None of these companies are worried about me when they jack their prices up while people are struggling. I don’t know why I would ever give a shit about them. I’m just here to buy moisturizer and stay in my lane.
Theft does make prices go up though, you know? It also makes stores close in underserved communities.
See you’re assuming they wouldn’t jack up the prices even without theft, as someone who studied business it’s literally taught to see how far you can push before the breaking point. line go up. It does suck in undeserved communities but there’s not much we can do, people in those communities often vote against their best interest.
The breaking point, though, is the point when consumers will look to alternatives, e.g. a different store. As long as there are other options available, competition does usually do a decent job of keeping prices down.
And companies in a free market would never, ever collude to keep prices high in the face of that very competition you think will keep prices down, right? In fact that’s exactly what we’re seeing right now, is prices being kept down by the absolutely healthy competition in the Canadian grocery market, right?
Look collusion is a thing, but it’s illegal. Grocery stores, even the big chains in the US anyways are pretty cutthroat, they aren’t making huge profits they’re fighting to survive vs Amazon and the like. Anyways my point is that the claim that costs don’t affect prices (and therefore losses from theft don’t affect prices) is just silly.
if the community couldn’t afford it, they were being exploited not served. dont pretend these people are being supported by these corporations.
if the prices go up, you should steal too. market pressures, babe.
if this isnt sustainable, then let’s build guillotines and do something else.
Prices go up regardless of wage increases or thefts. Prices are coupled with only one thing and that is corporate greed.
It also makes stores close in underserved communities.
That is corporate PR bullshit that you swallowed hook, line and sinker.
Cool, still not my problem. They can hire people to care about it, I’m not ratting people out. And let’s be real, a lot of those companies lie and blame theft for higher prices and store closures and then it turns out they’re actually full of crap. Target got caught doing that like 5 minutes ago.
Here is some of the Loblaws grocery store markup that was leaked.
The figures in the screenshot are too small to see clearly, so I found an article that has the full-size copy of each page: https://thedeepdive.ca/selling-butter-at-54-profit-leaked-docs-show-loblaws-exorbitant-markups/
Bless you.
Look at Mr Moneybags over here, buying moisturizer.
Leredditor joke
devils advocate: what if that person stealing a sandwich turned out to be convicted murderer Robert Durst
On November 30, Durst was caught inside a Wegmans supermarket in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, after trying to shoplift Band-Aids, a newspaper, and a chicken salad sandwich, despite having $500 in cash in his pocket.
The answer is a most definite nope.
Ok, if you see Robert Durst stealing a sandwich, report him immediately. Otherwise, don’t.
What if I see him murdering someone?
Okay but for all you know he could be murdering a child murderer
Give him a sandwhich?
give him two, he’ll have to do the murder with his feet til he finishes one. might give the victim the opportunity they need.
Have we considered that maybe he murdered because he had low blood sugar?
He wasn’t just stealing food. If someone needs food, you look the other way. But non-essentials? That’s a different story.
A sandwich feeds you for half a day, a gucci bag can feed someone for a week. Or at least enable someone to buy other essentials like diapers that are much harder to steal.
a gucci bag can feed someone for a week
Hard disagree. Shoes would taste better.
I’d be much less inclinded to get involved with a murderer
I am less inclined to confront an actual murderer. So my answer is nope and noper.
Then I sure as fuck don’t want to risk a confrontation with a murderer over a supermarket sandwich
I didn’t what ?
Shit if they’re stealing a TV from major corporate retailer that has pushed out all the local competition: I didn’t see that shit, either.
You think you’re hurting the corporation, but you’re hurting its employees. If a location becomes unprofitable because of too much theft, it just closes, and now all those people are out of a job because of entitled thieves’ greed.
Also, the formula is locked up because people steal it to turn a profit fencing it, not to feed anyone who needs it out of the goodness of their heart.
It’s not the thieves fault that people need to sell their soul to a corporation to live.
But it is the thieves fault when shrinkage causes them to have no job at all. Prioritizing your selfish, greedy desire to steal over their well-being is all you’re doing, and it’s reprehensible.
Those people being out of a job could very well be a blessing in disguise. If you work in retail long enough, you know what this means.
Oh yeah, I agree. Those “jobs” they provide are burden on the taxpayers, as well as driving out small businesses.
