Don’t vote for any criminal with blood on his hands. Don’t vote for any open or crypto fascist. The best thing you can do for men, women, and minorities all over the world is to not support any corrupted politicians.
There’s a genocide happening right now with the support of USA government where thousands of kids already die and keep getting murdered as we speak.
We allow and are complicit in these murders for every day we stand by and let our leaders do the murdering. If another attack happens on US citizens a la 9/11 then I will not be shocked or surprised, we have it coming. It’s literally a sake of national security that we remove our current leadership from power, otherwise we’re literally inviting a retaliation with blindfolds on.
By what moral framework and reasoning within that framework are you coming to the conclusion that citizens who vote for one candidate over another are morally responsible for every individual act of that leader? I’m quite familiar with most of them, and none support that conclusion.
Alright so you don’t want to support any candidate. Open fascism takes over the country, unless you’re planning on doing something to stop it other than voting.
Or are you just going to sit around doing literally nothing while queer genocide happens around you and women are legally reduced to livestock? Are you just going to decry electoralism but waste away doing nothing instead of organizing and taking revolutionary action?
You prefer your fascism covert? That’s what we have now. And don’t go trying to use marginalized communities as human shields to defend shitty politicians and their policies if you don’t extend that same concern to other people around the world you are only concerned about the privilege the status quo provides for you.
I’m not American. Your politics just so happen to also have a massive impact on my life too. I have protested with my local Palestinian organizations in front of my local legislature several times. I have donated to their causes. I have signed petitions and sent emails to my local MPs. I am also a member of my local socialist party and protest the advancement of abortion restrictions and queer discrimination in my local area.
What have you done besides make bad arguments online about why queer people and women should just accept that the price for your little “electoral protest” is their lives?
What have you done besides make bad arguments online about why Gazans should just accept that the price for your little “electoral protest” is their lives?
I listed several things I have done in the comment you’re responding to. I’m also not advocating any kind of electoral protest. My initial comment advocated revolutionary action.
My “politics” are not supporting any corrupted criminal with blood on his hands. You are protesting against the genocide while literally begging people to vote one of the corrupted politicians behind it.
You seem the one making bad arguments because i never said women or anyone else should accept any injustice. Not voting for scum is not an “electoral protest” it’s how you are supposed to vote, assuming you are in good faith.
And I will ask you again, once more, slowly this time.
What are you, index@sh.itjust.works, planning to do that would prevent a dictatorial fascist state under a totalitarian Trump from coming to fruition? What is your plan? What do you envision will happen, materially, if you don’t vote? What is your goal, what is your aim? Are you so blind to the future that you cannot understand that your choice to abstain can itself have serious consequences? Are you equating Weimar Germany with the Nazi state? Do you not see the differences between those 2 things?
Queer people don’t have the luxury of abstaining. A fascist Trump state would be death. It would mean we would die. It is unacceptable to allow that outcome. So what are you doing to prevent it?
Joe Biden is a genocider. He has armed, funded, and protected genociders. I’m not arguing that. If you’ll re-read my original comment, my whole comment is a critique of people saying "vote for Biden anyway but don’t agitate or try and start a revolution that would actually change this broken system:.
What are you, index@sh.itjust.works, planning to do that would prevent a dictatorial fascist state under a totalitarian Trump from coming to fruition?
I’m not supporting or encouraging others to support red or blue party to begin with. Red and blue have been ruling the US for almost a century cycling in power and ruling as one. When people point out that both sides are the same they are also highlighting that regardless of the red/blue side in power government policies barely change. Many of the key people working for the government get recycled regardless of their party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland
If you are so worried about the fascist state that could come to fruition you should be worried right now about the fascist state we already have.
Are you equating Weimar Germany with the Nazi state? Do you not see the differences between those 2 things?
Read history, one of the many things that got 1920 fascists consent among the population was advertising themself as a better solution than bolsheviks and communists. Propaganda never changes, you are promoting a corrupted politicians with blood on his hands.
Queer people don’t have the luxury of abstaining.
Thousand of kids in gaza don’t have the chance to live anymore, let alone any luxury.
If you want people to vote there are other parties than red and blue you can promote.
Firstly, I’m neither a liberal nor a support of the Democrat party. I never said I was. I’m also not promoting Joe biden. I spend half my time arguing with people who legitimately do on this website. Re read my first comment. I’m advocating for revolution.
