The absolute devastation to peace in Western Europe if this fuckwad wins in November. WW3 incoming
The devastation of Western European culture doesn’t sound like a bad thing at all.
I didn’t say anything about their culture, it would persist or even strengthen with a war. Deterioration of peace is scary though
Don’t be a twat. The russians are obliterating entire towns for literally no reason other than Putin wants more territory. They’ll rape and torture their way across the whole continent if they’re not stopped.
Western European culture isn’t perfect but it’s a lot better than blind obedience to the tzar. If you love Russia so much, fucking move there. Who knows maybe you can help take chasiv year and your tzar will reward you with plenty of babies to rape.
Come on.
Twat
i guess we should obliterate the eastern europeans as well. They haven’t seen one in a while, i think they might be over due in terms of cultural evaporation by now.
Do you sign up to be first in line?
Maybe not FIRST but when it becomes cool to firebomb banks and oil infrastructure i’d probably be among the many.
If anyone thinks that the CIA and deep state is still secretly controlling the United States, picking the leaders, influencing media to present only the narrative that they want to see presented… well, now you got your answer. They’re not. If they were, every single TV news show every single night would be running stories about this kind of thing, and good things Biden has done, and associates of Trump who need to be in prison who aren’t yet.
The irony is that some version of that influence and control campaign actually is happening now, on behalf of other countries, on social media. Their propaganda is getting presented front and center and getting tons of traction, and the US is in the unusual position of playing catch up on the influencing-mass-opinion game.
I say the CIA never had any meaningful domestic power. They were a convenient place for J Edgar Hoover to point at when he didn’t want scrutiny on his agency and the secret nature of their work in addition to the considerable power of the FBI under Hoover kept them from defending themselves.
George HW Bush was director of the CIA before President, but i guess that doesnt count as meaningful enough for you?
It doesn’t count as the CIA. When HW became President, HE had the power, not the CIA.
He was also Vice President to a very popular President immediately before being elected. I think that had more to do with his becoming President than his time as director of the CIA.
Since we’re big fans of attributing causation to correlation here, he was also captain of his HS varsity baseball team, and I think that’s what really got him the presidency.
And before that, his family got rich aiding the Nazis.
I say the CIA never had any meaningful domestic power.
crack epidemic?
I feel there’s an element in the CIA that’s totally OK with Trump being in power, because it means they get everything green-lit (or Trump simply handwaves them gaining semi-autonomy again, like the bad old days). Remember, the years where they could simply launch a completely unauthorized coup in a foreign country are still within living memory, and well within institutional memory, and I’m sure there’s enough spooks that absolutely want that sort of power back.
Remember, the years where they could simply launch a completely unauthorized coup in a foreign country are still within living memory, and well within institutional memory, and I’m sure there’s enough spooks that absolutely want that sort of power back.
I thought that was within living memory because that shit was still happening right now, and they just tend to declassify shit that’s like 50 years old that they don’t care about anymore, so that’s why we only ever hear about the ones that happened 50 years ago.
I think it’s more like the CIA is just running a completely different game. They wouldn’t dare want to bring any attention to themselves. The last thing they want is national scrutiny, even if it begins with the public on their side all it does is open the door for more probes and questions about where their money goes and what they’ve been doing.
Couldn’t we also get the translator on the US side to talk?
The translator was specifically barred from attending. By trump.
Why? Cash money! The Orange Turd and Traitor is a fucking Russian FSB agent. When he was yapping about his trade war with the EU, the German police raided the Deutsche Bank HQ in Frankfurt looking for documents tracing Russian money flowing through Cyprus. Guess who received a loan from Deutsche Bank? The Orange Turd and Traitor. Later, guess who STFU about a trade war with the EU? The Orange Turd and Traitor.
The loan from Justice Anthony Kennedy’s son? Yeah.
Fredo Corleone would have figured out that, as President, he was in a much stronger position and could extort billions from Putin.
Any Scooby-Doo villain would have figured it out.
James from Team rocket would have figured it out.
Don Poorleone is all about himself and himself he owes a lot to putin.
I think you mean “Cheeto Poorleone”, but that was close.
Don Cheeto Poorleone would be correct.
Don Cheeto PoorSnoreleone
This is why they should not keep a NOC list
To be fair we were led to believe getting hands on the info would require Ethan Hunt skillz, Instead of how it is in the real world where you just pay a fat lazy greedy clown and he hands it to you.
