors are sure to help you with that; sit tight, they usually roll out pretty quick!
No. These people have absolutely no qualms about sacrificing peons like us by the millions if it makes them a few dollars more. I will not mourn human dragons, I will instead revel in their demise and scream it from the rooftops.
As seen in Isreal and the pandemic response. $$$$ is worth more than the life of minions to them. Humanity is better off without that scum.
True, they were ready to send us all back to work at the start of the pandemic, no matter how many of us died or had family members killed.
Im grieving their loss
That’s seems odd for someone you don’t know or care about at all.
I don’t know why, but it’s easy for me to imagine a person out there just grieving the loss of their mom this morning, and in turn imagining how I might feel in their shoes. It feels bad, and my heart does go out to them.
I am sorry that I made so many people here angry, but I can’t turn off how I feel about it. i stand by it.
I don’t think anyone is angry towards you. You can put yourself in their shoes but grieving is a pretty personal experience, usually because it’s someone you knew.
That’s what empathy is.
It’s an example of empathy but not what it is.
This is horrifying. A manual window breaking device that is part of the interior of the car should be standard by now. It wouldn’t be that difficult to design. This is not a Tesla exclusive problem.
I never actually thought about this, but you’re right. Wtf isn’t this a standard, and part of saftey scores?
For some cars you can remove the head rest and use the metal prongs, but it’s still probably not as good as an actual purpose built punch.
In most cars I would say use the headrest, but my assumption on that the trasla.did something dumb to make those not useful either.
Doesn’t seem there’s a tool available for breaking laminated glass. Which is also terrifying but I do understand why the DOT mandated the switch.
What a waste of life. She didn’t even get eaten.
Just remember: Musk-mobiles won’t actually turn you into a good driver and you can’t take your loot with you when you die.
“After a Friday evening celebrating Lunar New Year with close friends, Chao decided to drive back to the main house on the ranch around 11:30 p.m., the Journal reported.”
I wonder if she had been drinking.
“According to the Journal’s account, Chao told her friend that she had put her car in reverse instead of drive — a mistake she had made before — leading her to back over an embankment and into the pond.”
Tesla removed the shift stalks from X and Y models in 2021 in favor of the car guessing which direction you want to go, with the option to override on the touchscreen.
That’s crazy.
Whoever was in charge of U.S. transportation when that system got approved must feel like a real jerk right now.
You think they needed approval?
Hahahahahahahahhhaha
Yeah. Drive control systems are heavily regulated. Whether or not approval was granted after a review process is, well, unknown to me.
Of note, the secretary of transportation when this system gained approval was previously the secretary of labor under Bush and had bragged about record low OSHA violations under her tenure.
A later report found that this was achieved by OSHA not investigating violations.Whether it’s due to a lack of regulations or regulatory capture I’m pretty sure they needed as much approval as Boeing did for MCAS and Sachler for
Opiumpain killers.
Impossible. Conservatives don’t have the capacity for introspection.
Tesla removed the shift stalks from X and *S models in 2021 in favor of the car guessing which direction you want to go, with the option to override on the touchscreen.
Holy shit, I thought you were joking but that’s real.
Tesla removed the shift stalks from X and Y models in 2021 in favor of the car guessing which direction you want to go,
Holy shit, I thought you were joking. How the hell did that pass any regulatory body?
It$ a my$tery i$nt it. Fortunately we all are subject to the rule of law in this cou . . . hahahahahaha nahhh just joshin’. The rich are above the law. Everyone else needs to resort to extreme violence, apparently. That is to say, I really don’t know what the DoJ is thinking.
What is the DoJ going to do about it? Any billionaire can simply appeal until the price of an RV or some fishing trips wins your case.
That would be Model S & X. Model 3 stalks are removed in 2023/2024 Highland refresh. Model 3 Performance hasn’t been highlanded yet so that one still has stalks. Model Y hasn’t released their refresh yet so all versions of Model Y have stalks.
