Yeah, screw Biden at this point. He’s basically 2016 Trump on so many policies. 2024 Trump is going to be worse but so what.
Yeah, screw Biden at this point. He’s basically 2016 Trump on so many policies. 2024 Trump is going to be worse but so what.
You might want to spend a wee bit more time educating yourself on these issues. Because you are so horribly wrong it’s not even funny.
Not at all. Stop being brainwashed. Voted for him in the past. Won’t again.
also Biden 🤡
I assumed this one was satire, is that a real tweet?
Trump tariffs were too small.
That’s right, Joe knows how to protect the interests of American oligarchs much better than that charlatan.
This is the top response on Twitter now.
I’m surprised they haven’t deleted it, but I guess that would be even more embarrassing since it’s already archived.
nice now the all the cartels will start wheeling and dealing cpus and evs woo woo…
This is what we needed to encourage the fascist Biden vote!
It will do wonders!
So end H1B visas and refocus tax dollars on infrastructure and education you fucking prick.
these actions already admit defeat
Are iphones tariffed as well? It’s also from China
Technically. However, the end product is sold by a US company, so from the gov. POV it is fine.
Banning chinese manufactured products would mean banning a huge portion of the domestic market.
So US companies will buy things those from China, slap a logo on it and sell American Made goods at a h huge markup
Technically yes. However, most of the time, they just outsource manufacturing. Research and developement is still usually done in house. Apple for example, wrote the software and designed the hardware for the iPhone but assembles it in China because of cost.
What an awful god damn tweet. Are the tariffs to combat Chinese governmental meddling? If so, great. If not then they’re protectionist stupidity that’s sure to draw a response. This tweet sure makes it sound like it’s the latter. sigh
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These go right against our goals to increase use of solar and EVs. ☹️
I’d rather we ensure higher standards of safety and quality for our vehicles, which are already terrifying death machines, but the hit to solar is a real step backwards.
That’s a cop out. Cars aren’t getting registered without meeting safety requirements.
It does sadly. On the flip side, China seems to be trying to capture car manufacturing markets by subsidizing their producers. This would probably be a bad thing in the future if allowed. Hopefully the US government does more work on making it easier to purchase electric cars in the US(specifically the price) while also reducing the need for driving.
While true, the cost differentials go much deeper, and they affect all products & services.
Michael Hudson: America’s Neoliberal Financialization Policy vs. China’s Industrial Socialism
What exactly is wrong with a country subsidizing green energy products? Not only that, but making them available cheaply to other countries?
I’m not precisely sure where I stand on this, but I understand the primary policy arguments for this decision would be something like this:
The problem comes later, when a specific actor has an outsized market share and then exploits their trade advantage for other concessions.
It also prohibits domestic competition for those products, especially in countries with high standards of living and wages. This negates competition and innovation, since most corporations don’t have the ability to compete with an entity with the capacity to eat cost like the Chinese government.
The point of trade decisions, is to import products you don’t have enough domestic production to cover the demand for.
We know that the US auto and oil industries have no sincere desire to build EVs anyway (or any green industry whatsoever), because they did their best to kill their domestic production of EVs in the 90s, and there’s no US industry for solar panels.
This is all just part of the US’s trade war with China, that is prioritizing the profits of its auto and oil industries over the wellbeing of the environment, and the desires of its citizens for electric vehicles.
I can’t say I disagree with anything you’ve said. It really is silly, given the US auto manufacturer industry’s continuous fuck ups, and pulling out of EVs. But hopefully this makes risk taking more likely in other countries’ car industries to move into the US market. Tesla seemed close to really catching on, but then again EVs have always been seen as “elite” here.
But I suppose the question is whether there is that much demand for EVs? This could protect what demand there is, to at least make an even playing field for US or US ally made EVs.
Speaking to your first point: users of Lemmy aside, I don’t think there’s that much demand for pure electric vehicle yet across the US. We so routinely travel such long distances here, and charging infrastructure just isn’t quite there outside of urban corridors to facilitate the easy usage of fully electric vehicles.
So hopefully this can protect domestic or other countries’ industries until the idiots that comprise the US consumer market catch up to global realities.
But I suppose the question is whether there is that much demand for EVs?
Remove the tariffs / open up the market and you’ll find out. I suspect that there wouldn’t be a need for these tariffs if the demand wasn’t there.
it undermines any less subsidized green energy industry which can lead to monopolies in the long run.
They’re oversaturating the market with low-quality products. This can be a significant problem when there are safety implications.
It sounds you’re still stuck in the 1990s. Where do our iPhones and other smartphones and our laptops come from? Where do many of the parts in our cars come from? What country has more high speed rail than every other combined? What country has its own space station?
I’m sorry but this argument doesn’t make sense. Don’t you have safety rules in the US? If the Chinese cars aren’t safe to drive nobody should be authorized to drive them in the first place. If they are safe, no need for tariffs then.
