At one point during the interrogation, the investigators even threatened to have his pet Labrador Retriever, Margosha, euthanized as a stray, and brought the dog into the room so he could say goodbye. “OK? Your dog’s now gone, forget about it,” said an investigator.
Finally, after curling up with the dog on the floor, Perez broke down and confessed. He said he had stabbed his father multiple times with a pair of scissors during an altercation in which his father hit Perez over the head with a beer bottle.
Perez’s father wasn’t dead — or even missing. Thomas Sr. was at Los Angeles International Airport waiting for a flight to see his daughter in Northern California. But police didn’t immediately tell Perez.
When shit like this happens, we need an armed mob outside the department the next day.
armed mob
dare I ask why they should be armed? what good do you think will come from that?
It is insurance, in case the cops respond with force.
and you think you’ll just get away with shooting a cop?? even if they were guilty you’d be gunned down by their buddies in your sleep.
If the protesters outnumber the cops and are all armed, the cops would likely fall back or be outgunned, even if the protesters take losses.
Peace would be ideal. But the reality is that with the manageable sized protesters that show up, they would probably order the crowd to disperse and when they don’t, you’re likely to be beaten, tear gased, and arrested by some militant armed thugs in riot gear despite being peaceful. It might make rounds in the news for a couple of days then everyone would forget about it before long and nothing will change as usual. All the while the ones who sit above the law (you know, the class that cops protect) are laughing away while sipping fancy wine in their gilded towers with private security, looking down at the entertaining misfortune of the poor batteries that power their money printing machine.
They should be armed so they can kill cops. And the good that will come of it is dead cops.
ACAB - but don’t advocate killing ANYONE.
Can I report comments that promote meat eating for promoting killing?
Oh, people have tried, they get laughed off and ignored.
Well that seems like a double standard. What makes a cop’s life worth more than an innocent cow? Some kind of supposed biological supremacy?
Those fucking bastard pigs are already an armed mob and they’re more armed than we’d ever be. There’s no winning against them in any “fair” fight.
In the US cops routinely beat up unarmed peaceful protestors while being pretty respectful to armed but still ostensibly peaceful protestors.
For legitimate self defence
For legitimate self defence
For legitimate self defence
Disgusting.
Almost as disgusting as the fact that they’ll likely keep doing this with no repercussions.
Pretty much this. Since the taxpayers are footing the bill and, from what we can tell, the officers have had absolutely no discipline placed upon them, they’ll keep doing this. Because they know it works. It doesn’t matter that they tried to get an innocent man to admit to actual murder, all they want is that confession - not necessarily the truth (because the truth is hard and simply threatening or beating a confession out of someone who’s been arrested is much easier).
Hey. Political campaign managers. Mandatory malpractice liability insurance for police officers in the United States would be a salient piece of legislation or executive order to advertise.
The problem with the modern police system is that there’s not a giant insurance company able to derive profit when courts rule police aren’t liable for their actions.
Yeah, that’s a fair point. So they’d probably allow an amendment that subsidizes the insurance company with taxpayer funds and makes the total cost of coverage tax-deductible for the cops.
or maybe we just don’t have insurance, and we prevent this from even happening, or better yet, set up a fund for this type of shit.
The point of the insurance is to have a third party that can evaluate risk for each cop. Some cops with a prior incident will have to pay more for their insurance. Some will have to pay a LOT more, and others will be unable to get it. Putting it on the cop without insurance just means they go bankrupt without paying the victims.
Honestly that would still be an improvement
States are slowly removing qualified immunity, so we have that going for us
Jesus fucking shit.
A man needs a name
They don’t publish the names of the bad officers in this story or any others because of fear of retribution. But it wasnt always this way. Police unions put pressure on media to remove the names because the officers felt threatened. Imagine being a bully and then demanding protection for it? That’s the police. They are cowards and should be exposed to the public as a matter of safety. It will keep the police polite.
Until the police union releases the names of the officers who did this, their community should treat the entire department like they were all collectively responsible, and act accordingly
They are collectively responsible because they are still employed there and none of their other officers refuse to work with them, pressure the department, or do anything about the situation.
And I find it unlikely no one else at the station knew what they were doing for all that time. ACAB.
How do you know any of that is even true?
I don’t understand what’s the point ? Why would the police even do that ? I mean, unless they are psychopath of some kind ? Why would they lose 17hours of their time like that ?
That’s unbelievable.
Didnt see one thing about cops being charged or the chief being fired. FUCK THE POLICE!
Fascists take care of their jackboots what can we say
Watch “Power” on Netflix and one get the gist. Society needs the police, but there are plenty of sick sadistic mofos in their ranks.
Society needs the police
So why the fuck aren’t they held to a higher standard than the rest of us?
This is what I don’t get. I’m a nurse, and since I (ostensibly) have people’s lives in my hand, we are checked and double-checked, have to do continual education, and literally everything we do needs to be documented and audited.
And our goal is always to prevent harm to the patient. Why do people who can legally end someone’s life not have the same, or much more strict, standards (I’m asking this rhetorically, I don’t really want an answer).