You’re correct. I typed Y by mistake and have edited my post. Chao was driving an X when the incident occurred.
Tesla removed the shift stalks from X and Y models in 2021 in favor of the car guessing which direction you want to go, with the option to override on the touchscreen.
…what? What in the actual fuck is going on at that place!? That is so fucking stupid and dangerous.
yea this is quite the absurd design decision.
Give me the touchscreen gear shift. It’s not that hard, and I’d rather not have the extra physical object in the car.
have fun in a lake
I’m already aware of where the manual door release is.
“We’re so confident in our self driving tech we removed the steering wheel”
Dont worry, there’s an emergency override in the trunk
Imma need that 10 minute James May video to show me how to get to it.
Hahahahahaha what the actual fuck for real.
Musk: “Trust my car, bro” Car: goes in reverse instead of forward
60% of the time, it works every time.
Billionaire do without consequence. US nothing. Iz nao.
Chao decided to drive back to the main house on the ranch around 11:30 p.m.
Ah the main house, yes. Of course. As one does.
DEBBIE: Can I ask you a question?
GRIM REAPER: What?
DEBBIE: How can we all have died at the same time? [silence]
GRIM REAPER: The Tesla!
GEOFFREY: Darling, you didn’t buy a Tesla, did you?
ANGELA: I’m most dreadfully embarrassed.
GRIM REAPER: Now the time has come. Follow. Follow me. [clunk] [bang bang bang bang bang]
GEOFFREY: Just… testing. Sorry.
Huh. It’s almost like the safety decisions of a major automobile company being at the whim of a petulant billionaire is a bad idea. Who know.
The ancient egyptians would be very cross with you if they could read that.
Lucky for them the ancient Egyptians can’t read English
If your car ever gets submerged, unbuckle your seatbelt, roll the windows down and once the water gets high enough in the car, you can open the door or climb through the window. This is pure panic from someone who should know better.
In an old car with crank windows, that’ll work. In a new car, the electrics have to still be working, and in a Tesla the OS has to still be running.
If you can’t get the windows down before the water pressure seals them shut, it’s still survivable without a glass breaker if you keep your wits about you and the car doesn’t flip. You’d need to take a deep breath right before the interior completely fills with water and then just sit there until the pressure mostly equalizes. There was at least one reported case of someone in a submerged car specifically crediting their survival to Mythbusters successfully showing just that, but a variation of the scenario involving the car flipping while sinking into deeper water later proved to be much less survivable.
Yea if it ends up on it’s side, gonna have a bad time.
Bottom door is stuck in the mud and the top door will be extra heavy to open. Ouch.
Not even that, really. Mythbusters just had the car flip upside down after entering the water and just the process of tumbling over was enough to get Adam to burn through his air and tap out (I don’t remember if the car reached the bottom or not, but their setup left the car doors still facing sideways).
Someone else in this comment thread pointed out that Tesla’s windows are laminated and not tempered so a glass break doesn’t actually work on them.
I just did a quick “fact check” as I was writing this and apparently there are multiple cars that are going to laminated glass windows. I’ll have to add that to the list of things I don’t want and have to check next time I’m shopping for a car.
I’ve just learned that laminated glass is now mandatory across all models since 2020.
Huh, me too. I appreciate your leaving this comment!
There is a mechanical emergency release on the doors. All my friends tend to find that if I don’t preemptively tell them to press the button with the minus sign.
Why are you in emergency situations in your car so often that all your friends have to know about the button?
If it’s a Tesla I believe the emergency release will break the glass if it’s fully rolled up.
It does not. I used the emergency release on my brother’s Model 3 a few times. It may do a little bit of damage to the rubber window gasket each time. This will agitate the car owner.
hidden behind the speakers.
That’s why you need to have an emergency hammer with a belt cutter inside the car. Preferably one near every seat.
I’ve just learned that laminated glass is now mandatory across all models since 2020. You won’t be able to break the glass.
