~500 comments about our instance and admins in the past week. Talk about needing to touch some grass…
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Hey db0 and mods!
Since you’re just humans and we never know if the insults are slowly getting to you or you’re just having doubts, I want to give a voice to the lurkers in here and reiterate one thing: I feel exceptionally well taken care of in this instance! I’m extremely happy to be a part of it, I don’t even know what a downtime is and I don’t see much drama or toxicity if any at all. I’m simply loving Lemmy (yes, seriously!), I’m loving my time on it and I can just focus on following the communities I’m passionate in, which is the main point of Lemmy. I’m also aware that this does not happen without considerable hard work from the people behind it. So while I’m sure most of it goes unnoticed, I hope to at least convey with this that it’s not taken for granted or unappreciated in the slightest bit. A very big thanks to you all (and I try to donate where I can) <3
As for my personal experience, whenever a hexbear post makes it into my feed it’s mostly an overly aggressive political take or straight up trolling. It reminds me of the League of Legends kind of humour: It’s supposed to be a joke, but it’s not explicitly spelled out that it’s a joke and it attacks the individual. It’s a mix of aggressive trolling and just straight up toxicity. You just never know if you’re supposed to take it serious or not. But I personally like to have a choice if I eventually want to block them or not, and I feel like having a choice is one of the common threads between FOSS, Linux, the fediverse, self-hosting, piracy and so on.
But, while I do appreciate this, it isn’t crucial to my experience on Lemmy. So, if at any time this balance is taking too much of a toll on you guys, it wouldn’t be a big deal for me if we would “lose contact” with hexbear. Last thing I want is slowly cooking your sanity bit by bit, with each passing day a bit more, over something that is frankly not that important. I’d rather prefer you focus on what you love doing, be that doing technical stuff, improving the instance, memeing around, learning new stuff or simply discussing things with other people in peace. Life is much too short to argue with people, and over the internet it’s even worse!
Hey matey. Your comment is much appreciated! Thanks for taking the time.
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Feels really good to read that. Thank you!
I don’t think they cook our sanity bit by bit. We all are pretty resilient and take a good chuckle whenever something like this happens.
Those of us in the DB absolutely love you guys. You’ve got our support. Normally I’m against defederation as much as possible, but I know you guys will make the right choice and do what is best for our instance.
Give ‘em hell.
even if these posts were “grilling the admins” it’s literally your instance, you don’t have to listen to anybody lol.
this instance is by far one of my favored instances though. So i’ll continue to use it regardless, and if it does go to shit, i’ll just jump ship lol. Freedom to surf is part of federation after all.
I’ve blocked, like, 5 HexBear users and then haven’t seen a single shitty post or comment from that instance since. Either they are all banned from the other instances/communities, or it’s really only 5 dickheads.
It was more like a few dozen for me, but same experience.
There are a lot of dickheads, but a lot fewer of them intentionally reach outside their instance to harass other people.
I’m literally getting pinged from inside hexbear after being banned, from people cackling that I can’t respond.
I had to clean up a bunch of obvious bot spam from FoodPorn yesterday when I noticed it all after accidentally clicking into the community and leaving my all feed. I am now not sure if the report feature works; all the posts had tons of down votes but my report inbox has never had anything in it.
If other mods are relying on the report feature and it’s broken, it would explain why even the active mods are slow to react to things.
Do you think it is possible then that there was a delay in reports on hexbear, regarding posts criticizing db0? Did @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com even report any of the posts referenced in the image? If you moderated a user and that user then sent you a message calling you a piece of shit, would you expect your admin to stand up for you and ban the person harassing you?
Neither I nor any other hexbear user complain about the myriad of posts or comments slandering hexbear users their mods/admins that come out every single day, yet a small portion of these come for db0 (which are now moderated to the best of my knowledge) and there is a big problem.
I would like to remind you that timezones exist, and I am in MSK time zone and there are delays compared to those in others.
I literally reported posts publicly for rule 7 violation, at which point I got abused for saying that. To my knowledge none of the people who did this were sanctioned.
Also, I’m not particularly interested in training your cops. It’s your whole culture that created 10 different posts shitting on our instance and our admins and that is not fixed by more prompt reporting.
Say what you will about random people complaining about hexbear, it’s individuals here and there. if you had threads upon threads dedicated to flinging insults and disinfo about your instance and your admins, I suspect you might want to defend yourself sometime, like you felt compelled to do just now.
