Don’t count your hens I remember when all the consoles had backwards compatibility, until they didn’t.
Every PlayStation generation had backwards compatibility followed quickly by a cheaper “slim” version without it.
The PS2 and PS5 slim versions didn’t mess with backwards compatibility, just the PS3 and PS4.
Thanks for the correction. I typically avoided the slim versions myself.
What backwards compatibility did the original PS4 have?
Honestly, i wouldn’t have expect anything different. Any lack of back-compatibility would have been a suicide move.
Switch going to be conservative, meanwhile the deck clones are going all out. Wonder how those will run switch 2 emulators.
They will probably use some version of DLSS that’s hard to emulate.
Then we just disable it, and run the DLSS natively.
Emulators will just run at higher resolutions instead of blurry upscaling anyway.
Wonder how those will run switch 2 emulators.
Well, considering Nintendo is on a war path and legally threatening emulator devs, I doubt anyone will even attempt a Switch 2 emulator.
I’d put everything I own and my literal life betting someone will make one. It’s happened for literally everything else, the switch 2 won’t be different.
Would be hard going after devs that don’t blatantly make money off it like Yuzu did. Would also be pretty hard going after anonymous devs not using US based version control or just private. Lot of countries don’t care about DMCA either. Yuzu was just very stupid but Nintendo in the worst case isn’t all powerful either.
Cemu doesn’t seem to have a problem with profitability. The litigation was about circumvention of encryption and blatant piracy advocation.
You underestimate how masochistic Nintendo fans are.
They will be working, Ninjas be damned.
Yuzu is still going. Shit got forked thousands of times the whole week leading up to the takedown. If the Nintendorks think that shit is dead, they have missed the entire point of open source.
They just made working on Yuzu more annoying, even discord was taking stuff down. But it’s not like discord alternatives like matrix don’t exist. Version control even more so.
I forked it on GitHub, GitLab, two private git servers, and Google Drive lmao. Shit isn’t going anywhere.
I regularly emulate Switch games on my RoG Ally Z1E, and it pulls it off so fucking well, I haven’t touched my Switch since I got the thing (it easily runs every title I’ve thrown at it at 60fps+higher res, plus I have the ability to mod games if I need to.)
I can’t imagine it’ll be too difficult for them to emulate Switch 2 games, assuming Nintendo don’t catch on to emulation developers too early.
Kind of tangential, but can you do local multiplayer when emulating the switch on a steam deck. Like can you have a 4 player Mario kart game?
I don’t see why you couldn’t. Just connect multiple controllers and configure accordingly.
Sure. Just need to use some external controllers obviously.
It probably won’t work to do local multiplayer with multiple consoles easily.
Ryujinx has an LDN build for that.
Honestly I’ll “take” a low power switch 2 with the expectation of eventually emulating it with enhancements.
Full backward compatibility is definitely great to see, if it didn’t have it I probably wouldn’t pick it up for a few years
What does that matter when they drip-feed the older games they own? 2 a month!? Virtual Console games that existed on Wii U and 3DS are simply not there…
Interestingly (and understandably), doesn’t actually say too much about internals. If the new target is 1080p portable, though, that’s a decent bump in specs.
By running games at 20 fps
20fps maximum, likely closer to 5fps average once the power is unplugged.
Is it me or do they always promise backwards compatibility and then find some cockamamie horseshit at the last minute on why it just wasn’t possible. I might be a little scarred from previous promises (not specific to Nintendo).
Wii had backwards compatibiliyu, samen With Wii U. Switch couldn’t use disk so it could be. Allé the Gameboys had it. Super Nintendo as well. 3Ds and DS had. Nintendo often do it.
Super Nintendo was not backward compatible.
It “kind of” was with the Super Gameboy allowing for Gameboy games to run on the SNES. Buy yeah, more like a sideways compatibility
The Super Game Boy was just a Game Boy in a different form factor, it did all the work. All the SNES did was provide inputs and output.
And the GameCube compatibility of the Wii was just original GameCube hardware inside of the Wii doing all the work. Same with PS2 hardware inside the PS3.
Having dedicated hardware inside for compatibility is not uncommon
But in the Wii and PS3’s case the hardware was included with the console itself. The Super Game Boy was a separate purchase.
Well, and the Gameboy is not the ancestor to the SNES so backwards compatibility is out of the window completely. Yes, I know that the Super Gameboy is only a unfitting contender, that’s why I said “kind of” in my post.
The wii is a Gamecube repackaged with some upgrades.
Yes and no. The latest released Wii (the Wii mini) lost GameCube compatibility due to hardware changes.
The DS even had backwards compatibility with the GBA. I think it didn’t work with GB/C games though for some reason.
Someone else already pointed out that the Super Nintendo wasn’t backwards compatible. The SNES’ competitor was backwards compatible though – an optional accessory for the Mega Drive/Genesis allowed you to play Master System games!
I think it didn’t work with GB/C games though for some reason.
GBC cartridges require an extra notch that wasn’t included on GBA cartridges. You physically can’t fit a GBC cartridge into a DS without a dremel tool
Would they work if you managed to get them plugged in?
Personally, I’ve never felt the urge to try because it’d ruin a GBC cartridge and my GBA SP still works fine to this day
That’s not the case. GB > GBC > GBA > GBA SP. GC > Wii > Wii U.
I don’t think the SP was a different console though
Yup, just different form factor with a backlight IIRC.
Replace SP with DS. (:
Also: GBA > DS (early models), and DS > 3DS
I hope games will be able to hit 60fps stable or offer some type of 40hz minimums for the higher refresh rate TVs.
Resolution is important, but if the games still perform like they do now, I’d be disappointed.
