I looked at /r/conservative last night and it was not good for my mental health. Thousands of commenters all agree it was a sham trial that he will win on appeal and that this will only earn him votes.
The last two things, they may be right about and that’s terrifying.
I haven’t been to that sub, but is there any way to estimate how many there are Russian operatives or bots? I’m guessing this conviction will be fertile fodder for encouraging uprisings amongst Trumpies.
I’ve no idea.
Yeah, what’s been going on this whole time with Trump is gaslighting. It’s extremely bad for all of our mental health.
Our nation is sick, and the first bit of medicine we need is some semblance of justice for one of the most renown white collar criminals to ever hit the American spotlight:
Trump must be published for his crimes. If he is not, then America and the entire world is at risk of destabilizatiom.
At least he can only appeal all the at to the State Supreme Court so the fedsoc six can’t fuck with it.
He’ll try to get it to the us supreme court though, probably arguing that because the fraud was on a us election it’s a federal matter.
They don’t even realize that that’s not how appeals work. It’s not just “the appellate court says acquittal,” there needs to A) have been a failure in the legal process which B) would have been impactful on the jury’s verdict during the first trial for an appeal to be successful. Appellate courts only address the legal process. An appellate court would only get into addressing the facts of the case if there was an absolutely glaring smoking gun to point to some evidence or testimony having been false.
You know, like Allen Weisselberg does when he testifies.
Even if an appellate court was to side with Trump’s appeal, that just means it goes back to the lower court to be tried again, unless the DA goes “yeah, forget it.”
This right here. I am not a legal expert, but I do know that this is how it typically works. The point I want to make, though, is that the prosecution likely knew trump would want to appeal, thus tried to make their legal process as air tight and by the book as possible
Those are mostly bots or paid Russian actors
How do we know that? Absolutely some are but I have no idea what the ratio is
I dunno it’s reddit, really hard to tell which are real people over there
They said mostly. I know a few Trump supporters. They’ll all agree with each other that it was a sham trial, but it wont amount to anything. They peaked with January 6th and even that was pathetic compared to real revolutions from history.
If there actually was a real Revolution they’d get wiped out pretty quickly. At some level they actually do know that or at least the brighter ones do.
They won’t do anything for the same reason that most Russians won’t do anything about Putin. Actually putting your life on the line is a pretty big ask, and most of them wouldn’t dare do it.
If there actually was a real Revolution they’d get wiped out pretty quickly.
Not sure if serious… wipe out by who, exactly?
Themselves.
On more than one occasion in my life, they’ve been told not to drink bleach to cure diseases. Disinfo has a cost, and our (somewhat) stable and (somewhat) educated society is bearing the brunt of it right now. When they can’t get to doctors, or they resort to prayer and holistic medicine for mortal wounds and illness, their herd will start to thin dramatically.
Police, armed forces, themselves. Every time far right forces push out an “other” group, they stater othering each other.
I think the scenario is flipped between Russians and US Republicans. Russians don’t protest because they don’t know how bad they have it. There were occupying Russians in Ukraine who didn’t know what “automatic” toilets were. They only knew the manual ones where you brought in a bucket of water to pour in to flush the toilet, but because most adults in Russia only know Putin’s Russia, they believe all the propaganda.
US Republicans don’t know how good they have it because their propaganda is based on the world being a Zero Sum Game and any rights minorities gain means that loose equivalent rights. Legalizing Gay Marriage means their Cis Marriage has less value. But they don’t really think they have it that bad. They wont admit it, but they have too much to loose with a revolution. They may want one, but they aren’t willing to actually put themselves in harms way. Why do you think they all freaked the hell out over Ashli Babbitt being shot dead? None of them actually understand that that’s what a real Revolution entails.
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So you agree… that wasn’t an act of revolution or insurrection?
It was a feeble attempt at an insurrection by a bunch of soft skin, small minded cucks who have daddy issues. None of those people have actually suffered a fraction what they think they have.
Russians took over the mod positions way back. That was enough to ensure the narrative is maintained.
Who do you think was “on the fence” about Trump but now that he is a convicted felon is now definitely convinced Trump is their guy?.. because this is the only way he gets more votes after the conviction
I don’t know. It might convince some elderly or very young idiots that their vote is more important than ever and increase turnout. But I have no idea. I’m just terrified of another term of trump. He would end the United States’ chance of improving any time soon.
As opposed to… lol Biden? You do realize we’re at the verge of losing relations that benefit the U.S., right? With Biden and those like Biden running things, the Global South will be the new power house of the world.
Congrats on winning the “weirdest take of the day” award today
You’re saying that the potential for the economic development of historically exploited colonies under Biden is a more grave risk than the potential end of democracy in America under Trump?
Trump did a lot to alienate allies too, way more than Biden has a far as I know. You really are clueless.
My favorite is the ones crying about how America has fallen into nazism because… Trump got convicted of a crime with overwhelming evidence of it.
And its especially funny considering how down with nazism they have been until its conversationally convenient to suddenly cry about the evil nazi persecution.
They move the goalpost at every turn.