Those people being out of a job could very well be a blessing in disguise.
I’d bet anything you don’t have the guts to say this horseshit to one of their faces.
He doesn’t have to. I worked in retail before and I felt like celebrating after I quit.
Ahh yes moral licensing. The finest of ethical theories…
The rest of us proceed forward, and you are ignored, as usual. 😎
When there are no real arguments to support your dribble 🙄😬
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The health and baby stuff sections are like “am I even in the same store?”
I agree with the titties.
All glory to the hypno tits!
I’m not in a position to tell if someone can afford to eat. They might look like they’re employed or be dressed expensively, but people can fall on hard times suddenly
So I’m not going to report anyone for anything except crimes against individuals
Thats what food banks are for. Theft is illegal and unethical.
Let’s see… I’m starving and impoverished. I could steal some fresh, nutritious food or I could go to the food bank and have an expired can of creamed corn.
You’re right, food bank.
You can forage food for free.
Do tell me where to forage food in February in the Midwest.
It’s the end of April.
It’s always April? Like, always?
And?
Choosing beggar hypothetical.
Hypothetical? I take it you’ve never gotten food from a food bank.
Sounds a lot like projection… How many times have you gotten food from a food bank? Very curious to know 🙂
Have you? Every food bank I’ve been to has given fresh or frozen fruits and vegetables.
Let me go check my ‘how many times in my life have I eaten food from a food bank’ tally to make sure I have an accurate count and get back to you.
Ahh so you will avoid the question. Good one buddy
Yes stealing food is unethical. If someone steals your food you should take it right back off them.
That’s why I do all my shoplifting at the duopoly stores that are currently under government investigation for wage theft and price gouging… and not the community grocer who isn’t stealing from the public.
how is stealing from a corporation unethical exactly.
What if they are stealing from a mom and pop farmers market?
i presume u are admitting that stealing from a corporation is ethical then?
On a grand scale: That’s what states are for. On a personal scale: If states let people go hungry, don’t make their life harder than it already is, don’t be an asshole.
The only way you think stealing to live is unethical is if you value property more than life.
In modern society, stealing is almost never “to live”, and even when it is, there are many other options to get food.
Also, stealing is unethical either way, the question is whether that unethical action can be morally justified in the balance (due to the alternative being more objectionable).
Letting people starve is worse, throwing food and faking shortages to raise prices should be punished by death.
I agree as long as the death part is a joke
If they’re shoplifting, I’m shoplifting.
Its only fair.
Nobody disagrees.
Here it’s often junkies stealing expensive meats and cheese to sell. I probably wouldn’t say anything but I don’t really give a shit if they get caught either.
Who is buying expensive meats and cheeses from a junkie? That doesn’t add up.
Have you never been approached by a weird dude at a gas station who is selling “fresh” meat out of a cooler in the trunk of his car?
We live in very different places. (Not sarcasm, this has happened to me about a dozen times)
Lol no absolutely not, I would be so weirded out by that situation.
Trunk meat is usually 50% of the sticker price around me, and tide pods are $5 a bag.
Make friends with a “booster” and you can even get custom orders, lol.
Please tell me where you live lol this is so fucking weird
Rural America
Edit: not op, this is just where I’ve seen stuff like this happen
Other junkies, alkies, people they have debt to. Often used in lieu of money since they’ve already spent it.
It’s a thing. I’ve been (am still) around enough junkies that I’ve had some debts paid in premium meat and cheese. I didn’t even think it might sound weird to some, I’m just so used to it hah.
Huh that’s a trip man I’d never have thought. I guess people are smart enough to understand value versus weight and that shit is some of the highest value per pound at the grocery store.
It’s also something that’s available in a lot of stores so you get many places to try your luck in. And they aren’t as hard to steal as electronics and they aren’t next to the cashiers like some higher value stuff. And meat and cheese is something that is an easy sell to a lot of people, since it’s not very specific at all. I don’t have a use for a new electric toothbrush but sure I guess I could eat some really good steaks.
My local store got some alarm things on more expensive meat and cheeses because it got so bad. Felt so weird seeing it the first time.
yes i did
I see people stealing food all the time at my work, I just give them a nod and mind my own fuckin business, I just want to go home.
believe it or not, but i have absolutely 0 Problems with that. If you wanna do that, then please do it.