I’ve reviewed the past week of reports and literally see 0 made by you. Outside of reports I’ve asked any posts made regarding db0 mods or admins to be removed, if I’ve missed any that specifically reference you or others please let me know, and I’ll address them in context of community/site code of conduct. I apologize if there are any that were allowed to stay up for an extended period of time.
Commenting is not the same as the report function. Yes, I do trust the hexbear moderators to handle their communities as they see fit, if you were to see the amount of posts/comments on hexbear you could understand the need to delegate. In addition, I personally believe in horizontal power and entrusting the site to those that stand up to take responsibility for the community. There is an established method for questioning mod decisions, either the feedback or hexbear community. I recognize that it may be unclear to non-local users, if I may what is the db0 process for handling disputes for mod actions?
Do you think that if one of your moderators was sent a direct message calling them a piece of shit, you would act differently?
I dispute the accusation that there were 10 different posts, rather there were three that are removed. If there are others, please send me the link so that they can be addressed.
Is it fair to expect the admins to individually review over 3 million comments without having reports to guide us to those made in violation of rules?
Have you ever done a lemmy search for “hexbear”?
I think you will find there are many threads flinging insults and disinfo about us and I would say that I don’t feel the need to defend, in fact had you or Unruffled heeded my advice about making a non-admin account to comment/post on we would not be in this situation.
Based upon the praise in this thread and in the hexbear vote regarding db0 you would see the positive outweigh the negative of you and your instance.
You are completely delusional if you think the hexbear admins have any interest in Lemmy beyond trolling and sophomoric information warfare. They very clearly do not care about engaging outside of their community in good faith.
as a Hexbear admin I endorse this statement, fantastic tagline thank you
Commenting is not the same as the report function
I’m not the kind of person who goes to some other’s community and starts hitting the report buttons because someone insulted me (although I am fairly sure I did that as well when I reported the rule 7 violation once?). I would assume your own established people who do that themselves instead of attacking me for reminding them their own comm rules. Surely you don’t think that it’s my responsibility to police your comms and report whenever I see yet another thread attacking our admins and instance? For me, this is a culture issue.
if I may what is the db0 process for handling disputes for mod actions?
We haven’t had to establish any particular process. We have an appeals matrix channel if needed, but we haven’t had anyone disputing our mod actions yet.
Do you think that if one of your moderators was sent a direct message calling them a piece of shit, you would act differently?
Yes! In fact, I have had some of your users PM me before because I banned them from a community because they were harassing random people. I just laughed at them and then reported and blocked them on the second PM I also receive mention pings from your comms which is how I sometimes find these threads after they’ve been going on for a while. Lately I’ve been sometimes searching my alias, since new threads kept popping up so often.
Question: Is there no nuance in your world? Am I some random troll? No, you know very well who I am and why I reacted the way I did, or if you can’t possibly understand why I would react so badly and out of character for me, did it not strike you as something that would require some clarification before acting? Because from where I’m standing, you were just looking for an excuse to ban me. Much like that mod who admitted they were just looking for any excuse to ban me from their comm because I annoyed them with my mere existence.
And fair’s fair, you can ban whoever you want, but if you do a) don’t act like this was some neutral decision and b) don’t spread disinfo that I “harassed your admins” because I justifiably insulted one of them, once, after they insulted me first and deleted all my non-rule breaking comments trying to defend our instance from disinfo.
I dispute the accusation that there were 10 different posts, rather there were three that are removed. If there are others, please send me the link so that they can be addressed.
Historically, ever since I upset hexbears by rejecting left-unity, 10 sounds about right. Just off the top of my head there’s the one about the removed post where I was banned. The one where they attacked unruffled. The one where they attacked my pfp. The one where they attacked me for posting a meme in /c/anarchism. The three you removed after my meme. I am not keeping links mate, this is not so important to me. But the constant hate trend is undeniable, let’s not kid ourselves.
I think you will find there are many threads flinging insults and disinfo about us and I would say that I don’t feel the need to defend, in fact had you or Unruffled heeded my advice about making a non-admin account to comment/post on we would not be in this situation.
How can I possibly comment about the rationale for removing a post in /c/piracy with a pseudonymous account?
