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Video evidence of a democrat voting down a minimum wage increase.
The same Dem everyone dragged for being a Dem in name only almost as soon as she started voting dogshit completely contrary to what she ran on? The same Dem who literally left the party because she was never anything more than a corporate shill too corrupt even for the milquetoast neoliberals in the Democratic Party?
And somehow there always seems to be just enough of these “mOdErAteS” to kneecap a Democratic majority from doing what they promised when they get power.
Must be a coincidence 🤔
That’s usually how most narrow majorities work. Conspiratorial thinking doesn’t help push forward a progressive agenda.
It’s how things worked when they had a super majority too and backed off on legislating abortion rights.
It’s why big business donates to both parties. Even democrats can be fooled by the corporate propaganda and they all got fundraising targets to meet if they want to keep their seat.
if you want affordable housing we need to de-commodify it and get the investors out. no more airbnb, no more one investor group owning 10s of thousands of single family homes. Dumping regular people’s money into this system, even if we give them a bunch extra, is only gonna drive prices even further up. The necessities of living are not speculation opportunities for the ultra rich.
No more AirBNB for entire properties… If you need to rent out a room a few nights a week to get by it shouldn’t be a problem banning those does a disservice to people who want to take a vacation without be thousands of dollars in the red, and for home owners and renters strapped for cash. Plus it would give hotels clear monopoly status, and reduce choices for basic accommodations for travelers.
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I’m not sure housing is even a commodity currently. Commodities tend to be interchangeable and generally are affordable or low margin. None of those is true with housing currently.
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A combination of taxes to the point it’s slightly less lucrative than other forms of investing.
We need to remove mortgage backed securities as well housing shouldn’t be part of a portfolio… I am really hating how properties in in demand areas is allowed to sit and decay. There are many properties in Manhattan that have done nothing for decades. There also needs to be fewer regulations with regard to what can be done with them. I really wouldn’t mind a decent Japanese style pod hotel if the price was like $10. An old office building would do well for that.
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I find it strange people find Thatcherisms to be witty.
Government isn’t a monolith, nor are the parties that run it.
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This is the correct answer. If minimum wages go up, the price of everything you buy with those wages increases as well, including housing. There’s artificial scarcity in housing right now because of investment firms and property management firms.
Right, I hate when people ask me if I want to buy a house to invest or to live.
Bitch, I can barely afford one and if I could buy multiple, I wouldn’t because I’m not a piece of shit.
hard same. I’m just tryna actually have something at the end of a lifetime of paying hundreds of thousands of dollars just for the privilege of remaining alive. But the people who already have most of everything are like “Why shouldn’t I have all of this guy’s money and the house?” Swear to God we’ll only have to eat one of them and the rest will fall right back in line.
You are right both sides aren’t the same. But by absolute standards, both sides are really really bad and I think that’s a fair assessment all things considered. One has to be better than the other, but both are bad.
8 members of the Democratic caucus in the senate hate workers so much that they voted against increasing the minimum wage.
Pretending that anyone who notices is "both sides"ing is insulting to the workers Democrats said they totally wanted to help and then betrayed.
The party expects perfect lockstep from the electorate, but doesn’t care about voting with the party when it comes time for the elected to do what we voted them in for.
They don’t expect perfect lockstep from the electorate, they don’t even expect 41 out of 48 voters like they voted. They have literally never gotten it either.
They don’t expect perfect lockstep from the electorate
Vote blue no matter who.
Just checking here, what percentage of blue representatives voted for and what percentage of red representatives voted for? I think that’s where you’ll find the answer for why you vote blue no matter who, because people’s lives are on the line, not because they’re perfect. Then you harass that blue candidate, 'cause fuck those centrists. Still better than the fascists in the far right, though.
Nice diversion. I answered your question about Democrats demanding lockstep behind even their shittiest anti-worker candidates.
I never asked you a question.
Because the alternative is fascists, you dunce. You can’t move the needle left if there’s no needle. Vote blue no matter who has to do with not letting fascists take away our rights and kill women who need abortions.