But i won’t do the same.
Watch out boys, we got a narc here
The Kroger Company thanks you. They wouldn’t have made that $150 billion revenue without someone like you stopping a hungry man from stealing a loaf of bread.
well, isn’t that nice of them?
Tell them i said hi.
Why would I do that? They don’t care that you exist. It was the sort of thank you they put up on a sign at the exit.
u wouldn’t understand since u survive entirely on what u lick of corporate boots
If you see someone shoplifting, remember it isn’t your job to deal with it, stores pay security for that. getting involved is providing free labor to the company, and they get enough of that through wage theft.
Wage theft is a widely discredited concept in modern economics. Mostly thrown around by marginal actors who don’t know of a better argument.
How to make food deserts 101
Surprise - They were planning to abandon it from the beginning!
Why would a business abandon a profitable location?
Never snitch ever.
About 10 years ago there was this guy that killed his gf in my neighborhood. I heard the gunshot go off while watching the daily show and I just kept watching TV. It wasn’t my business to find out what was going on.
And do you think your neighborhood is a better place to live in now? Do you think the gf’s family agrees with your inaction as a social good?
I mean it is a better place. Gentrification and all.
LOL I am out of microblog memes, seems like too many people here (for my taste at least) coming up with excuses to entirely forgive crimes no matter the context.
That’s the point of microblogging. You don’t have to think about what you’re upvoting for any longer than it takes to read a sentence.
When you’re bootlicking, do you prefer the texture or taste of the boot? Or do you like both equally? Genuinely curious
It’s amazing how ironic and reactionary this is :)
So it’s really more about the humiliation. Gotcha. Well, I don’t kinkshame, so you do you lol
Then I am.definetely in the wrong place.
PS: i did call someone a bootlicker recently after their unwavaring support for Zionism and after about 3-4 months into discussions with them after they showed blind loyalty to Israel (a country they are not even from)
But you are calling me a “bootlicker” for refusing to “break Nazi’s arms unprovoked and at random encounters to ‘keep the community clean’” and because I suggested that inflicting trauma on Nazis might cause them to be even more radicalized and cause more harm to the world… or in the case of this post here, you are calling me a bootlicker for wanting to report people who don’t even look poor to the police for robbing my local grocery store… dude. These absolutes are so fucking dumb… “I will report all thefts no matter what” is just bad as an absolute as “I will not report any”.
The only two people in my life who were actively shoplifting never needed to. They did it to “game the system”. I should of course not take this personal experience and derive sweeping conclusions from it. What people need is proper social wellfare so that they never have to shoplift and you never have to make a point about not reporting them.
Anyway, what I’m saying is that you’d be better off not being reactionary in your responses. I don’t know you, you don’t know me, but I think of you did, you wouldn’t call me a bootlicker or whatever else.
Both sides bad hurrdurrrrduhhhh 🤡
Only if you consider '“both sides” to be pushed all the way to the extreme, I guess.
What?
I’ve watched people shoplift food several times, and they weren’t poor people just looking to eat. I watched someone run out of a M&S store and into an awaiting car with a huge bag full of meat around Christmas time, probably several hundred pounds worth.
If someone was stealing a loaf of bread or something for themselves, I didn’t see a thing, but let’s not pretend that people aren’t stealing to make some money. Lots of people steal stuff to resell, or because they’re just dicks…
let’s not pretend that people aren’t stealing to make some money
When you rob one grocery store of a 10 lb brisket, its called shoplifting.
But when you rob every grocery store of 10% of their net revenue, its called paying your shareholders a dividend.
You can give a shit about two things at once. Imagine that lol.
Both the mountain and the mole hill are important features of the landscape
For sure. And the mountain is a big one. But when you’re talking about moles digging up your garden, someone pointing to the mountain and telling how that’s much bigger than the molehills doesn’t seem that relevant.
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There will always be people that’ll miss the point, as some of the replies show…
If you’re nicking stuff M&S it can’t just be any theft
Yeah, to be fair I feel like I’ve been robbed any time I get lunch there…
Don’t really care about some corporations losing out on their margins after nickel and diming everyone as high as they possibly can. Especially if the end result is someone or multiple people eating.