As strange as it sounds, I commented inside hexbear threads because I still see some value in your opinions of us. I wouldn’t go to a fascist instance to defend myself (I would just defed them). But in order to have any chance to do that inside hexbear, I need an extremely hard shell around me because of the massive toxicity and bad faith I have to face, toxicity which gets thicker and thicker with every new thread about us allowing to fester. So I am compelled to defend my instance as myself when I see disinfo about how we’re “defending corporations” or some other typical uncharitable shit. In the last thread, I tried to do this as calmly as humanly possibly while one of your peeps threw ableism in my face, and even that wasn’t enough.
Likewise, you don’t go to defend yourselves in every reactionary comm because you don’t care about their opinions, but you came in this thread to do so, even using an alt to do so,for similar drive to myself. You intuitively understand why I do what I do.
Is it fair to expect the admins to individually review over 3 million comments without having reports to guide us to those made in violation of rules?
Maybe not, it’s also not fair to expect us to act as the hexbear police. Your own community should be self-reporting as needed instead of turning a blind eye when it’s someone they love to hate.
After all this, I still don’t have any hate in my heart for hexbear and I’m probably the only reason we haven’t de-federated you. However I don’t think it’s true for you peeps and I think that’s sad that so many in your community are so hell bent on burning this bridge because they can’t tolerate me being against “left unity” or being cowered by the constant bullying.
Nor do I have hate for you or the /0 instance in fact in the vote post majority of the hexbear users feel the same way.
There are no downvotes and the culture of commenting dissent might make it feel like there are so many that want to burn the bridge but based on every instance wide federation check in more enjoy /0 and the users than dislike.
I used an alt because you are banned from hexbear so posts you make don’t show up, i guess I could’ve done it in matrix but decided to do it publically. Yeah I care about you and your opinion over every other instance (except the .ml ones, tankies gotta stick together) and despite what you may think didn’t want to ban you. Getting a
If you want to develop a culture where users feel safe to report direct messages you need to act on them regardless of who they are. I’ve banned many longtime hexbear users and moderators for the same thing.
I’ve removed all the posts regarding you and Unruffled that I was aware of and didn’t know that the pfp post was even about you, the primary account I use has avatars disabled. Reporting that post would have helped in getting it addressed. For what it’s worth the person you direct messaged actually removed one of the posts about you after it was reported.
Moderation can always improve, just as there were criticisms of the way that the meme in /c/piracy was handled there are criticisms to be made of how moderation is on hexbear communities. Just as there is hate and animosity towards /0 users and admins there is hate and animosity towards hexbear users and admins.
I said you were banned for dm harassment of a moderator, as that is what happened. Had you said the same thing in a comment the action would have likely been different. I apologize that you’ve received harassing direct messages and for the unreliable cross-instance reporting.
It is the responsibility of both moderator and user to cultivate a community. With active moderation on one hand and reporting on the other. I don’t think it’s fair to criticize moderation without doing your part.
I’m saddened that this ended up how it did and apologize for any stress you experienced.
I won’t be logging back onto this account for awhile, thanks for your previous comment and i wish you the best.
I’ve reviewed the past week of reports and literally see 0 made by you.
If the report function doesn’t work (or isn’t federated when made by users not on your own instance) then that would be consistent.
The only part I hate about lemmy is this. Constant whining about other instances. Can I block this instance on my app and still be able to access piracy instance?
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Can’t represent the users adequately if you’re not one of them.
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These threads are so fuckin’ weird from my instance. They keep coming up like clockwork every couple weeks.
Drama like this is exactly why I laugh when people say its better on lemmy than reddit, its just a different flavor of the same shit when you’re on All.
Yes well turns out it is an innate part of those kind of forums. The more specialised the topic the less drama generally. There is very few places with no drama whatsoever on the web.
Sorry actually it’s quite old post I should stop commenting on old comments truly
Eh, within a day or two is normal to respond imo, not everyone sees the post immediately.
But no ads tho.
I use adblock :/
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you put a whole two people in a room and you’ll get drama sooner or later. In this regard every place will be the same. At least we more actual people to have drama with, with reddit getting closer and closer to the dead Internet uh, practice (no longer a theory)
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What do you expect? There’s a reason everyone who has a desire to maintain their sanity has defederated from them.
There’s some good peeps there and they help in keeping the crypto-fash in check. But their clannishness is unchecked.
they help in keeping the crypto-fash in check
Unless your users at large are crypto fascists I don’t think you need crypto authoritarians to keep crypto fascists in check.
