OK now they can go ahead with plan B where they allow you to link your PSN account to get some super cool cosmetic. I wonder what the reaction of the consumers will be then.
People actually thought that this was a very cool solution. People are the worst.
I really don’t see the problem, provided it is cosmetic. If you don’t want to link, you don’t get a glittering, whatever in game. If you don’t mind sharing your datas, then you get the shiny thing (and everyone knows you don’t mind sharing your datas).
I mind.
So if you mind sharing your data, don’t get the shiny. You know it will become like that shiny pony back in wow’s wrath expansion. It told you more about the person than anything else.
There are legitimate reasons for the devs and Sony to want your psn account linked. It’s also reasonable to not want to do so. Why not offer a compromise, like any healthy relationship, and allow, not force, account linking, with a little incentive? Where is the downside to either party?
I think that’s entirely fair and similar to store loyalty cards. You get something in exchange for your datas at least.
Except now many loyalty cards are now required to get sale prices that were previously available without them. It is a bleak world where folks have to potentially choose between affording groceries and protecting their privacy.
That’s allright tho.
Wasn’t that already the case? That’s what they did in most of their other pc ports at least
“Sorry, we’ll have to do it in a few months again to see if you still can mobilize this much”.
“You know that thing where the initial assault is just a ploy to draw people in for the real attack?”
Cyberbullying works 🎉
Is that the new term for boycott?
Ya, it’s the good ol’ “voting with your wallet” that can bring companies to their knees
I think there’d have been a lot less pushback if the gamers had got something in return, like Steam/PSN cross-buy on Sony published titles.
It’s not even like they could claim it being needed for cross-play, because it demonstrably works without it.
“we’re still learning What’s best for PC players”
Translation: We’re trying multiple predatory methods to see how far we can push PC players and figure out what we can get away with, compared to all the shit shows we successfully pulled off on our own platform.
We all want PlayStation exclusives on PC, their response now is going to be their own launcher. Just a guess on my end.
What’s wild to me is they’re making their own overlay for their PC games. Ghost of Tsushima is supposed to be the first release title with it. Do they not understand steam already has an overlay? I feel like 2 overlays would just compete and be obnoxious and possibly ever impact performance.
Also, why? If it is for co-op crossplay, just make linking PSN to Steam optional, and state it is needed for inviting/grouping with any PS5 friends. Then do what every other multiplatform game does and show 2 friends list in the game.
“We’re still learning just how far we can push PC players.”
“we’re sorry that we got caught”
For now… 🖕🏽 They worded that so weasely, they’re just waiting for the storm to pass and for Legal to come up with some compelling reason why they’re totally “obligated” to make it happen, “hands tied” “so sorry” and all that.
Fuck Sony. They made this SOP way back when, and there’s no way they let this stop them forever. It’s all about profit, not what “we” want.
Sounds about right.
“Helldivers 2 players get exactly what they wanted, still unhappy.”
You don’t lower your guard just because the fight is over. It’s not like Sony has morals or any trustworthiness to keep to this even in the midterm.
Or, more rationally, you all invested so much of yourselves into your gamer outrage campaign and built yourselves up as the underdogs fighting the big, mean corporation. And when, to your own surprise, you actually won and got all of your demands met without compromise, you still can’t let it go because you managed to incorporate all that upset over a video game into your personal identities over just a few days time.
So now, instead of celebrating your win, you’ll limply cling to your hatred of Sony for a few more days or weeks until everyone finds something else to get upset about.
You talk like this never happened before
I talk like I have seen this exact same thing happen over and over and I’m sick of capital-G Gamers throwing tantrums over every inconvenience. You aren’t Union Men fighting for your rights. You’re gamers upset by a TOS change to your new toy even though Steam was going beyond their own policy to honor refunds.
NGL, you sound like a capital-R Redditor.
Aw, the gamer is upset I forced some introspection into their life.
But no, I’m sorry. You’re totally a noble warrior who fought back the evil Sony and now must remain ever vigilant lest Kazuo Hirai leap from the shadows and scream “Riiiiidge Racer” at you and take away your toys while Gabe Newell gives you your money back and sheepishly shrugs like “I know, right? This guy, man.”
Seriously. Jesus Christi, peopke
You don’t get to do something shitty then expect everyone to be happy. If you want that, you shouldn’t have done the shitty thing in the first place.
Backfire 2, Steam refund boogaloo when?
The fact that they specifically mention that date makes me think they’re simply pushing the date back
You just know that there used to be an “…at this time” at the end of that sentence and some good PR folk edited it out because managers are out of touch douches.
They specifically said “not moving forward”. Seems pretty clear and concise. No PSN requirement.
And they also said “We’re still learning what’s best for PC players […]”
They’ll be back.
God damn. You people just NEED to be upset about stuff. Like, pathologically.
it couldn’t possibly be that people are applying basic pattern recognition
No, a bunch of people here just need to be outraged about something all the time, and pessimistic about everything.
Nothing can ever be even modestly positive. Everything - everything - has to be bad and negative all the time. If it was a cute puppy video, there’d be a bunch of comments about how puppy farms are evil and etc.