It’s insane to me that they’re not charging him with treason in the documents case. There are ties to Russian intelligence as well as sale of confidential submarine plans.
It’s strategic. Why set the bar any higher than it needs to be to put him away for life?
That’s a fair point, but only treason would exempt him from holding office again.
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”
Insurrection and rebellion, not treason.
Look up what the constitutionally enumerated definition of treason is, then re-read the second to last sentence of your quote. You have to try to commit treason in the US. This is a winner winner chicken dinner situation.
Put him behind bars, THEN charge him for treason. Make him show up to court in handcuffs and an orange jumper, to match his face.
Dude is gonna look like Palpatine when he can’t get bronzer anymore.
Oh how I would love to see a wobbly pack of Oatkeepers try to break him from jail. Need to stock up on snacks.
To set an example for the next treasonous, racist piece of shit that the GOP nominates.
And maybe as a warning for Clarence Thomas and company.
And to pave the way for charging Kushner and the rest of Trump’s nepotistic administration.
See, there are lots of reasons to throw the book at Trump.
I think the concern is inciting retaliatory violence.
I don’t think that should be a concern of a prosecuting authority. If people break the law, especially at the scale and severity that Trump did, they need to be prosecuted. If other people retaliate, then prosecute them accordingly. We didn’t stop prosecuting Jan 6 insurrectionists just because of inflammatory rhetoric, and we shouldn’t hold back here.
I agree. But if I was the prosecutor, I would be doing my best to make sure everything is rock solid. Even then, it might not be enough.
I really really want to believe people are over Trump, but somehow so many are hook, line and sinker.
I agree that the case needs to be airtight, and I agree that the most slam-dunk offenses should be prosecuted first. I was just taking issue with the “why bother prosecuting for treason when lesser offenses are enough to put him in jail for the rest of his life” logic
He still has 100s of millions supporters. That’s the part that scares me.
That can’t be a concern. The government can be fully able to prepare and handle any sort of MAGA uprising.
I got a paywall, how do you view the archive version of this?
Thank you!
I was about to say “Holy shit, that’s impressive. I need a source for that” and you got one ready. Good job, OP!
This is just one of meetings that happened before the mentioned time frame (still bad though).
Here’s what I found when trying to check it:
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1UR36H/ (note this, like many other of his meetings with putin, was posted first by Russian media and our media reported based on their reporting: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/19/white-house-isnt-worried-about-telling-public-who-trump-is-talking-when/).
As Beau of the Fifth Column on YouTube says, “You have to try to commit treason in the US.”. Treason is one of the few crimes enumerated in the US Constitution because the King of England was charging people with treason for literally any reason.
I think that there’s been a lot of aid and comfort given to our enemies under Trump but hey shh shh shh he’s running for president again! Against the guy he lost the last election too! That would be election interference!
Just in case anybody doesn’t know, and really just for the fun of saying it, the reason he’d help putin is that putin most likely has a recording of trump having sex with underage russian girls… also something about getting peed on as well.
Non-“presidential” material, in any case.
To give Trump a bit of credit, I cannot see his ego being willing to suck a dick as hard as he’s sucking the russian’s without there being an absolute need to stoop that low. But maybe he’s just a grade A POS instead of the second-rate hack he appears to be.
Is that any worse than stuff he’s actually done? I don’t see why he’d care about this particular instance of being a thunder cunt.
You’re assuming under age as in mid teens. I’m pretty sure we’re talking prepubescent.
mid teens would still be pedophillia though, so.
Yes but that’s not how the media refers to it. You’ll notice that the media often refers to “underage women” when referring to teenagers. But you can’t do that when the girls are still in primary school.
For the record, the rumor is that he watched prostitutes pee on the bed that Obama slept on when he visited.
Using prostitutes to get important people in compromising situations is a well worn KGB trick and obviously standard practice for Russia to put recording equipment anywhere they think they can get away with it.
So really the question is whether you think it’s plausible Trump would want to watch such a thing or at least be ok with staying in the room while it happened. If he was there, it was almost certainly done by prostitutes and almost certainly recorded.
I don’t think the pee tape exists, and I think the dirt Putin has is much less juicy.
I think Trump is getting out of debt, and literally nothing else. He’s an easy man to buy. He’s pathetically simple and mercantile in his approach to diplomacy, for lack of a better word, and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out how to manipulate him.