Well their criticism of the current system is on-point, and they can help counter pro-capitalism ideologues. It’s just that their praxis tends to be shite when they try to be all “vanguard of the proletariat” and whatnot.
they can help counter pro-capitalism ideologues
Only with authoritarian ideals, and while supporting places like China and N. Korea, giving capitalists every reason to mock what the tankies falsely present as communism.
Like, you do you, but personally simply having anti-capitalism in common isn’t enough to overlook the oppressive ideas they preach and support (even if indirectly, by using that instance specifically, they actively endorse and condone those ideals), just like having anti-stateism in common isn’t enough to overlook the oppressive ideas "an"caps preach and support.
They’re telling you who they are, the best thing you can do is listen (and if any of these users really are that chill and not at all tankies like you give them credit for, they should understand why being affiliated with authoritarians is a red flag to most users, and have no problem creating an account on another instance that isn’t bringing mass defederation on to itself by brigading and harassing anyone who doesn’t agree with their oppressive views)
Totally on point.
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Thanks, you too…
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Do we really need their help keeping fascists in check? Problem is hexbears consider everyone who’s not on ml or hexbear to be an ipso facto fascist, and act accordingly. There’s zero room in their ideology for anyone with more moderate political views. I’d say the majority of our users are probably left leaning, but unless they happen to want the violent destruction of the western liberal democracies, then they just aren’t left enough for hexbears to accept.
Having said all that, I feel like we’ve managed to successfully remove most of the overt political trolling from hexbear on our instance lately, so our own communities aren’t too affected. But they really hate the fact we’ve been clamping down on them.
I’ll also acknowledge the majority of hexbear’s users don’t go trolling. They seem to have a bunch of well meaning people who are focussed on community building, a bunch of political history/theory enthusiasts, and a bunch of awful trolls who are just there for the lulz. You can see in their own modlogs that there’s tensions within their instance between those groups.
So, it’s a complicated situation to deal with, and depending which groups you interact with, you might have a very different experience. From my own experience I’d say the bad far outweighs the good though.
I think it’s because you and me face the brunt of their ire for trying to defend our instance inside their toxic comms, and that colors our perspective. But I try to step out of this and see things less personally when it affects more than just me. Just my take. I generally appreciate having the chance to be challenged from the left on occasion. None of us is perfect at the end of the day.
but unless they happen to want the violent destruction of the western liberal democracies
Btw, I think we also need to be cognizant when they exaggerate, but then again, a lot of their users will be the first to say “Lol, they think we exaggerate” so it’s not always clear since they’re too many levels deep in irony, which has it’s own impact on their userbase’s mentality. Similar statements generally require discussion and deconstruction before one can decide if that person deserves some sort of sanction.
I think we just need to take what they say at face value, because it’s all to easy for problematic users to pivot to “just joking” when they get called out.
Yeah I couldn’t agree more, they’ve caused enough issues to prove that it really isn’t and hasn’t been a joke for a long time.
Hexbear and lemmygrad are the only instances I blocked in-client, and it was a drastic instant improvement.
It’s honestly sad, almost to the point where defederating from them would be better
But I’m sure we’d be loosing good people from hexbear too
I had to join a defederated server after the mods sent hexbear users my way to harass he after a I reported users for harassment…
As someone no longer part of their drama, yall should defederate.
I thought users could individually block comms now. For example i tried blocking lemmy.world and while ur was in place i didn’t see comments from there. Is this not the case for you?
It definitly wasnt at the time
I think it is a recent development, in the last few months. Have a look in your settings if you haven’t yet, should be an option now
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You can block an instance, but not all users from that instance. It’s essentially a “don’t see this instances posts” option.
Oh. I saw a ton of hidden comments i could not view when i blocked .world (cuz of facebook, not the lovely commenters). I thought that was because i blocked the comm they were coming from.
Could be your client doing that actually, but it’s not a Lemmy feature.
I just use a browser. I dunno if it varies by insurance but it is a Lemmy feature not client-side
Sorry, to be clear I meant “block this instance” is a Lemmy feature, but “block users from a blocked instance” is likely client side. And to be clear, the web front ends are also clients. Many of them are non standard.
If you look at the description of the instance blocking, it says it doesn’t block users.