I think Nintendo will probably try to hit a great pricepoint for parents instead of high performance. The last powerful Nintendo console that I’m aware of was the Gamecube.
The Wii U was technically the most powerful console on the market for a year until the XB1 and PS4 came out.
In this thread: completely out of touch gamers shitting on the world’s second best selling console of all time.
In this context “gamers” means “chronically online gamers”. the 3% of people they actually complain about this kind of stuff that would not change anyway
I thought you were exaggerating, and then I scrolled down.
I am surprised it won’t be more of a hardware improvement since the switch was released in 2017 so there has been a whole lot of new hardware to choose from since then. I would imagine there would be bigger improvements in GPU with the better Radeon offerings.
Why would you think that? Nintendo has consistently had the weakest console hardware for the last 3 generations of consoles. People buy up anything with the Nintendo brand on it, what incentive do they have to make an actually good product? They already removed themselves from competing with Sony and Microsoft in a move great for their business but abysmal for consumers.
The problem is that Nintendo wants to be the affordable console parents buy for kids, and if the hardware costs $600 then it won’t be that.
I looked at the Switch price last week and it actually went up since release (in Canada anyway).
Last time they tried a slight upgrade to not rock the boat and maintain backward compatibility was the WiiU.
That was the Wii actually. It being a slightly up clocked Gamecube. The WiiU was a massive hardware upgrade from the Wii at the time. The WiiU just had a host of other problems.
The Wii: Two GameCube glued together with funky remote controllers
The Wii U: Two Wii glued together with a funky remote controller… With a screen!
You can play GameCube games on the Wii U via USB by hacking the Wii part of the console, Nintendo just had a little bit more work to do to make it natively compatible…
Nah, the Wii wasn’t even two GC glued together. It was really just an overlocked GC. When you play GC games on Wii, the hardware clocks down and the Wii becomes a gamecube.
The reason why the Wii U can do that as well, is because in adition to it’s own hardware, all the necessary Wii hardware is also on board. It’s less a Wii mode than a built in Wii.
The WiiU was one of my favourite consoles.
Eh yes but they really rocked the boat with the Wii going to motion wands and those Wii characters.
The article is “Conservative Hardware Evolution”. Emphasis mine. The Switch2 will also be a conservative hardware evolution, exactly like the Wii. The Wii’s hardware was extremely conservative, already ancient upon release. Rocked 0 boats.
Controllers are hardware too
Nope. Peripherals.
Peripherals are hardware. Hardware literally means “the physical components of an electronic system” and last I checked, you can touch a controller.
I think that’s what we expected? I don’t think anything else would make sense. Although I miss small handhelds like GBA or 3DS.
And bigger lawsuits. This time against anyone remotely looking like any of the characters… Think twice before wearing a Mario red hat!.. looking at you red hat Linux and you MAGA, an Mr. Johnson with his running bandana and Mike too, always wearing a red hat of some sort which makes him look like Mario. Yeah Mike, we know what you’re doing and we’re coming after you and your blog!
I’m curious to see how this goes. Nintendo really is the only company I’d consider buying a console from anymore. Sure, they’re hardware isn’t very powerful, but it’s pretty hard to justify an Xbox or Playstation when a good gaming PC is a better long-term investment. Nintendo, for all if its faults, is constantly innovating what a system can be, while it’s competitors just release the same product with upgraded graphics.
That being said, the Switch 2 sounds like exactly that: a slightly upgraded switch without any real innovation. Usually, even Nintendo’s failures are interesting, like the Virtual Boy or the Wii U. They almost never release a slightly upgraded product (the only exception being the Game Boy Pocket, which they only made because the Virtual Boy flopped)
No matter what you think of Nintendo as a company, the industry does better when they’re pushing the envelope. For all the (well deserved) praise the Steam Deck gets, it wouldn’t exist if the Switch hadn’t laid the groundwork for it. I’d much rather see Nintendo take a big swing, like integrating AR or VR, into a less powerful system than see them push out a next gen Switch every 5 years. Hopefully there’s more to the Switch 2 than just a hardware upgrade, or else Nintendo (and maybe even consoles in general) might be in trouble.
I think you’re forgetting the Nintendo DS family.
One of them was literally just named “New Nintendo 3DS”.
Fair enough, I didn’t realize how much repetition there was in that line, although I would say that the 3DS was a pretty big innovation over the DS. It’s also a testament to their willingness to take big swings that the would go back to the concept of a 3D handheld after the Virtual Boy debacle.
I honestly don’t care about “underpowered hardware” and other similar crap. I do care about having to pay a sub just to get cloud saves, Nintendo’s excessively restrictive policies, their obsession with litigating fans, their frustrating inability to understand modern multiplayer, and their increasing desire to rehash the same games many times.
The only reason I owned a Switch was for on-the-go gaming because gaming on phones is a joke, and now I have a Steam Deck.
I was gonna say something about needing powerful hardware before I realized the game I was gonna reference as an example was nothing but rushed out code held together by dollar store glue.
This is usually (and sadly) the case.
their obsession with litigating fans
Yeah this is why I’m not a customer of theirs anymore. At this point I’m 100% a PC gamer.
I wonder of “conservative hardware evolution” in this context just means that it’ll still be a switch, just with upgraded internals.
The fact that the built-in screen might be 1080p implies a decent leap in performance. That’s twice as many pixels as a 720p/800p screen.
Marketing for “the hardware will be outdated sh1t”.
They planned and designed switch 2 a few years ago and are only releasing it now. The hardware will be less powerful than a mid-range smartphone. But it will be better than switch 1. So, evolution, right?