It’s exhausting.
Can you tell us what positive thing we can get from the account linking debacle?
Not our fault the entire tech industry keeps engineering new ways to give people trust issues.
They won’t be back - they’re not leaving.
But that phrase also seems like pretty normal rationalizing in an apology.
If I had to bet it was mostly steam issuing refunds and pulling the game in more than 100 countries that changed their mind.
They are just being clear and accurate with their comms. No need to over think it.
This has the “fuck you” energy without the actual word
It does?
It does not.
“we listened to your feedback and made major changes to planned updates” is fuck you energy?
"We listened to our accounting, and the massive wave of refunds and unbought mtx is hurting our numbers. PR isn’t happy about the reviews either. We’ll keep you updated on future plans for fucking you over!
Do you really think that Sony will actually back down? They are calming down the shitstorm that is going over all media, socials and steam. They’ll reorganize and will move on with their plans. Arrowhead and Helldivers is just one of many assets.
The review bombing was serious but I’d eat my hat if this stunt cut revenue by more than 10%. I don’t have anything for Helldivers but here’s an article about Dragons Dogma 2
10% is a lot by I WANT NORE MONEY RIGHT NOW shareholder metrics
It means the two million people playing it now have to get emails, promotions, and keep sony products in their mind.
They obviously didn’t think it would be popular. Just like Wizards of the Coast when they tried to put out a new license that said “anything with the words ‘dungeons and dragons’ on it becomes our intellectual property”, they assumed that pissing off their entire fanbase would be net positive because people will keep buying their stuff no matter how bad it gets.
Of course not.
“We’re still learning what is best for PC players”
Well PlayStation staff member, it definitely isn’t having people create another account when they already have a Steam account.
Also gaming on a PC is 40 years old, what do they still have to learn?
They are used to playstation players who buy a console for twice the price it’s worth through discord bots. I don’t think they even know what a backlash is
Nowadays a console is just a locked down, less expensive pc. I think buying the components of a ps5 and assembling the pc is more expensive than just buying a console and liberating it, which is what I would do if I was to ever buy one.
which is why the steam deck was such a breath of fresh air, it’s what consoles SHOULD be.
A computer built primarily for gaming, sold at a reasonable price, that merrily lets you switch to desktop mode and launch excel for some office work if you want to.
They are learning what level of bullshit PC gamers will tolerate.
“You guys actually want to play these things? Yeeesh.”
How much less bullshit PC players are willing to put up with compared to their console counterparts, apparently.
Uhhhh, people install shit like Vanguard just so that they can keep having their mother insulted in the ingame chat.
And many people put up with cascades of different lauchers (and accounts).
So I am glad that there was some push back this time, but it’s not like there would be some sane baseline of PC players in that regard.
It’s almost as if cheaters ruin hyper competitive games like Valorant. How dare they try to keep the game free from cheaters. The nerve!
Honestly I’d rather have a cheater in my lobby than Riot Games deep into the sections of my PC they should never have accessed.
With that said, I do not play Valorant for this reason (and also because it would require me to dualboot since Vanguard cannot be ported on Linux, lol)
I’d have a bit more symphaty if they at least tried to do the bare minimum before choosing the nuclear option.
Most notably, the PVE queues in LoL were infested with bots for years and you could tell them apart from real players before they even made their first move. Often times you’d be the only human player. If stuff like that wasn’t caught, I have serious doubts about their previous efforts to catch “real” cheaters.
Also there could (and should?) be “simply” two launch options. One with “hardcore anti cheat” and one with some much simpler anti-cheat. Then a lobby option what you want to allow. You want to play competitive/league/whatever? Then require the hardcore anti-cheat. Otherwise: why bother.
Yup. At the very least, they shouldn’t have made it a requirement for TFT. If it were possible to cheat there that’d be more of a game design problem anyway.
I’d be somewhat ok with Kernel anticheat if they would work, but the simple truth is that they do nothing of value. COD has Kernel anticheat with Riccochet and is flooded with cheaters. Valorant has only slightly less cause riot updates Vanguard more often.
But guess what, it usually takes 1-2 days for new cheats to reach the relevant forums, maybe a few days more until they are more widely aviable. At most cheaters have to spend another 5€ every 6 months, but that’s it. They don’t care, the amount of money spent on accounts every other month is already way higher.
The only two things anticheat like vanguard protects you from is script kiddies that google “valorant cheat .exe” and Linux only players. And the former could just as well be filtered out without Kernel level.
As someone who rehosts an old game after the official servers shutdown, we have a dedicated servers for cheating and real moderators for the non-cheat ones. It works great but big corps don’t way to pay for mods.
I also wonder why big companies don’t do it to train ML algorithms on the cheat server data too…
Besides that, statistics is an unbeatable tool against cheaters.
Agreed. For detecting cheaters, statistics work like a Dream
Only if you want to cap the skill limit. Otherwise you would typically have a hand full of players that are genuinely just good or rather far outside the normal skill range. I guess with a lot of data collection one might be able to determine if there was some kind of natual progress or sudden skill jumps, but all in all it could weed out legitimate players.