This decision has absolutely nothing to do with alleged poor manufacturing quality. It’s protectionism, pure and simple.
The Chinese cars are probably much safer on the road then the huge pedestrian killing machines built by US manufacturers.
Truck SUV moment:
Why can’t they just certify cars based on safety and ban unsafe ones instead of blanket ban the entire segment of them. It certainly helps the adoption of EV among masses.
This is what the NHTSA has done since its formation in 1970.
The US Government doesn’t want US automakers to lose market share so that they have plenty of manufacturing capacity that could be retooled to make weapons in case of war.
When a trillion dollars a year doesn’t commit enough warcrimes :(
Makes sense. Also petro-profits.
Also there is no US auto-manufacturer is going all in on EVs, they’re all mostly building gas-guzzling oversized trucks and SUVs. US automakers intentionally killed EVs in the 90s, and hoped no other country would start building them.
Also no US auto-manufacturer is going all in on EVs
Tesla? Rivian? Lucid? Faraday? Fisker?
To be clear, yes, of course I understand that those are all luxury brands, but that doesn’t make your statement any less false.
No, the major auto manufacturers aren’t going all-in on EVs, but that are all getting deeper every year. There’s no reason to expect that progress to slow down, as they’re all quite entrenched in the technology at this point.
Average new car cost is $55,821, and average cost of ownership is $12,182.
The American manufacturers do not want lower prices. Dealerships don’t like electrics because there’s less maintenance.
Tesla? Rivian? Lucid? Faraday? Fisker?
To be clear, yes, of course I understand that those are all luxury brands, but that doesn’t make your statement any less false.
I mean, of course the explicitly EV-making startups are going to be all-in on EVs. The distinguishing feature that makes them not count compared to [established] US auto manufacturers isn’t that their stuff is luxury, it’s that they didn’t exist before and have no previous internal-combustion product line to pivot away from.
What companies have gone all in on EV making that isn’t a relatively new company/startup?
Really important for world emissions for the US specifically to transition to EVs too, considering it has the highest per capita road emissions in the world.
Most of that is because we truck everything and trains only get used for extreme bulk like coal
The big pickup trucks and large SUVs dont help either.
Don’t forget overloading them with hazardous materials, only to eventually inevitably crash and cause another social, economic, and climate disaster!
We can thank the US oil and auto industries (the same ones dictating these green energy tariffs to their political puppets), for that too.
Interestingly, China and India, who were told are massive polluters, aren’t even on that list.
That graphic is limited to a comparison of emissions from use of roads only.
Of course, not roads only, the USA is still terrible and China and India are still not on the list.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/270508/co2-emissions-per-capita-by-country/
There is zero chance China is that far down.
China has a lot of capita. Most of them dont have cars.
Most east Asian countries are fairly low down on the list. They have excellent public transport, the world’s best high-speed rail networks, and a significant number of road vehicles are already electric.
Cope lol
EVs are expected to reach 45% marketshare in 2024 in CN. Also I guess you haven’t seen their high speed rail network expand over the last decade (pressuring their car market in general). Then you have a lot of capita. So yes the numbers make sense.
China is mostly building rail to solve its transportation issues, so this is completely unsurprising.
hell yea FUCK the environment lmao
remember when dems made fun of trump for “chi-na” stuff? good times
See, they were making fun of him saying Chai-nuh, and the way he was pursuing hostilities, not the hostilities themselves.
Same deal with the Iraq War until like 2006. Kerry’s pitch was not that it was bad and should be ended but that it was being run incompetently.
Or ask any Blue Maga what specific immigration reforms they want. They want the same thing, they just have minor disagreements on how to get there or even just aesthetics.
Also medical supplies, including masks, because COVID is Joever.
It’d be really funny if those raw milk drinkers started a bird flu pandemic during a medical PPE shortage 😂
For every voter who wants a habitable planet, a cheap electric car, or to catch covid less we lose, we’re gonna pick up two moderate republicans!
A) Moderate
B) republican
Pick one
He’s making fun of Chuck Schumer “quote”
That’s the joke.
There’s a total of about 10 never-trump-republicans, and all of them have jobs at NYT, CNN, or MSNBC telling their audience that all the bad things Biden does are electorally smart because there’s a bunch of moderate republican swing voters who will choose diet-fascism over the real thing.
This is the same tack they took in 2016, from Chuck Schumer going “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin” to every pundit saying “suberban women are going to decide this election” and using that to explain why generally unpopular policies are electorally smart.
F. I’m trying to buy solar panels right now and China has some good ones.
Interesting word choice. China wants to “dominate”, the US wants to “lead”.
I mean, of course there’s loaded language in all this. Are you also surprised at the language and rhetoric used by Chinese government and media sources when they talk about the US?
I don’t tend to see that stuff, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
You can’t say the quiet part out loud.