Here they’ve had shittier protections against shoplifting, no bags to shops and whatnot because junkies kept stealing expensive meats and cheese to sell. It sucks. Here they’re even given money to live on, housing, free food and whatnot. Hasn’t stopped it.
junkies
What a disgusting dehumanizing term. Drug addiction is a much greater issue that needs more than reactionary remarks and actions to solve. A good number are literally that desperate for money because they’ll literally die from withdrawals without whatever it is they’re addicted to. And so long as they’re being non-violent then I empathize with their struggle.
Again, I don’t at all care about some large corporate store getting stolen from. Actions like banning bags and whatnot mean little in the face of human suffering.
Narkomaani -> narkkari, narkkari -> junkie. For me it’s a shorthand rather than an attempt to make them feel bad about it.
A good number are literally that desperate for money because they’ll literally die from withdrawals without whatever it is they’re addicted to
We have fairly extensive benefits programs (money, housing, programs for addiction, mental health, many sorts) but the thing about drug addiction is that it drains all the money you have. That’s why so often addicts are also stealing stuff to get more money for drugs. Sucks for them but also sucks for others who get their shit stolen. Especially bikes get stolen a lot by junkies. And sucks that because of the stealing some stores are having harder time justifying the expenses, which can lead to shops closing. I don’t think it’s ever been the sole reason here but it has been one of the reasons.
Again, I don’t at all care about some large corporate store getting stolen from. Actions like banning bags and whatnot mean little in the face of human suffering.
It sucks as a shopper that things are worsening because of stealing. And it’s a co-op I was thinking of so it’s not really that sort of faceless corporation. I just voted in the co-op elections, actually.
It would be easier to empathize if they were stealing to eat instead of getting more money for drugs. Or if we had the US style system where benefits and social programs barely exist. But that’s not the case.
If people are stealing for drugs then it means that the system in place isn’t meeting their current needs. The problem for a lot of addicts is that they either steal and cheat for drugs or die. Withdrawals literally have the capability to kill addicts. I don’t believe in any circumstance we should be holding money ahead of human lives.
It’s a shame when people are stolen from, but it’s a tragedy when people die. And a system that doesn’t allow an avenue for actual recovery is a failed system.
If people are stealing for drugs then it means that the system in place isn’t meeting their current needs.
I don’t know what I’d honestly add on top of what we now have in Finland. Housing, money, food programs, clean needles, addiction programs, programs to manage your life, all sort of stuff. What would you change or add?
The problem for a lot of addicts is that they either steal and cheat for drugs or die. Withdrawals literally have the capability to kill addicts.
We have free replacement drugs available to addicts. So you could get that for your withdrawals without having to steal. But many steal instead. Not sure how I’d change the system to get them to pick the replacement drugs instead of stealing.
And a system that doesn’t allow an avenue for actual recovery is a failed system.
What about the system in Finland doesn’t allow for actual recovery?
Drugs in general are still illegal to possess and use under Finnish law. You need to decriminalize drug use before you can actually tackle it since it’s a health/psychology issue when it comes to the individual.
It’s hard to seek out proper help when you’re worried that you’ll be arrested/fined just for being an addict.
This isn’t Robin Hood. These are two guys that clearly wanted to steal food at a peak time to sell it elsewhere. The same number of people are eating, possibly less so because these guys are probably flogging their stolen shit in a pub somewhere and will likely dump what they can’t sell.
This place is so weird sometimes. I don’t know if it’s a Lemmy or American thing, but this kind of stuff is pretty common in the UK…
Grocery stores dump hundred of pound of still edible food into the garbage each and every day. And no one is eating less because of thefts from the grocery store. The main reason people are starving right now is because their grocery bill spiked and extra $100-200 for absolutely no reason other than pure greed that they were able to blame on “inflation”.
Your problem isn’t with the addicts, its with the system that is ever antagonistic towards its people. Addicts can be hard people to deal with, but they’re still people. Now obviously if they’re acting violently there’s no excuse for action like that. But if they’re just taking food why should I care?
but let’s not pretend that people aren’t stealing to make some money.
Perhaps it’s safe to say they’re poor. Poor people often don’t have enough money. Still sounds like a job of desperation.
Desperation to avoid getting a real, legal job.