Imagine doing this for all kinds of stuff like ads, over priced groceries, other games that required needless launchers
If people were capable of choosing long over short term value then the market might be working instead of the shitshow it is right now. IDGI either.
It’s all a fucking smokescreen. Man, people just eat that shit up. Every time. It’s almost like the game is saturated in satire and we’re spooning it down ourselves.
Oh, wait. fuck.
Maybe a company that has (mostly) made consoles isn’t exactly playing games or has people on staff on the executive level that play(ed) on a PC. I’m 30 and outside of a brief time I tried to play on a PC I’ve pretty much been console my entire life. My first gaming experiences were all on console. It’s completely logical for a company to make a move like this when they have specialized in one area for a time.
It’s called market research.
We’re still learning what is best for PC players
We’ll keep you updated on future plans
Behind the scenes coming up with the future plans:
Yeah, like, you know what is best for PC players, it just doesn’t come together with financial interest :D
and this is why i wish people would make it profitable, fuck AAA titles, give your money to indies who respect the consumers and actually just want to make a fun game.
I wish game devs would found a union that helps developers fund and publish games with no profit incentive, it seems like such an obvious thing to do and has the potential to revolutionizing how people create and play games.
No longer would we be beholden to companies, no longer would developers have to compromise their works for profit, no longer would players have to tolerate predatory bullshit.
Just good games made by passionate people who are happy to have people enjoy their works while being able to afford to live on it.That’s what I normally do - pirate or ignore AAA’s, but always buy indies.
The problem with the union idea is that most games just won’t pay off huge investments, so there needs to be someone competent who filters out profitable games, and funds games based on expected returns…and at that point we get, essentially, a publisher company. Or maybe a cooperative. But barely a union.
Where are the: “just make an account bro” people now? Probably pre ordering skyrim the definite edition
Probably just playing the game.
Playing sims
Demanding we apologize for the negative reviews now that Sony has reverted the change, if the discord server is anything to go by
I’d imagine some of them are here:
(edit: forgot to un-dox the user)
I’d love to shut up and play Starship Troopers: The Game. But unfortunately, I don’t have a PS5 or gaming PC. Still holding out hope that this will come to Xbox one day.
It has as much chance has Halo Infinite coming to PS5.
Nah there’s a bigger chance of Halo coming to PS5 if MS recent moves are anything to go by.
And here
I don’t think politely asking people to change their review so that it reflects reality is a “karen” move.
Just pointing out that the “Just make an account, AH doesn’t deserve that” people are on Lemmy as well
But no one in your screenshot is saying that?
They’ve the same kind of reactions though, get abused and say you’re sorry.
I don’t see them telling anyone to “say you’re sorry” either?
I was one of them to begin with but once I found out about the whole thing with people of certain countries not able to have an account even though they had already bought the game and we’re even previously able to play are more locked out, then I was on board.
I’m not against just making accounts, I must have thousands across the internet, what would be one more if I hadn’t already had a PSN account.
But the game isn’t even available on PlayStation so why am I creating an account? At the very least it’s pointless busy work. And apparently not even well thought out.
It’s on PS5, what you on about
Isn’t it available on PS5?
Not sure where you are getting your info from. I play on PS5.
Wouldn’t it be nice to not have your info spread across thosands of accounts that you yourself even implied you don’t keep track of?
What sony pulled, and coporate moves like it, are at least in part a result of people saying “meh, what’s one more account, I’ve already got thousands.”
We as a community aren’t an immaculate entity. Companies don’t just make these moves out of nowhere, they analyze what we’re willing to do so they can take advantage of those things to make money. That’s not some sleazy secret scheme, thats basic market research. If we collectively show we do actually care about this stuff and won’t supoort their business when they do it, it might not happen so often.
what would be one more if I hadn’t already had a PSN account.
One more attack vector to gain access to all your other accounts across the internet.
Using a password manager would avoid this. Everyone should ideally use unique passwords per service, that way a single account can’t compromise the others.
The loss of personal data however is fricking annoying. If a company has no legitimate reason, I avoid signing up to them.
Looking at you Nvidia, Razar, etc…
Shitstorm = Feedback
Noted…
the only feedback they respond to are the feedback that give them concussion.
It’s Feedback in the way that microphone feedback is - really bloody loud and painful, and makes you know you’ve done something wrong
Yeah exactly. And it’s often the only feedback that gets any attention unfortunately. It was getting media attention and getting very loud.
Plus the whole thing was just stupid. They could have accomplished exactly the same thing with little backlash by offering some little in-game trinket for voluntarily linking a PSN account where it was possible to get one. This wasn’t my idea, I saw it somewhere on Lemmy, but that person needs to get a job at Sony stat because the chucklefucks working there now have no clue.
Revert your negative reviews guys
lol
Just another nail to the bootlicker’s coffin of “review bombing does nothing”.
God I hate bootlickers. Fuck em.
Review bombing and mass refunding too. Hit them where it hurts