Didn’t mean to confuse things, I should have been more clear.
We’ve been at the point where defederating would have been better for months.
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Yeah they’re posting from a lemmy.world account, Lemmy.world doesn’t tolerate spammers, which is what this guy is. He is posting emoji spam.
But I’m sure we’d be loosing good people from hexbear too
Not really, the good people will just make accounts elsewhere and start using those accounts to interact here and on the rest of the fediverse, most of the good ones already do that because hexbear is already very isolated by virtue of the fact they’re using whitelist federation and also the fact that they already have been defederated for the spam, trolling, and harassment their less savory members bring about (and more importantly the fact that it is unpunished by their instance’s moderators if not encouraged).
Eh, I don’t plan on defederating over such drama. They see some value in some of our users and we see some value in some of their users and we can ban the red-fash apologists and disinfo peddlers if they become a problem.
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This user is saying they are a dumbfuck baby that cant use their words
I’ve never had a positive interaction with anyone on that instance.
My instance is defederated with them, and most of the (politically) negative interactions I’ve had with people from other instances, I check hexbear, and so far 100% of the time they have an account with the same name there
I’ve had, but it’s mostly outside of their areas, or with people who are not immediately closing ranks and arguing in bad faith. Just before I got banned I had someone praise me for being chill, so 🤷
Most people on hexbear with any desire to participate in good faith will have other accounts elsewhere, Hexbear is already isolated as can be so multiple accounts is basically required for them to participate on the rest of the Fediverse. Shouldn’t feel too bad about cutting off their Hexbear accounts since they almost certainly have others.
Ah here we go, grab your pop-corn and head over to thread #7 :D
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It says the thread has 5 comments so far but I can’t see any of them.
Are you going via lemmy.dbzer0.com or via hexbear.net?
I’m not quite sure how Sync for Lemmy handles the link in your comment.
Then open it in a browser?
The first comment is about you harassing them in dms now you’re doing a call out post because they banned you for harassment?
Isn’t that kind of proving their point?
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Have you seen all the hexbear posts about it?
Hundreds.
I didn’t harass in dms. I sent a single dm as a reply to the banning message.
https://hexbear.net/comment/4892908
Then why do they have so many examples?
There’s like 2 there
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You are a sad and pathetic troll, it’s funny because you’ll just be banned, have the messages deleted and then everyone will forget all about you. It’s literally pointless for you to even be doing this.
I will admit that it is funny and enjoyable when the time comes for trolls to be banned.
Of what? I replied to their replies. That’s not harassment
Is this you admitting that those screens are all real?..
Er ye? I never denied it.
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What do you think harassment is?
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Aggressive pressure or intimidation
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So like that?
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Pissing off tankies just means you’re a net positive to the planet. Rejoice.
Maybe stop being so cringe and acting like a baby
I was born in cringe. Molded by it…
Lmao, pot meet kettle.
Something about you .ml types, you can’t seem to take accountability. It’s always “blame it on that fella over there” type. dodging reality. Sad.
Just remind me again, which instance produces hundreds of hate comments every time one of their shitty takes is removed from another instance? Hint: it’s not us. They have zero tolerance for us, so why should we be tolerant of them exactly? I’m curious to know your logic.
What hate comments are you talking about? I legit don’t know what you are talking about and I post there almost exclusively. You say ‘not us’ but what is this post full of attempted shame on hexbear then? Have you seen the hex thread about defederating? The hex users share kindness for dbzer0 users, the reasons for the banning seemed pretty reasonable and consistent with their policies, and they voted against defederating. From my perspective this whole situation seems a bit immature.
This whole thing started because one .ml poster got salty than we removed one post of theirs from piracy and went there to whine as they know hexbear loves to just believe any disinfo that reinforces their dislike. At which point it was a thread full of insults and hate (as usual). When I tried to explain calmly why we actually removed the post, there were a few initial positive interactions which were followed by Americans waking up and starting the bad faith arguments with a bit of ableism sprinkled in for good measure.
Finally I misused one unwritten rule, once, by following the example of someone who used it towards me (which I respected) which their mod used as an excuse to insult me, remove all my comments and ban me.
I gave them a piece of my mind for that behaviour and the rest is history.