Trump owes Russian Banks money, Putin is willing to make the payments if Trump is compliant, that’s all it takes for Trump to commit treason.
Can we get some sources for this?
The picture right up there duh
the source is that some random person said it
du-uh, some people
I recall back in the day that Dutch intelligence agencies hacked their way into cameras in the buildings of the cozy bear hackers that hacked the DNC. they shared their findings with the US and then Trump used that info publicly to try and kick the Democratic party. This in turn caused the hacks to be fixed, and the Dutch agency losing their access. There is some more detail about it that I don’t recall, but I do recall the director of the Dutch agency stating they would no longer share information like this with the US as they can’t be trusted with it.
Yeah I remember that story as well.
i think beyond possibly getting paid for it, trump also wanted to pull a kissinger except with russia this time.
also the fact he isnt already in jail gives me strong “not a real democracy” vibes from the US.
Can you elaborate on “pull a Kissinger?”
i mean his strategy to try and isolate the ussr and make china more capitalist, to make it easier to overthrow/control them. basically divide to conquer, but swap out the countries.
the republican narrative in general seem to be very anti-china and hint a lot about war with them, but not so much with russia which can be considered just as much of a rival if not more. especially right now with the ukraine war. i’m thinking republicans want to be on good terms with russia and ukraine be damned so they can more easily isolate what its currently a huge economic partner from china. they are currently doing this in india apparently successfully. so they are getting cozy with russians and being quiet about it to try and have them as semi-friends somehow.
big disclaimer though: i think this strategy is very dumb, and i doubt this will work. i don’t think trump is capable of the evil genius villian shit kissinger was. just the comically evil dumb fascism we expect from him, and that no head of state already aligned with the specific brand of us-republican fascism will take.
at best they will get used for russia’s benefit. which is looking like the case already with all the suff coming out about it in the investigations lololololol
This line of reasoning is inspired by a theory in international relations called “realism”, with Mearsheimer, Mordhaus, etc. as their core theorists.
It states that the world is divided by superpowers, fighting for power constantly, with all other countries being mere poker chips for them to divide amongst themselves. What countries or people in them want is largely irrelevant.
Oh, that’s what the final straw was for you? Been here long?
oh no, just one of the straws you can point at when someone tries to argue the us has freedom or democracy.
Fair. I know that straw well, among others. It’s been our biggest export for generations! 😅😶 Don’t let the local Democracy Officer hear you, though. 🤫
gives me strong “not a real democracy” vibes from the US.
Your vibes are indeed correct.
Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.
Basically if Trump wins the US will be more or less a vassal state to Russia.
That is a possibility at least, however remote.
If you were Putin, you’d be doing everything in your power to make sure Trump wins.
This is my favorite kind of conspiracy theory
I don’t think its outlandish to believe Trump - a man notorious for surrounding himself with gadflies and sycophants - would suck up some FSB assets while populating his administration. And a personal meeting with the Russian President would be the perfect opportunity for an intelligence hand-off.
“Donald Trump wrote a list of CIA agents on his arm with a sharpie and showed it to Putin at the meeting” is goofy bullshit. But “someone in Trump’s administration used their proximity to the President to harvest names from unredacted reports and feed them to the Kremlin in exchange for cash/favors/blackmail” is very easy to believe.
Hell, its not too difficult to believe moles existed in Obama, Bush, and Clinton administrations, either (or that the CIA has moles in the Kremlin). These are two of the most sophisticated and well-financed intelligence networks in the world. And guys like Yeltsin and Trump were both gullible rubes with deep mob connections who would be prime targets for this kind of infiltration.
Remember as well, trump’s business ties (the only kind of ties he pays attention to -such as it is) in russia go back forty years. He’s been there a lot. He’s tied into their mafias in more than ten ways. It’s not just vanilla doing-what-putin-wants, it’s a decades-long operation.
Remember as well, trump’s business ties (the only kind of ties he pays attention to -such as it is) in russia go back forty years.
The fixation on the ties as “Russian” are misplaced, as they’re largely via the New York mafia and attendant money laundering banks. I would look more towards the Steve Bannons and Zachary Fuentes’s, were I to be looking for folks leaking to the FSB.
It’s not just vanilla doing-what-putin-wants, it’s a decades-long operation.
Trump pretty famously doesn’t pay well, which means a lot of his staff ultimately need to be on the take in order to make working for Trump profitable. And its not in any way unique to Vlad.
Abso-fuckin-lutely, it’s completely believable.