Are you equating Trump with communists and bolsheviks like what are you talking about? If I showed you a picture of Weimar Germany and a picture of Nazi Germany, would you seriously say that they’re the same picture? Would you tell a Jewish man in Weimar Germany you’re abstaining from the vote and also not going to do literally anything while Nazis come to power and commit genocide against them because “nazi germany and weimar germany are the same”? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Thousands of dead kids who you have done nothing to help nor will ever do anything to help it seems. Sounds good fam do whatever you want. If the queers get culled in the streets I guess that just doesn’t fucking matter to you. Some leftist you are. Call back when you have any actual solution besides “don’t vote and do nothing else”.
You dont want a revolution, and you believe that voting for a third candidate will do literally anything, so you arent anti-electoral, and you yourself do literally nothing to help anyone except posturing online about why killing us is fine why thats fine youre fine with someone showing up to our homes and fucking shooting us because at least you can stick it to the fucking man or whatever the fuck you tell yourself. Fuck off.
You’re acknowledging that an open fascist government could waltz the fuck in and you’ll do nothing about it. Are you an accelerationist? Are you hoping for a fascist takeover?
Yes you are, you are begging people to vote for him.
You seem confused, you accuse people of things they never said.
Elections aren’t choosing between a color or another, that’s what propaganda wants to make you believe. You are doing no good to anyone by supporting and working for corrupted criminal liars who crave only for wealth and power. Invest same of your time researching who the politicians you are promoting are and what are their affiliations.
Can you not admit though that it is a bad look for Democrats when they push a pro-genocide candidate and act like there are no better options to defeat fascism, and then say… you either get what you get or you get total fascism.
Israel is committing the genocide. Biden should change US policy, but he is pressing Israel for a ceasefire. He isn’t Israel and doesn’t set their war agenda, contrary to how fake lefties and useful idiots talk on the internet. In addition to awful, Israel is also being stupid and doing exactly what HAMAS wants imo, its bloodshed turning the world against them understandably. I just don’t understand why people act like Biden is in control or the one to blame…its fucking idiotic.
I am shocked that more people don’t see the campism on this site laid bare with the way “the left” apparently believes that Joe Biden is in charge of the Israeli military.
Yes, I am not a Democrat. I do not support the Democrat party, nor do I support electoralism and western democracy. I am ideologically opposed to the existence of the state, and a devote socialist.
Joe Biden is a bastard. He is a zionist. I do not support him on any level. I am only saying to vote for him as opposed to an openly fascist state.
Don’t vote for any criminal with blood on his hands. Don’t vote for any open or crypto fascist. The best thing you can do for men, women, and minorities all over the world is to not support any corrupted politicians.
There’s a genocide happening right now with the support of USA government where thousands of kids already die and keep getting murdered as we speak.
We allow and are complicit in these murders for every day we stand by and let our leaders do the murdering. If another attack happens on US citizens a la 9/11 then I will not be shocked or surprised, we have it coming. It’s literally a sake of national security that we remove our current leadership from power, otherwise we’re literally inviting a retaliation with blindfolds on.
By what moral framework and reasoning within that framework are you coming to the conclusion that citizens who vote for one candidate over another are morally responsible for every individual act of that leader? I’m quite familiar with most of them, and none support that conclusion.
Alright so you don’t want to support any candidate. Open fascism takes over the country, unless you’re planning on doing something to stop it other than voting.
Or are you just going to sit around doing literally nothing while queer genocide happens around you and women are legally reduced to livestock? Are you just going to decry electoralism but waste away doing nothing instead of organizing and taking revolutionary action?
You prefer your fascism covert? That’s what we have now. And don’t go trying to use marginalized communities as human shields to defend shitty politicians and their policies if you don’t extend that same concern to other people around the world you are only concerned about the privilege the status quo provides for you.
What are you doing as a genocide is happening right now in gaza where thousand of kids are getting murdered?
I’m not American. Your politics just so happen to also have a massive impact on my life too. I have protested with my local Palestinian organizations in front of my local legislature several times. I have donated to their causes. I have signed petitions and sent emails to my local MPs. I am also a member of my local socialist party and protest the advancement of abortion restrictions and queer discrimination in my local area.
What have you done besides make bad arguments online about why queer people and women should just accept that the price for your little “electoral protest” is their lives?
I listed several things I have done in the comment you’re responding to. I’m also not advocating any kind of electoral protest. My initial comment advocated revolutionary action.
My “politics” are not supporting any corrupted criminal with blood on his hands. You are protesting against the genocide while literally begging people to vote one of the corrupted politicians behind it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_2023_Israel–Hamas_war
You seem the one making bad arguments because i never said women or anyone else should accept any injustice. Not voting for scum is not an “electoral protest” it’s how you are supposed to vote, assuming you are in good faith.