This post is the only attention I’ve given hexbear in this instance since months (the second such attention in total) , while they’ve had multiple of them in the past month alone. Not to mention 1000-comment brigades full of toxicity and sealioning in the past year. Hell they even made a thread explicitly to ridicule my pfp for good measure 😁 I’m not even allowed to vent in my own space apparently.
But sure, we’re immature.
I wasn’t saying you were immature, I said the whole situation was. The impetus for the whole thing, deleting of the post, also seemed to make no sense to me at all. But to elevate the situation after that was what I meant was immature really. And from there it just seemed like a schoolyard fight or something, all of it just being a waste of time distracting and taking energy away from everyone involved.
Yes it was immature to allow that post in the dunk tank immediately believe the salty person and just start hurling abuse and spreading disinfo about our admins again. Their admins once again dropped the ball, but whatever.
Maybe you argue we should be the better people and let other just misrepresent us openly to ferment even more hate towards our instance? I don’t quite agree with that and I felt compelled to calmly set the record straight. Was that so wrong?
Sure, I admit I lost my cool when their admin among all the toxicity they enabled towards us, finally found the flimsiest gotcha to delete all my comments and insult me on top for good measure. I’ll take my “immature” label for that, but I’m only human after all.
Well yes I think all of us should be the better person, obviously easier said than done! I’m not a fan of ridicule or bullying of course (except against actual nazis maybe) and I feel bad if you or anyone has been hurt by harassment. I am mostly just trying to say this sort of infighting is all just taken too seriously, and arguing about ‘tankies’, which can mean any number of things to different people, doesn’t seem helpful to anyone in my view.
For what it’s worth, like another comment said I do really appreciate the work you and others have done to make this instance possible! I don’t have any resentment for anyone in this situation and I hope hexers and us here can all come together better in the future, we have more alike than in difference.
You know what’s funnier? The reason they’re so obsessed with me is because I don’t take this infighting seriously. I don’t know if any of my comments remained after they banned me, but my modus operandi is to just self deprecate or be sarcastic towards insults. This, it appears, has been intolerable, which is why their admin was looking for any excuse to ban me.
However what is actually frustrating is the follow up propaganda, where they pretend and keep repeating that they banned me for being “reactionary” and “harassment”, both of which are blatantly false. But they’ll keep repeating it forever now, attempting to character assassinate me every opportunity. It’s this dishonesty I just can’t stomach.
Citation needed on all this abuse you keep talking about
There’s at least 10 threads in hexbear about me and the instance full of insults and disinfo. Also this is not Wikipedia
So what that’s their instance. They can post what they want there just like you can delete their posts here.
I think everyone who hates hexbear should just… Make a hexbear.net account and go hang out there. That’s what i did, waaaay back when sh.itjust.works defedded. I hadn’t heard about them before and i just had to see what the food was about first-hand.
It’s not the den of wolves people seem to fear. In fact, i spend nearly as much time hanging out in their threads as on this instance. I have always liked learning new perspectives and stuff, and i believe I’ve gained quite a bit from making that place one of my innanet homes
I swear 90% of the people deriding hexbear were offended by one post and never went back or saw a post that was entirely full of sarcastic comments and thought it was unironic. I’m not even ML, I call myself an anarchist and argue about all kinds of shit on hexbear and I have found it to be a very caring community, and actually doesn’t tolerate transphobia or imperialist apologia unlike most online spaces.
Hexbear sends their commissar clown car around to threads they disagree with, especially in political/news communities, and brigade them with their tankie bullshit ideology.
I’m on an instance federated with them, and subscribed to a couple of their comms, but their most popular politics boards are exactly what you’d expect from it being where r/chapoTrapHouse went.
100% agree. Largely, defederation from Hexbear by the larger servers has resulted in a sort of vastly inflated mythology surrounding it.
Just visit it, and see for yourself what it’s actually like, it won’t hurt.
Well? Care to elaborate on your findings?
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They definitely aren’t china/russo spies or the funnier ideas ive seen folks have. They skew about the same age range and nationality as the rest of Lemmy. Lotsa yanks yaknow? They aren’t afraid to show you your own ass if you drop trou around them, and they have the mental acuity to expose every pimple, so you better have a thick skin if you want to speak on something you aren’t as informed on as you think you are. I do have one (id like to think) and i got my clock cleaned over there once, had to touch grass for a few days. But i didn’t get banned or harassed for it. (Probably because i didn’t double down on my opinion) in fact i am still friendly with those same people, even the ones who hurted my feefees.