It’s not Democrats asking you to vote blue no matter who, it’s your fellow Americans who don’t want a fascist takeover. It’s common sense that shouldn’t even need a slogan.
You can’t move the needle left if there’s no needle.
You don’t move the needle by being content, either. Which is why centrists are so fucking angry at people who aren’t pleased as fucking punch at all the deliberate failure of the second worst party.
That’s why I wrote this
Then you harass that blue candidate
We have three powers of control over politicians
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vote
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protest
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media
That’s why they work so hard to take away, delegitimize or sow distrust in those powers. You want to move the needle left, you vote as left as possible and protest and harass them until they do what you want.
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You keep saying “Democrats” and “the party”
Tell me, which party was it that voted in pefect lock step against? Surely by your statements it’s the Democrats…
Oh? It’s not?
Only 8 of the 48 Democrats voted against it?
Well fiddly fee fuck me it sure seems both sides are the same and every Democrat hates workers and would never vote yes for a minimum wage increase
I didn’t vote for Republicans.
I’m not being told that voting for more Republicans will totally get a minimum wage increase passed.
We gave Democrats a majority. They found enough no votes. It’s what they do. In order to overcome the votes of those eight plus all Republicans we would need 59 Democrats in the Senate. And may as well make that an even 60 because Democrats won’t ever get rid of the filibuster.
Of course both sides aren’t the same; that’s just something centrists say when people criticize Democrats in any way at all, because it’s easier than defending the party’s deliberate uselessness.
There’s also an argument to be made for building better cities and more affordable housing (both more affordable and more of it), as well as building a society where you don’t have to buy a car to participate. Life could be a lot more affordable if we didn’t arrange our policies to make it so expensive.
Then we would need to get rid of lobbyists
Or just show up to city council and county supervisors and shout the NIMBYs down
Repugs want nothing less than slavery
Always have. And yet morons who didn’t pay attention in class talk about the party of Lincoln
They proclaim “party of Lincoln” while waving a Confederate flag without a shred of irony or self awareness.
Lot of dems voted against it too
Hello from California! Democrat majority everywhere but it’s “still too hard” to do it. Things that make you go hmmmm
Some of the strongest worker protections in the country and the CCPA. Really makes you wonder how much more you could get if young adults actually voted in elections.
Yeah, Kirsten Sinema (currently an independent and dropped out) and Joe Manchin (who will also be gone soon).
So by “many” you mean “two”?And do you think if those two senators are replaced with GOP senators it will make an increase in minimum wage more likely?
The “uniparty” meme is a Marjorie Taylor Greene thing. Do you agree with the space laser lady?
Do you consider 7 out of 48 Dems to be a lot? Versus every single republican?
What percentage of Sanders supporters do you imagine voted for Trump?
Do you suppose it’s higher than the percentage of Democrats in the Senate who were willing to go on record as hating workers by voting to kill the minimum wage increase?
Because Sanders supporters are still catching shit for the loss Clinton earned, regardless of who they actually voted for in 2016.
If we’re expected to vote like the party wants, why aren’t legislators?
Nice whataboutism.
I suppose it makes little sense to you that I was comparing centrists not getting what they want (Clinton’s coronation) to centrists getting exactly what they all want (no increase to the minimum wage.).
The 2021 federal minimum wage vote had 41 Yea votes from Democrats, 1 from Independent. 7 Democrats and 1 Independent voted Nay. Every single Republican voted Nay.
Economics shenaniganery means that just raising the minimum wage will likely just raise prices.
The state apparatus should probably regulate the prices too, and improve the public housing projects.
Wouldn’t raising minimal wage just raise prices higher without dealing with the underlying problems?
Prices are already getting higher, and we don’t have other solutions.
In Australia, minimum wage is quite high and so are the costs of many goods, but things like Amazon and flight tickets are much cheaper comparatively
That doesn’t answer my question. Prices might be high, but when you just give people more money, they will grow higher. Why wouldn’t they?
