This term is trickier since it is entangled with Europe’s long standing use of blackness to denote wrongness. & that whole dichotomy of good=white bad=black is an often talked about source of controversy in literature.
As the wiki says “It means a situation in which somebody accuses someone else of a fault which the accuser shares”. In the case of the quote the fault is being black. Both pot and kettle are black.
Here is an article I found that did a good job delving into the topic. They end up agreeing the term is okay to use but also offer some alternative phrases that side step the potentially offensive phrasing. My fav was, “the wifi calling the narrator unreliable”.
I agree with the article that the phrase has nothing to do with race. Also, blackness in the idiom doesn’t connote shame or badness and it’s ok to use it.
I don’t mostly because I have a ‘replays in the middle of the night’ memory of using it in conversation with a black woman & she let me know exactly how it made her feel. Idk sometimes offense isn’t about history it’s just about how the random person next to you feels & the phrase isn’t so important to me that I can’t express the same thing in different words.
I’m struggling to think of a situation where I’d say that to a black woman but I can see how in hindsight it wouldn’t be the best turn of phrase. Obviously we should be aware of what we’re saying to an audience, but at face value it’s not a racist phrase and the lady was wrong to shame you for it.
“Pot calling the kettle black” isn’t racist though, you gotta know the right things and raise the right awareness.
This term is trickier since it is entangled with Europe’s long standing use of blackness to denote wrongness. & that whole dichotomy of good=white bad=black is an often talked about source of controversy in literature.
As the wiki says “It means a situation in which somebody accuses someone else of a fault which the accuser shares”. In the case of the quote the fault is being black. Both pot and kettle are black.
Here is an article I found that did a good job delving into the topic. They end up agreeing the term is okay to use but also offer some alternative phrases that side step the potentially offensive phrasing. My fav was, “the wifi calling the narrator unreliable”.
Well, white people aren’t white and black people aren’t black, so there’s that.
I agree with the article that the phrase has nothing to do with race. Also, blackness in the idiom doesn’t connote shame or badness and it’s ok to use it.
Definetly your choice to make.
I don’t mostly because I have a ‘replays in the middle of the night’ memory of using it in conversation with a black woman & she let me know exactly how it made her feel. Idk sometimes offense isn’t about history it’s just about how the random person next to you feels & the phrase isn’t so important to me that I can’t express the same thing in different words.
I’m struggling to think of a situation where I’d say that to a black woman but I can see how in hindsight it wouldn’t be the best turn of phrase. Obviously we should be aware of what we’re saying to an audience, but at face value it’s not a racist phrase and the lady was wrong to shame you for it.