I think maybe the shock many commenters feel going over there is actually whiplash from the perspective change. From arguing politics from a position of “the left” towards people on “the right” political spectrum.
When you’re talking communists as a liberal, you are the right wing. This whiplash is dizzying and difficult, and not at all pleasant. Unless you plan to learn, and go there with the idea that you are going to learn something, it’s not going to be a fun expedition.
Reason i say one must learn is because there are a lot of things we have been told about what communism/capitalism actually are that are simply untrue. Indeed a lot of additional historical context that kinda change the way one views how we came to be where we are today.
And one doesnt have to believe or agree with the conclusions drawn to gain this insight and perspective, but i feel knowing more is always better than Knowing less. At the very least you may find yourself understanding where they come from, and agree with many points they make.
Ive just read my ramble and i don’t know if it is descriptive or helpful at all haha. Lemme just say in closing i think those folks have good heads on their shoulders and I’m quite glad i found them. taking the time to try to understand what they’re about was a lesson for me in both political theory and history and i am better for it
Thank you! Sounds point, and I appreciate you typing all that. I will check it out with an open mind. But that will be difficult. I come from a place where socialism/communism was implemented, in which the message was “being rich is a bad thing,” and the government is just a bunch of hypocrite authoritarian corrupts. So I have my reservations.
But I’m always willing to learn.
Yeah I agree with a lot of what you’ve said here. I actually switched to db0 from lemm.ee as my primary instance when hexbear defederated from ee. I mostly lurk anyways but I do like seeing their posts from time to time, at the very least it’s good to get a wider perspective on things. Tbh Lemmy in general and especially the leftist instances have made me reconsider some of my long standing beliefs and have contributed greatly to my radicalization lol
Not who you asked, but it really is just a group of rowdy leftists that do not tolerate liberalism of any manner. Defederation has resulted in an inflated mythology surrounding them, as though they are a pack of rabid animals, but if you go on their site it’s pretty normal for a leftist space.
but if you go on their site it’s pretty normal for a leftist space
A dirtbag left space, certainly. You’ll get dogpiled for most any dissenting opinions, but it’s generally “here’s [link] where you’re dumb and wrong, do better” not “kys bootlicker”.
I don’t get ppb as the peak of comedy, they can keep that
Yep, hence describing them as rowdy. They are kinda like twitch chat in many ways.
I tried finding the point of that opinion piece you linked and found only frustration. Not going after you but the author really. On a different note, could you tell me what ppb is? I looked it up and only found parts per billion
I think that’s the point, no? They’re enthusiastic, but turn that energy into online spaces to argue. Yes there’s organizing in meatspace, but largely devolves into online circle-jerks. Like us all.
To your point about organizing there are seemingly more folks on there who do it for real, i don’t have numbers tho just vibes from hearing peeps on there talking about their work. Ymmv. But you’re not chiding them for not being political enough are you? They have no more responsibility to do that than you or i do (a responsibility i personally haven’t risen to since Bernie).
Ppb
Ahhhahaha i should have known. But i love ppb (and all their cool custom emojis) so we’ll have to disagree on that one.
I don’t think people view it as a den of wolves more so a small car filled with clowns. Their instance code of conduct requires a trigger warning to show a picture of an egg.
Also the Lemmy.ml admins when you call Hexbear accounts tankies
Or lemmy.ml mods when you say something mildly critical of China or Russia.
I had a Hexbear account for about a month, and noticed whenever I logged in or refreshed the webpage that someone else’s username would momentarily appear at the top right of my desktop screen where mine would normally be, and then mine would appear.
This had never happened with any of my user accounts in other instances, and I was considering deleting it out of fear that my username (and, perhaps, login credentials) might somehow get compromised.
Anyway, I ended up deleting it for something else – the very same reasons often mentioned in the comments here, after experiencing some of that toxic shit firsthand. Good riddance!
I have them blocked personally, awful server
You may want to remember that blocking servers in lemmy only really targets the communities and doesn’t target users from the instance. So in these situations it kinda doesn’t do anything. It’s a common misconception that instance blocking in Lemmy is stronger than it actually is and many people think it does things that it doesn’t actually do.
Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.
then defederate?
hexbear and lemmygrad should burn in hell, they’re one of the worst places on the internetOnly instance admins can do that though lol
That’s what he is