That’s just greed. They’re doing that already. Prices right now are crazy high, BUT guess what else is? PROFITS. Record profits everywhere. That shit should be illegal.
Are the record profits still record after being adjusted for inflation?
Money is worth less now than it was this time last year.
Let’s say a profit of $1000 last year is equivalent to a profit of $1200 this year.
Have you made $200 more this year? Well, technically yes but it doesn’t quite have the same purchasing power as it would have if you made it last year instead
You forget that dems vote against it as well: Kyrsten Sinema, Joe Manchin, Jeanne Shaheen, Maggie Hassan, Jon Tester, Tom Carper, Chris Coons, Angus King…
You also forget that a $15/hour minimum wage isn’t even a living wage in current year and that’s what they voted against. Both sides fight for billionaires, stop deluding yourself.
Ah the DINOs. Well two are out at least.
Both sides fight for billionaires, stop deluding yourself.
Nobody’s deluding themselves. I’m pretty sure we all know full well that both sides fight for billionaires, it’s a question of degree and that degree matters. Is $15/hr more or less than $7.25/hr?
IOW, it’s a start… it’s progress. I get that the progress is frustratingly slow. But once you have $15/hr you can keep incrementing it, especially at the state level.
Is $15/hr more or less than $7.25/hr?
Considering the former ain’t fucking happening because Democrats voted with Republicans, your question is irrelevant.
Considering the former ain’t fucking happening because Democrats voted with Republicans, your question is irrelevant.
Which bill are you referring to precisely? The Raise the Wage Act of 2019 was passed by the House but not taken up by the Senate, which at the time had an R majority. The 2021 “American Rescue Plan” bill had an amendment added by Sanders to raise the FMW to $15 but this was removed because it wouldn’t have passed otherwise. An important distinction here is that a number of the 8 democrats who voted to remove the amendment were doing so so that the pandemic relief part could pass. Their various reasons are outlined here. The amendment was a bit of a hail mary that few expected to even make it for purely procedural reasons. So this was a compromise… it wasn’t saying “we democrats don’t want a FMW increase”. There are a couple of DINOs that think that, sure, but two of them are going away.
There are other options here, such as HR 603 (2021-22) which hasn’t been taken up yet. Some dems oppose this because it takes too long to get to $15/hr. But of course we need a house majority to make any progress on that.
And notably, Biden via EO raised the minimum wage for federal workers to $15/hr.
The fight isn’t over. But if anything this just underlines the need for stronger majorities. Throwing up your hands and giving in because it didn’t happen right away is, well, not helpful.
The 2021 “American Rescue Plan” bill had an amendment added by Sanders to raise the FMW to $15 but this was removed because it wouldn’t have passed otherwise.
Because one unelected bureaucrat said so.
Their various reasons are outlined here.
Count the republican talking points about the minimum wage in that link.
It’s always some technicality or detail that forms a se master plan. No, they voted to remove it unlike everyone else.
You don’t understand how the American political system works. Full stop.
You don’t understand how we stop living under the whims of a broken system. By fixating these details completely divorced from the actual helping of others you are prepetuating that those details matter. You are lost and you have no idea what matters.
You don’t understand how we stop living under the whims of a broken system.
Enlighten me.
You are lost and you have no idea what matters.
No really, educate me.
I understand people are suffering because there are always enough votes against workers.
I understand people are suffering because there are always enough votes against workers.
This is true. But is this where your understand of the American political system begins and ends?
Why don’t states with Dem majorities raise the local wage to match housing costs?
Washington State, New York, Minnesota… none of these states have escaped this problem.
Seattle’s minimum wage is currently $19.97/hr. Why are you whining about placed that have already raised their minimum wage by a lot?
Cost of living has outpaced the sub-living wage minimum
California does. We have a state minimum wage of $15/hr, city minimum wages, (varies by the city, but here in San Diego it’s currebtly $16.85 an hour) and now food service minimum wage of $20 an hour at the state level.
