• Allonzee@lemmy.world
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    No, I’m saying the people proudly declaring they feel unsafe in a warm room with a full belly seem far more concerned about others like them than the ones dying quietly under freeways, 40% of whom are also women, in danger primarily from hunger and nature that they and we could do something about.

    And yes, absolutely, we should help that lady under that freeway who doesn’t have a smartphone to make up hypotheticals first and at a higher priority because A) Yes she is suffering considerably more and B) there’s are many tangible courses of action to drastically improve that situation. “Be better” and “fix eachother,” the end lesson of this particular social media cycle, are intentionally vague pleasantries that may make some feel good to say while making others feel bad, but accomplishes nothing other than entrenching the most extreme positions.

    If we want to demonstrably be better, let’s be like the Nordic nations and basically end homelessness. Less women will be suffering to death. We’ll have a genuine national pride moment we need. And from the perspective of their daily suffering, yeah this forest hypothetical the people with full bellies in warm rooms are arguing over probably is very insulting.

    We literally have a third world country in our collective backyards, if we aren’t living in those tent cities, they have bigger problems than us as we literally invent new rhetorical fights. If the bear posit wasn’t an invitation to give a shit about others, what was it?

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      Ah so now we are on track, you really dont need to write your way around with so much bullshit, what you are saying is that women fears are imaginary to you, because they have a full belly, so all the problems they are telling you about dont exist because you, as in a singular person do not suffer them, so they must not exist because they can eat and have a home.

      As you keep talking about homeless i will repeat: im all about helping homeless people, and also those in need before they get to being homeless. But that doesnt mean im blind to other people problems.

      Its funny how you are able to go around so much to not say the reality: the only problem you see is what capitalism tells you, which is some people is poor, people that is not poor dont really have a reason to complain because there are others in much worse state so shut up. I guess you have the same view with unionizing and fighting for better working conditions? We are not under a freeway so we really should not complain? Lets shut up about working conditions because we have a full belly and a home so thats enough?

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        A) class war informs all other wars. It is the root of most social ills. The owners literally stoke wars like these for profit and to keep us divided, and hello there, its working like a charm. Alice Walton would boil a thousand little girls and boys in acid if it made her an extra nickel. It’s just business after all, and that validates pretty much any horror.

        B) problems should be addressed from the most severe. If we are wholly unwilling to tangibly address the largest problems, as we’ve proven we are, shrugging, walking over the dead frozen homeless lady’s corpse we could have fed, sheltered and saved, to say its too big and move on to try to help a woman in a home, with heat, with food, with a locked door, loudly feeling unsafe on the internet instead of prioritizing the next homeless lady that’s still alive but dying isn’t ethical.

        We’ve proven we can’t do both, hell, we’ve proven we can’t do either as a society. So how will “fix each other” and “be better” as the moral hypotheticals as outlines for a larger problem solving strategy make progress for… anyone?

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          You need to read a bit more i think, or i missed when Marx said that the only way to fight class wars is helping homeless people (which again i support) and also i think i missed when it said that problems should be adressed from the most severe which means we need to forget about sexism and racism and low wages as long as we can “have a roof and a full belly” as you said.

          I think i also missed when no one with half a brain said that it’s proven we cant do both.

          I really think you are so full of yourself that even lost track of what class war even means, you need to stop saying so much that you disregard womens problem because there are homeless people, maybe you should touch a bit of grass and go to communities and see what are their problems.