I think in a car with electric motors if it were to back into a pond could still get maybe get the windows down before the 12 volt system shut down.
I’m wondering if the windows worked at that point.
Tragic way to die. I wouldn’t wish this even on my worst enemies.
We all watch the videos of how to deal with this exact situation but in reality only a few people would be able to react accordingly to save themselves.
The article describes the area of water as a “pond” but the vehicle was fully submerged. Rescuers had trouble with rescue attempts due to the depth. Seems more like a lake to me.
I appreciate this. I’m astounded by the callous lack of empathy of some of these other comments.
Being terminally online causes a huge distortion in one’s sense of empathy and justice
It’s more like not wasting energy on having empathy for someone who wouldn’t give you water if you were on fire. Just like the billionaires in that submarine. No one becomes a billionaire by being a good person. Fuck them all.
What specific thing(s) do Gates and Buffett deserve being cruelly killed over?
No one’s suggesting cruelty (Okay probably some are, but). But you see what had happen was the planet is dying and 1% of the people have 45% of the money. So. Uh. There’s a . . . it’s . . . it’s a math thing. Of course, they could give away a few billion to the Education department or the National Parks service or the EPA or Food Pantries around the - well, world really. A billion is a fantastic amount of money such that we really don’t appreciate it.
Like, if someone were to count to one billion, allowing for 3 seconds per number (they get big, like, say, 295 million,111 thousand,433 dollars) it would take one ninety five years to count to one billion. And Gates is theoretically worth one hundred and forty six times ninety five years of counting. (Fine, that’s 13,870 years)
And yet they’re not doing anything with most of it. It just sits in a computer allowing them to buy governments and raze forests. Yes, yes, sometimes they give out free vaccines to some children which is a good thing. Kudos where due.
So TL;DR we’re angry about it. The system created by the rich continues to make us fear going broke and destroy the planet. There’s lots of people who know how to fix it, but they’ll never be heard. And here we are, taking some schadenfreude from an exploded mini sub or whatever. Yes, it’s true. Which group should be more ashamed.
You are thinking too much about this. No one deserves to be cruelly killed, especially not because of how much money they have. Them having money does not affect you directly. Don’t take it so personally. Don’t put those negative thoughts in your head.
I think it’s pretty clear that a billion dollars is too much money for one person to manage correctly. That’s why reasonable people like Warren Buffett are donating all their money to charity. Above $1 billion, people start buying giant yachts and relatively ugly houses that people will forget about in 20 years. Essentially, that money is wasted.
Buffett routinely talks about money as representing little “claim checks” on the productivity of American business. He clearly believes that he doesn’t deserve the majority of his wealth because it’s mostly an accident of fate, even though he has literally “earned it” by being one of the world’s best investors. If he didn’t have opportunity growing up, he says he would be an insurance actuary.
The real problem is that many billionaires are squandering the productivity of America on frivolous garbage. Small business loans or first time homebuyer loans would be a much better use of that money. Don’t ask for them to die, that just passes the torch to their kids who may waste even more money. Ask for higher corporate taxes.
"there is no technical difference between lakes and ponds, according to the National Park Service. While the distinction between lakes and ponds can be a bit blurry, there are some general guidelines. For example, if sunlight can reach the bottom of the entire body of water, it’s generally considered a pond, according to the National Park Service. Conversely, if the body of water is deep enough in some places that sunlight cannot penetrate it, it’s generally considered a lake.
When it comes to size, though, there are no exact guidelines. Ponds are generally smaller than lakes, but there’s no universal standard. That means some things we call a pond might be considered a lake by some. And some lakes may be more pond-like to some people."
https://www.reconnectwithnature.org/news-events/the-buzz/whats-the-difference-lake-vs-pond/
A few years back, a woman drove her car into a small retaining pond off a highway and 2 of the kids in the car drowned. Everyone was amazed that a car could be completely submerged in such a small pond. Those suckers are deep!
https://www.twincities.com/2013/11/28/st-louis-park-drowning-accident-spurs-questions-about-retention-ponds/But the sun shined on them while they drowned, so…
Actually there is a definition, from my old environmental engineering textbook:
A lake is any body of water deep enough to submerge a Tesla Model S
but in reality only a few people would be able to react accordingly to save themselves.