You can’t pay for rent in San Diego on a $40k/year salary.
Even slums are going for $2k/mo. And food plus utilities easily puts you over the line.
$20/hr only really works if you’ve got some kind of subsidy or second job.
Oh yeah. I never said that they are keeping up with COL, but they are doing something at least. I personally think that corporations should be banned from owning residential property, but I don’t believe the political will is there to actually manage to do that.
I never said that they are keeping up with COL, but they are doing something at least.
If the cost of living outpaced the wage rate, effective wages are falling.
Because the problem is the capitalist class is holding the government hostage with their lobbying. Shit’s class war, not culture war.
[Sic]“Don’t tell me there’s no class war, of course there’s class war. My class, the rich, started it and we’re winning.”
- Warren Buffet
the problem is the capitalist class
I hope there aren’t any capitalists outside the Republican party.
This thread is chock full of idiots who would vote to lower their own wages because of a spectacular misunderstanding of how inflation works.
Either that or trolls looking to encourage others to fight against raising their own wages.
Either way, it’s sickening.
except democrats dont care either
start building a new system now.
Fight for a better system but still vote democrats. Voting for the lesser evil gives you the lesser evil.
i agree, but at the point a genocidal maniac id the lesser evil, its time.
If young adults consistently and reliably voted at all, we wouldn’t be in a position choosing between this and seeing what “Israel should finish the job” means.
That has mostly been the case in US politics since the founding. You gotta play the hand you’re dealt though.
you’re gonna wanna skip the polls and start buying arms now if that’s your plan
i cant do that by myself. the rest of the people has to recognize the system is broken too.
You also can’t do it if the backslide into full totalitarian fascism reaches the “first they came for the socialists” line in the poem.
Don’t worry - after
HitlerTrump, their turn!totalitarian fascism is already there, the crackdowns on the university protests are looking a lot like it. violence towards the protesters, a pat on the head on the fascist counterprotesters.
and honestly its looking a lot like trump will win anyway, at least that is what the polls are looking like.
we should be bracing for impact.
totalitarian fascism is already there
Fucking lmao
Or don’t skip the polls. Both sides will shoot at you, but one side will shoot much sooner because it wouldn’t necessarily be political suicide for them.
Imagine my surprise when the election comes and goes, one way or another, and these online revolutionaries continue to do… nothing of substance. Just like 4 years ago, and the 4 years before that, and…
i’m all for forcibly restructuring society, but yeah… we know these people will do nothing.
see the university protests and unionization if you want an example in the us. we are organizing protests and actions, but doing systemic change is a collective endeavour.
we actually need much more people to recognize its broken and be willing to help. that wont happen if all you do is begrudingly accept the progressively worsening lesser evils.
We don’t have a minimum wage in Sweden. Wages are mostly dictated by negotiations between employers and unions.
Unions are important.
thats also the reason the ones in power hate them so much!
unions are definetly part of the solution.
Yeah. We have an ongoing thing between Tesla and IF Metall, with a bunch of other unions backing them up. Tesla refuses to sign collective labour agreements, and they’re penalising strikers by taking away stocks they’ve earned. It’s hardly surprising that Tesla doesn’t want to adhere to the Swedish model.
if they dont want to attend to the workers demands in sweden they can get fucked.
Yep. Time to drop the uniparty. Vote TRUMP 2024!
The fuck you doing on Lemmy, you little bitch?
Republicans can’t be on Lemmy? I know it’s mostly Dems on here, but diversity and differing views is a good sign for the platform
You sure can, but don’t start crying when you’re constantly being shitted on for supporting the orange piece of shit. Either way, they offer nothing of value to any conversation other than stupidity, hateful rhetoric, and Donnie. So they can fuck right off.
Being a current day republican isn’t a “view”. It’s hate and should be shunned.
I don’t want those assholes here.