It seems like adapting medical licensing and reporting requirements would help get us on the right track, or at the very least help hold police accountable.
Same here. I’m in a position where I’m liable for over a thousand people if any become hurt or die due to my negligence. If I fuck up badly, I could do serious jail time and never work in my industry again. Plus I had to attend university for eight years.
People can waltz in with no education, complete a training course of just a few months, and become police officers, able to kill or harm others with significant impunity.
Society may need law enforcement, but not what we have today.
Society needs the police
Says who?
If there are bad people in the police, there would be bad people without the police.
Some people are bad. Why give any of us more power and less oversight than the rest?
Well that’s the real issue, the oversight. It’s not that they exist, that’s retarded. It’s that they have very little oversight, training, or personal accountability. Those things need to be added to the police force.
How anyone wouldn’t see that “no police” would lead to either complete chaos, military controlled or a bunch of tiny dictatorships being controlled by the citizens who already owned guns before the police got defunded, which is pretty damn close to chaos, is baffling. The only argument for how getting rid of the police could be a good thing relies on the assumption that only good people will have guns.
Centralized, overwhelming military power makes the formation of alternate military power structures impossible.
The idea of a police force is to prevent the formation of a gang with enough violent power to control others.
a gang with enough violent power to control others.
Sooo… the police exists to prevent the existence of police?
I think you mean the formation of a different violent gang. One that doesn’t extrajudiciously represent the owner classes interests.
Assuming that being in the police doesn’t make people worse.
Assuming that that’s the only way people become worse.
So mob rule. Got it.
People think the police do a lot of things they don’t actually do, and aren’t required to do.
Police don’t – and don’t have to – protect anyone, prevent crimes - even if they can see someone committing a crime and can stop it - Chase down criminals running from them, go find criminals that have been reported, bring criminals for court dates, and more.
Basically all police are genuinely required to do is file a report when someone reports a crime. And I think that society could get away with not having that.
Basically everything about the justice system that you probably care about and that supports society is done by someone other than a cop, or just isn’t actually done at all and people presume it is.
I was standing on a corner in downtown Seattle and someone standing next to me wanted to sell me crack. I crossed the street and a cop pulled up to a red light. While crack dealer still standing there, I tell the cop and point at the guy. He tells me to call 911 and then drove off.
That’s the time it dawned on me that they don’t really care about crime happening in their face
It’s funny - I live in a neighborhood where I routinely need to call the police. They don’t show up.
If you need to call the police and they don’t show up, but somehow you made it out of that situation, it sounds like you didn’t need the police.
Yeah - I’m not sure if the homeless woman thats being abused by my drug dealer neighbor who’s screams wake me up at 3 am is going to make it out though :)
worst take I’ve read all month
Hilarious that the parent comment https://lemmy.world/comment/10245666 was overwhelmingly supported and offers essentially the same message.
Have you tried donating a few hundred thousand dollars to your local police union?
Well I do for a start. I imagine I’m not the only one.
Well I do for a start.
You do? Unless you’re a capitalist… no you don’t.
The history of policing is no longer hidden from us like it was in the days before the internet. It’s not society that “required” police - it’s capitalist parasites that required police to protect them from society.
What a bunch of cunts.
Link to the article since I didn’t see it posted.
Just don’t say anything but “I’d like a lawyer” literally every time they ask you something. Nothing but that sentence, period. They are legally obligated to get you one. Kid didn’t know any better. Fucking assholes.
Gentle reminder, in many places, “I’d like a lawyer” and similar statements do not actually invoke your right to have an attorney present and have been judged too confusing by the courts to count.
Look up the actual phrase required in your area.
What phrase should we use then?
According to cases settled by the supreme court, you have to be clear, unambiguous, and express you’re invoking your right in a way that “the average police officer can understand the person’s intent to actually invoke their rights”.
In practice, this means no slang, no “maybe” or “possibly”. It’s best to be direct and simple. Something like “I am invoking my right to remain silent and I am invoking my right to an attorney”. IANAL and have not been arrested though, but this is advice I’ve been given from cops in the family and seen reiterated before.
I am invoking my right to an attorney, and my right to remain silent.
Then STFU.
And don’t use any slang. In one case, they said “I want lawyer, dawg”. The police later said that they thought he wanted a lawyer dog and since such does not exist they didn’t comply.
The judge ruled in favour of the police.
Sorry, your argument that you asked repeatedly for your lawyer does not mean your rights were impeded. You see, our cops are idiots, and not only is that your problem, it’s also your fault
You are a fucking shitty investigator if you have to threaten to kill a man’s dog to get him to talk. I’m surprised this guy still has all of his fingernails.
Damn. Why’d it have to be the IE?
It’s everywhere, this is just the one that made the news this week.
I felt this. IE represent
Ayyy! I was hoping to find my IE Lemmy users .
There are tens of us!
Boy its a good thing rule 4 is here to make sure no one calls for being done to the officers involved what they did to that poor kid. 🙄
it’s lemmy.world, the majority of users are terrible people