It should frankly happen by design. Humans can’t be expected to let the water in while submerged, that takes will and under stress it’s hard to think.
Say, have pressure sensors outside which would open some small windows, I don’t know.
Wow, Teslas are better for the environment than I thought.
Top comment right here.
Aaaand it’s gone.
The mods on this community are pathetic. It wasn’t offensive in the least.
They’ve been getting worse lately.
Wow, he referenced her death in his retirement statement, but I just assumed it was age related because… well… look at them.
Always remember, if your car goes in the water, you CAN’T open your door until the pressure equalizes. You have pounds of water pushing against the door, keeping it closed.
Mythbusters went over this… Undo your seat belt and let the water IN. When there’s enough water inside, open the door.
Shortly after Mythbusters did that bit. They were directly credited with saving a trucker’s life. He crashed into a lake. His window didn’t work but he had a manual roof vent, which he was able to open to equalize the pressure. He said he would have never done that if he had seen the episode because of how scary it was to watch the water pour into his cab.
Adam Savage has said that that was the most terrifying myth they’ve tested, and I’m pretty sure even with all of their divers and support crew he thought he was going to die.
I think part of it was the fact that they used an old smoker’s car. I remember him talking about the nicotine burning his eyes and all the smoke and nicotine clouded up the water making seeing anything even more difficult.
Helicopter Egress Training they actually have you keep your seat belt(s) on until the cabin is filled with water, pressure equalized, AND door/window opened. The reason is, to push a door or window open you need a solid “foundation” and if you’re unstrapped floating in water you may only push your body away.
A road vehicle has a smaller cabin and more hand/foot holds, but I thought it worth mentioning.I think the reason they mention it is, in a car full of water, it would be an easy thing to forget, then if you get the door open, you panic because you still can’t get out.
Top gear also did this and their results were pretty much just get out of the car as soon as you know you’re going in the water.
Yes. There are three phases to going into the water. Getting out before pressure builds, waiting for pressure equalization or creating it, and getting out after pressure equalizes.
There’s a lot of situations where you will not have time to get the door open, like busting a turn rail and flying into the water. Obviously if you’re going in slowly and can’t stop it, (Like a slick boat ramp pulling a truck in.), just get out early.
Better yet, smash the front wind shield (after seatbelt is off or cut) to get out sooner
Smash anything but a windshield. I’ve needed to violently remove a windshield when replacing it (time was running out and tool shops were closed). Wearing protective glasses and pushing with both legs is what it took to somewhat loosen it, but not immediately remove it. Windshields are a multilayer structure of plastic and glass. Side windows are just glass.
The windshield won’t break like that. Only the passenger windows would break and come apart
And sometimes (Tesla) not even the passenger windows.
This is a Tesla right? Those door handles are electric, so you need to hope the cars electrics hold and not short. Or you can find the emergency release in the door pocket.
you can find the emergency release in the door pocket.
Not without some training first. They are inexplicably hidden. I imagine Elon laughing aloud when he reads of people drowning in Teslas, frantically trying to figure out how to escape.
I’ve heard they have some manual door latch backups? do you know if they’d be affected as well?
If the backups aren’t the door handles themselves, where are they located, and how many owners and passengers know about them?
They’re mechanical and hidden behind a panel
Perfect for the emergency situation where you would need them!
Luckily there’s reinforced windows that can’t easily be broken either. I wonder if the EU models are the same because I have a hard time believing that this isn’t breaking several safety regulations. This whole thing is such an ironic and frankly idiotic freak accident.