There is a mentality from Boomers and passed along to Gen X that full-time work does not entitle you to anything. That there are just millions of jobs in America that shouldn’t be required to pay people enough to live in the community they work, or anywhere for that matter. As long as that mentality aligns with the goals of capitalism, nothing will change.
You will hear all the excuses in the world justifying low-paying jobs. “Just get a better job if you don’t like the pay” “Those jobs are only for high school kids” “If they raise the pay they will raise the prices” The list goes on. None of them make a ton of sense if you explore the idea any further.
The idea of working hard and being, eventually, rewarded with good pay has been dead for decades. It is widely accepted that the easiest way to increase your pay is moving to a different company, which speaks a lot about longevity in this late-stage capitalism era most of us are living in today.
I agree that people sbould be able to live comfortably with their job, even a low skill one. But the idea that raising wages will mean increase prices does check out though. That, or people with higher skill jobs will be paid less and then they will be the ones to suffer the most.
Imo, we should aim to make things more efficient, thus cheaper because they actually became cheaper. E.g. solving the housing crisis => cheaper rent. Public healthcare => cheaper healthcare. Better schools => better citizens that leave less trash around => less expensive trash management. More public transport, less need to buy or do maintenance to a car etc. And so on and so forth.
Minimum wages can’t fix this problem (they can fix others), they’re just a bandaid on a severed limb.
This is how brainwashed capitalism has made us. In a society that is purely driven by money the thought that giving people their fair share means my prices might increase. Instead, we should fix every societal problem first before doing the one thing that would actually work.
We have record inflation now, is it because major cities have passed $15+ minimum wage? Not at all, not even a little. Further proof that a pandemic has a thousand times more influence than simply paying people more.
Oh and the horrible thought a “high” skilled laborer might be paid less shudder. Like a doctor might only get paid $90k instead of $150k. How could they survive!?
What other convenient tropes should we trot out to disfranchise the only real solution of just paying people what they deserve. Oh that’s right they don’t deserve it because they are lazy or low-skilled or any of the other bullshit excuses we have been force fed our entire lives.
Eh I think you missed my point entirely. And, by the way, being a doctor is simply put very hard, that’s why they’re paid more than people who flip burgers who just flip burgers, and doctors are also rarer and I believe you want to have a good doctor don’t you? Because he’s simply going to get up and leave to another place where he is paid properly if you don’t pay him a good wage. Also, you don’t make any actual good points in your long answer.
Pleaso go study economics. Thank you.
I didn’t miss your point because it was sophomoric in nature and therefore underdeveloped. Your belief in the meritocracy just shows how ridiculously brainwashed you are. It is okay, most of us are one way or another I suppose.
Society might not be meritocratic, but at the end of the day life is… You’re just bitter you don’t deserve better.
You are really reaching there Mr. I buy the rhetoric hook line and sinker. It is clear who is bitter here and it is not the accomplished father of four who owns a million dollar house. Good talking with you.
It is not what you own that makes you an accomplished person
It’s pretty funny to me to see Americans claiming that a full-time job should be sufficient to have your basic needs met - as if the unemployed should live in dire poverty.
I would fully support some kind of UBI or someway to ensure that those who can’t work can live semi-independent lives. But in order for there to be money to support that system, a majority of people do have to work.
The alternative is some kind of utopian society that has yet to exist. If we make it to Star Trek and not Blade Runner I will fully embrace the idea that everyone can have all of their needs covered without the requirement for others to indirectly support that through labor and taxes. But until then, improving workers ability to support themselves also improves the ability to support those who cannot.
Where I’m from there has been a minimum income guarantee since 1965. In fact, the constitution says the government should ensure every resident has sufficient income to live. A single-person household with someone who is permanently unemployed receives about $1500 per month (you receive additional money per child). This is the lowest income a legal resident is allowed to have. Every rich European country has a similar system, though most opt to cover rent for the poorest, and give a smaller amount for the remaining expenses.
It turns out that willingness to work isn’t an issue, because most people don’t actually like to do nothing. The employment rate is far higher than in the US.
One step at a time, alright? 😅