“avoid”
Please, cut the crap. I’ve seen the subreddit and the Tumblr tags, I know you thieves aren’t broke, and aren’t stealing necessities. And you guys can’t even help but expose yourselves anyway, unable to resist encouraging the theft of even high-end luxury items.
The irony is that you try to rationalize it as ‘I’m only hurting the Big Bad Soulless Corporation’, but the fact is that you’re not hurting it, you’re hurting the people who work there to survive, people who probably are much closer to being broke than you are. If shrinkage gets too high, a location isn’t just going to hang around not profiting, it’ll get closed.
And then, of course, people like you will complain about the food desert that now exists in that area, completely unironically, because you’re just that far gone.
It’s amazing, isn’t it, that there are people out there who think that poor people enjoy it for the benefits…
Please, everyone knows the vast majority of you thieves and those cheering them on aren’t even poor, you’re just immoral scumbags who feel entitled to the things you steal. I’ve seen the subreddit, I’ve seen the Tumblr tags. You’re not fooling me, trying to mix yourselves in with those stealing because they have no other way to survive.
Very immoral, unlike those huge moral corporations who just want what’s best for everyone…
The irony is that you try to rationalize it as ‘I’m only hurting the Big Bad Soulless Corporation’, but the fact is that you’re not hurting it, you’re hurting the people who work there to survive, people who probably are much closer to being broke than you are. If shrinkage gets too high, a location isn’t just going to hang around not profiting, it’ll get closed.
You believe in “welfare queens,” don’t you?
You don’t know that the person owned the car. Breed is not nutrients rich. People can’t live on breed.
What the fuck are you talking about? They literally ran into a getaway car with their friend to leave the scene of the crime as fast as they could. You don’t steal hundreds of pounds of meat at Christmas because “you need nutrients”…
I knew a very good looking girl, she was a student while I did my B.Sc. her parents paid for her studies but nothing more. She managed to work enough to rent a very basic place.
However, she had no problem asking people for a ride, or to take their car for a ride. She would than shoplift a lot of food, including high quality ingredients. If something went wrong she smiled and cried her self out of the troubles.
And the stolen food? she cooked a lot and gave away most of it.
People are weird, and you don’t know what’s going in other people’s lives. Is it possible they are trying to make profit on the back of others? Yes, can it be something else? Yes.
Somehow I managed to work enough hours in college to afford both food and rent. Imagine that.
There is more than one country on Earth, different regions within a county may offer different number of available jobs and some people have different capabilities due to health issues. Imagine that.
Who cares lmao
I watched someone run out of a M&S store and into an awaiting car with a huge bag full of meat around Christmas time, probably several hundred pounds worth.
And yet Google tells me that M&S has a revenue of £11.93 billion.
So why are you caring about them losing a few hundred of that?
Because others can’t buy meat because some bellends wanted to steal it to sell during Christmas?
I don’t give a fuck about M&S losing profit. I do give a fuck about obvious crime that puts people out…
Are you unaware of the amount of meat that gets thrown out by grocery stores? In the US, it’s billions of pounds a year.
I highly doubt they ran out of the store with an amount that did more than make someone’s job easier that night, or force someone to pivot their dinner to a different cut of meat.
Like, I get it. I do. It’s a lot of money, and it’s against the law. But the idea that someone is going to go hungry because of the action is ridiculous.
Unless you live where I do, where people steal mass amounts of junk food from convenience stores and then resell it at the nighttime markets to our struggling, marginalized, population of unhoused folks at an exploitative mark-up.
Because that is actively harming me, and the community I live in.
Though even with all that, confronting or reporting them isn’t helpful. But if asked, and I saw it, I would say so.
Why dont those people just buy the food from the Store ?
Stores close and you can’t get fentanyl at those stores as easily.
nah still fine. if its cheaper than corpo prices, and nobody but corporate ghouls loses, why risk hurting someone over that?
They sell it at higher prices to the mentally ill and drug addicted people who are at those markets which are usually referred to as “open air drug markets.” I don’t like that term but it may give you reference to how this harms the community, though.
what’s wrong with drugs?
They mentioned “exploitative mark-up”. They arent cheaper, they are just more convenient.
yeah that’s not great, but also, these are people the stores wouldn’t allow in in the first place? so while shitty, its not worse for them.
Hey, this is a thread about supporting shoplifters not price gougers.