Ah I was confusing the front and rear doors. From this video it looks like it’s in the door arm rests, while the rear door is burred in the rear door pocket under a flap. Both appear to operate the latch manually so no electricity required.
There’s no way kids will be able to get out of the car if their parent is unconscious in the front seat…
Stop saying it out loud. Elon can only get so hard.
They’re completely manual. There’s a manual door latch literally right below the button you’d press inside to open it.
Pull that up & the door unlatches to open.
They’re literally designed in for emergencies.
It’s the same in the model 3, Y, & S.
I just watched the video above. I’d say it’s a criminally bad design, because the emergency open is completely hidden from the casual observer and completely blending in with the other colors and shapes of the armrest. This makes it useless in an emergency.
There is a reason why Fire extinguishers, seatbelt release buttons, emergency exit signs, emergency brakes in trains etc. are all designed in bright, red stand-out colors with big letters on them.
If anyone’s curious, it looks like you “hold the brake and swipe up” on a touchscreen area to go in drive, and “hold the brake and swipe down” to go into reverse.
So yeah, it’s not a physical shifter, though it seems pretty intuitive and simple. BUT if you’re in reverse and try to swipe up to drive(like you’d do during a 3 point turn) , you have no feedback aside from looking at the screen to let you know it actually registered your shift.
IMO this is another idiotic implementation at going cheap on physical controls or “being high tech fancy” that shouldn’t exist. It’s dumb to not have important functions give physical feedback while driving. I’m not laying most of the blame on tesla for this. It still sounds like she’s the one who really screwed herself, but I’d all but guarantee there’s going to be a lawsuit for this one, and rightly so. Fuck all this touch control crap in cars. It’s lousy enough just on the radios.
Don’t forget the fancy electric door handles that stop working when you back into a pond.
There are emergency override handles, but not everyone knows where they are or how to use them, so they’re not all that useful in an emergency.
These deadly features are purely cosmetic, so I would lay a decent amount of blame is on tesla
These deadly features are purely cosmetic
No, electronic door handles are not cosmetic, they save a lot more lives than than they kill by people drowning or burning alive in their car because they are too stupid to read their cars manual.
Since you apparently do not know this, the purpose of electronic door handles is for the car to be able to lock you out from opening the door if there is a car or bicycle approaching from behind in your blind spot. That’s why you only see them in cars with blind spot radars
That being said, Teslas design is still terrible. In Audis the electronic door handle doubles up as the mechanical emergency door handle, you just need to pull on it harder than normal and it will engage the manual mechanism
Bro, you dont need electronc door-handles to have electronic locks,
they save a lot more lives than than they kill
Do they? Can you provide any examples?
the purpose of electronic door handles is for the car to be able to lock you out from opening the door if there is a car or bicycle approaching from behind in your blind spot.
Seems like they created a lot of unnecessary risk to alleviate a relatively minor problem.
So it needs to fail open then. Without a charge it should fail into a position it can be opened or actually open itself.
This is not a new issue. Failure engineering has been around for a long time.
I love how they made the emergency door release a multi step process, which on some models recommended a flat head screwdriver or in others only is for the front doors.
A flat-head screwdriver for an emergency door O_o
How do these cars pass regulations?
When you regulate yourself, it’s easy to pass
The only regulations we have is that we’re not allowed to implement European safety features.
An exaggeration, but damn does it feel that way.
Stupid cosmetic designs have been an issue for a long time. There was a theater fire in Chicago in the early 1900’s where a bunch of people died because they couldn’t figure out how to use the fancy door handles while panicking and being crushed by everyone trying to get out. That’s the reason why exit doors on buildings with a high occupancy are now required to swing out, and have those pushbar locks that allow the door to open even if you’re just falling on it.