And I will ask you again, once more, slowly this time.
What are you, index@sh.itjust.works, planning to do that would prevent a dictatorial fascist state under a totalitarian Trump from coming to fruition? What is your plan? What do you envision will happen, materially, if you don’t vote? What is your goal, what is your aim? Are you so blind to the future that you cannot understand that your choice to abstain can itself have serious consequences? Are you equating Weimar Germany with the Nazi state? Do you not see the differences between those 2 things?
Queer people don’t have the luxury of abstaining. A fascist Trump state would be death. It would mean we would die. It is unacceptable to allow that outcome. So what are you doing to prevent it?
Joe Biden is a genocider. He has armed, funded, and protected genociders. I’m not arguing that. If you’ll re-read my original comment, my whole comment is a critique of people saying "vote for Biden anyway but don’t agitate or try and start a revolution that would actually change this broken system:.
I’m not supporting or encouraging others to support red or blue party to begin with. Red and blue have been ruling the US for almost a century cycling in power and ruling as one. When people point out that both sides are the same they are also highlighting that regardless of the red/blue side in power government policies barely change. Many of the key people working for the government get recycled regardless of their party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland
If you are so worried about the fascist state that could come to fruition you should be worried right now about the fascist state we already have.
Read history, one of the many things that got 1920 fascists consent among the population was advertising themself as a better solution than bolsheviks and communists. Propaganda never changes, you are promoting a corrupted politicians with blood on his hands.
Thousand of kids in gaza don’t have the chance to live anymore, let alone any luxury.
If you want people to vote there are other parties than red and blue you can promote.
Firstly, I’m neither a liberal nor a support of the Democrat party. I never said I was. I’m also not promoting Joe biden. I spend half my time arguing with people who legitimately do on this website. Re read my first comment. I’m advocating for revolution.
Are you equating Trump with communists and bolsheviks like what are you talking about? If I showed you a picture of Weimar Germany and a picture of Nazi Germany, would you seriously say that they’re the same picture? Would you tell a Jewish man in Weimar Germany you’re abstaining from the vote and also not going to do literally anything while Nazis come to power and commit genocide against them because “nazi germany and weimar germany are the same”? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Thousands of dead kids who you have done nothing to help nor will ever do anything to help it seems. Sounds good fam do whatever you want. If the queers get culled in the streets I guess that just doesn’t fucking matter to you. Some leftist you are. Call back when you have any actual solution besides “don’t vote and do nothing else”.
You dont want a revolution, and you believe that voting for a third candidate will do literally anything, so you arent anti-electoral, and you yourself do literally nothing to help anyone except posturing online about why killing us is fine why thats fine youre fine with someone showing up to our homes and fucking shooting us because at least you can stick it to the fucking man or whatever the fuck you tell yourself. Fuck off.
You’re acknowledging that an open fascist government could waltz the fuck in and you’ll do nothing about it. Are you an accelerationist? Are you hoping for a fascist takeover?
Yes you are, you are begging people to vote for him.
You seem confused, you accuse people of things they never said.
Elections aren’t choosing between a color or another, that’s what propaganda wants to make you believe. You are doing no good to anyone by supporting and working for corrupted criminal liars who crave only for wealth and power. Invest same of your time researching who the politicians you are promoting are and what are their affiliations.
You’re gonna have to be more specific, fella. There isn’t a single politician on this shitty rock who doesn’t have blood on their hands.
Can you not admit though that it is a bad look for Democrats when they push a pro-genocide candidate and act like there are no better options to defeat fascism, and then say… you either get what you get or you get total fascism.
Israel is committing the genocide. Biden should change US policy, but he is pressing Israel for a ceasefire. He isn’t Israel and doesn’t set their war agenda, contrary to how fake lefties and useful idiots talk on the internet. In addition to awful, Israel is also being stupid and doing exactly what HAMAS wants imo, its bloodshed turning the world against them understandably. I just don’t understand why people act like Biden is in control or the one to blame…its fucking idiotic.
I am shocked that more people don’t see the campism on this site laid bare with the way “the left” apparently believes that Joe Biden is in charge of the Israeli military.
Probably because he keeps sending them weapons while condemning what they’re doing with those weapons.
Yes, I am not a Democrat. I do not support the Democrat party, nor do I support electoralism and western democracy. I am ideologically opposed to the existence of the state, and a devote socialist.
Joe Biden is a bastard. He is a zionist. I do not support him on any level. I am only saying to vote for him as opposed to an openly fascist state.