If it’s possible that someone will need to use something while panicking, it needs to be as simple, intuitive, and failproof as possible
Wanted to chime in and clarify, the major issue there is you cannot operate a door handle in a crush, no matter how much of your senses you have. Can’t use a door handle if you can’t use your arms. Am drunk on the internet and hope this isn’t interpreted as a hostile reply.
But isn’t the point of crash bar locks that just the act of being crushed against the door will force it open? The only thing you have to do to open it is push on it or be pushed into it. Of course that won’t help you when you fall as the door swings open and get trampled, but it’s better than everyone burning to death.
Absolutely.
If it’s possible
It’s always “possible”. In fact, it’s inevitable that an accident or emergency will happen. They happen every day. It’s clearly Tesla’s fault for having terrible controls but what else is new?
That’s why we have dedicated first responders instead of just fire hoses everywhere. Many fires can be stopped with just some baking soda or a wet towel, but non-professionals can’t be trusted to act rationally in that situation.
I’d hope that this would institute federal rules for vehicle egress and drive controls. Even if it’s only because a Richie died.
Jeep was forced to recall their confusing shifters after one crushed that actor in his driveway.
But I can also see Elon being a fucking snowflake about it and trying to whine his way out of spending any inflated investor money fixing this problem.
… and have those pushbar locks that allow the door to open even if you’re just falling on it.
Crash bars
I volunteer Elon as a test monkey. Lock him in a tesla that’s underwater and have him “engineer” <cough> his ass out of it.
He’s gotta do time at his neuralink first
If I had my way, regulations would require a physical connection for all door handles, and not just that a secondary physical release be available. I don’t know how you would go about finding injuries associated with each design as a layperson, but I bet there’s a death or two associated with each novel design.
An old man roasted in his Cadillac XLR because the battery was dead and he didn’t know where the secondary release was. I think it’s under the seat on that car. I don’t care how cool that electronic door release was, or if the old man was negligent in not knowing his exits; it wasn’t worth his life.
And let’s not forget that there are people who have flexibility issues that can’t reach under their seat in an emergency.
Or might have gained injuries during the accident preventing them from reaching.
This is why I liked driving the newer Army vehicles or well cared for Humvees. Everything was labeled. Anything important to not hit accidentally had a safety cover. And anything not obvious like an out of sight fire extinguisher has a high visibility sign pointing to it from your normal field of view.
Fuck fashion, give me cars that are comfortable and safe.
This would be at least the second time this “feature” has been tied to dying horribly.
The front driver and passenger emergency handles are so intuitively placed that every Tesla owner has to warn all their passengers not to use them.
The back is another story entirely if they even have them, but the front are fine.
Edit: I will grant people might forget after not using them for years in a moment of panic. But they know.
Anton Yelchin was also done in by a not too dissimilar feature. The gear shift of his vehicle returned to a “neutral position” after shifting so unless you looked at the letter indicator you may not realize what gear you’re in.
That’s however not a good comparison because you still have a physical “way” of feeling where you are shifting to. I never had an issue with shifters that return to neutral, even in very high stress situations.
Touch controls are however a very different thing, because you have absolutely no indication if you actually shifted or not.
In fact, Ive had various cars now with return to neutral shifters - the new Mazda CX-60/70/80/90 don’t have this and I happend to shift in neutral, simply resting my hand on the shifter…
I’m curious. In what situations do shifters need to return to neutral? Like, at a stop? Or when you open the door? Why neutral and not park, for example? Or is park also neutral in EV lingo?
“Return to neutral” does not mean neutral gear in this context. If you shift an old Prius into Drive, the shifter knob snaps back to the center of the jig, which is a neutral position for it to be in. It doesn’t stay in the Drive slot while the car is in Drive. You can probably find photos or videos of this out there somewhere.
Edit: I understand it better. Thanks. Yeah, I think that can be annoying too. You have to pay attention to the knob in order to know which gear you are in, and when it lands where you want it to land. I guess new drivers would be more comfortable with that.
Thanks for the explanation!
Thanks, but that doesn’t sound like the OP is describing, though. You’re saying that in the old Prius, you put the car in Drive and it will stay in Drive. Whereas OP seems to be implying that they put it in Drive, and then the car switched to Neutral (not Drive anymore.) Otherwise, why would anyone be annoyed by that?
My prius is like this and every once in a while if I let of the brake a touch to soon while I shift it won’t register going from drive to reverse, or the other way around. It’s annoying, but something I’m aware of. Something that never happens with a physical shifter.
I have the same annoyance with my prius. It’s a physical shifter you move, but it electronically shifts and the shifter always goes back to the same spot. If I try shifting in a hurry it won’t register every so often.
That is the worst idea ever. When I drove a snow plow I would shift from forward to reverse and back hundreds of times a storm. Without taking my eyes off my surroundings.
But bro, you’ll save like $0.87 per car by not including a physical gearshifter. Won’t anyone think of the poor shareholders footing that bill.
It’s simple but it’s not easy, because it’s complex.
If there’s anything we’ve learned in human history of engineering and design it’s that complexity kills when relying on human nature to control.
Swiping up to drive is the same direction as tap up to reverse from a previous model Tesla. Kind of like how trackpads and mouse scroll wheels work in opposite directions. I can see how it’s not so intuitive if the direction contradicts 35 years of muscle memory.
How’s that any different?
- My current Tesla has a stalk to click up/down to go into reverse/drive, but I always verify before taking my foot off the brake
- my Subaru had a physical shifter on the console to move forward or back to a specific selection , but I always verified by taking my foot off the brake
- I used to have a Pontiac with a shifter stalk on the steering wheel that I move to a specific selection, but I always verified before taking my foot off the brake
There’s over 300 people here who seem to agree with me. Then there’s you.
Even a button shift. Literally just a row of buttons, select your gear by pressing it. Reverse would be under a safety cover so you don’t hit it at 60mph.
Or, you just have logic in the car’s software that stops you from shifting to reverse over 5mph.
Don’t trust software. Just don’t. Software crashes planes. There’s no way car companies are programming better than plane companies. You can certainly have the feature, but a safety cover should also exist in such a configuration. There’s no reason, except shareholder primacy, to not include it.
Shout out to water.
Water: Killing more billionaires than anything else in recent memory.
I mean one less billionaire is probably a benefit to society but I’m sure the vast majority of her wealth stayed within the family. Likely it just made some rich people even richer.
So you’re saying the whole family needs to go? Got it.
Oh no
Anyway, I’m going to Vegas later this week to get messy with my friends for my 40th. Anyone have any recommendations for places to hit?
“Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit’ll come back with you.”
Stromboli at 4 kegs.
Super sketch building and parking lot.
Red vinyl booths and decor not updated since Elvis was a teenager truck driver.
Bartenders who’ve seen the hard times.
Open 24/7
Drinking
Smoking
Gambling
High likelihood of hepatitis A, B, C and as of yet unknown variants
And the best fucking stromboli this side of the Gambino family
Also, your first stop out of the Vegas airport should always be for early morning drinks at the Double Down Saloon. I’ll let you figure out that that gem of a property on your own.
Why would you ever pay to drink in Vegas? Head immediately to the Rite Aid and get alcohol like everyone else. Or go to any sports betting section in a casino. Drinks are free.
Golden Tiki is an excellent bar. That whole area has great food too.
And if you know anything about Meow Wolf, their third location is a short ride away. It’s called Omega Mart. It’s fine to go in drunk but it’s better to start sober and get drinks at their bar.
Anyone have any recommendations for places to hit?
There are probably a few billionaires in Vegas… hit them. The messier you make it, the stronger the message.
Ooh, good call. Too bad I’m not renting a car. How much do you think Uber will charge for the service?
Isn’t the tesla underground deathtrap in vegas?
It is!
Check out Omega Mart at Area 15
Yep! Have tickets for that already. Very excited.