I remember when they said he’d win big in 2020. I remember when they said he wouldn’t be indicted. Next it’s some other silly line in the sand. They’re not exactly great prognosticators.
They call it a sham but I ask, where is the proof? There is, of course, zero.
It’s in New York tho!?! Checkmate, libturds
The party of snowflakes lol
OK, so now I halfway-hope the vigilantes that try to do this will end up facing criminal charges for it
But, I also halfway-expect cops and prosecutors to look the other way if the victims of this kind of crime ends up being the kind of people they’d be disproportionately policing and convicting anyhow
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the party of law and order.
For 99.9999 percent of them that will mean waiting on someone to do something while their sheep like nature keeps them from risking themselves.
“Butty Biden bombed Balestine by bis bown Bands, bo bi bo bot bare bif Bump becomes Bresident” - the fake leftist troll choir
Police vs brownshirts, whoever loses, we win.
If the police lose, you really lose
That’s what I said when I was watching J6 on TV. “Come on! Fight the cops you pussies!”
Trump is planning on speaking today at 11 am Eastern at Trump Tower.
Let’s hope he violates his gag order and gets to sit in jail until punishment phase.
He already has. Just had a mini-rally in New York and ranted about the judge.
Great, let the rioters expose themselves, then lock them up.
You don’t expect the cops to lock themselves up,do you?
So the people who screamed about the scary, scary BLM protesters rioting due to what they (rightly) viewed as a miscarriage of justice now think rioting should happen because of what they (wrongly) view as a miscarriage of justice.
As usual, it’s okay with they do it.
Everything. Is. A. Projection.
Literally everything. They’re afriad of Land Back because they fear the Native peoples will take the land the same way the founders of America took it. They’re afraid of equality because they think when Black people do better it must mean they themselves will be worse off because they cant imagine wealth without exploitation, the way they used to make wealth for themselves.
They took their stupid shot on Jan 6th and then they realized they were mostly larpers. Projection to the point of action.
Jan 6th protestors didn’t even come armed… lol smh
Jan 6th protestors didn’t even come armed
Actually
somemany were armed.For some, it wasn’t without trying
It was just a prank bro
Beer Hall Putsch
They took their first (arguably second after Charlottesville or the Bible photo op BS) shot on Jan 6. Don’t think there won’t be a second attempt. They view this guy as a messiah and they view themselves as religious. Him not getting what they want is a dangerous combination. He’s already shown the “greater good” has no place in his world.
REMEMBER this next time you see them calling so and so a pedophile without any proof just based on their suspicions. They’re constantly outing themselves
“Yeah but this is totes different thing!!!?!?!”
Well… that’s true. In this case, the person who got charged actually went through the court system rather than being murdered by a cop.
Which seems… fairer?
Yes. That’s literally the platform. They say whatever they have to to cover their asses because all they really care about it being able to do whatever they want while forcing everyone else to do live by their rules.
They don’t care when you point this out because that is their goal. They’re shameless about it.
Like I said, I’m surrounded by these idiots. They hate it when you suggest they aren’t real Americans.
They know in their hearts that they are Loyalists. Call them the red coats that they are.
The thing I think is the most irreconcilable, incompromisable, consistently demonstrated behavior of The Right in America is the blatant hypocrisy about nearly all of their planks. It’s the thing that, when the next civil war comes, will allow me to pull the trigger on anyone wearing a red baseball cap with little remorse.
- Everyone needs guns to defend themselves from The State, because 2A! (Except for black people defending themselves from no-knock entry cops who got the address wrong)
- The government shouldn’t be allowed to tell us how to live! (Except for LGBTQ* people, women’s choices about their own bodies, or homeless people)
- The Constitution is sacrosanct! (Except for the part about separation of church and state, we just ignore that part)
It’s the same for their every. Single. Position. It makes me weary, and furious, depressed and pessimistic.
I wish I could after on the guns things but I should not own a gun! I have a history of depression and I super don’t want to have easy access.
That said, put a gun in my hands and I’ll do my part to end fascism. I’m even a fairly decent shot for having only fired a gun 3 different times. Just please take the thing away from me when I rotate out.
Better yet, get me an fpv headset.
When I joined the militia I had promised myself to kill one Fascist – after all, if each of us killed one they would soon be extinct… -George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia
I’m not advocating anyone buy a gun, mind you. My general opinion on guns is the same about cars: the only person I truly trust to operate one is me; the rest of all y’all are just generally unreliable.
That said: get a long gun. Any non-Bulpup rifle with a 20” or longer barrel - it’s really hard to commit suicide with a long rifle. You can find a way, sure, but there are far easier, more reliable ways to off yourself than trying to figure out how to pull a trigger you can’t reach when the bangy end is pointed at your head. And the knowledge that most people who try doing this end up still alive but permanently mangled and with reduced faculties may drive you to seek those alternative methods.
Another plus for a rifle is that it’s simply a better weapon for killing fascists. We have a lot of evidence that handguns are almost never used in armed conflicts. They’re far less powerful than rifles (in general), and their effective ranges are drastically shorter. Get a cheap optic, do some practice shooting, and you’ll be better armed and prepared than any open-carry idiot running around armed only with their trusty Colt M1911 with official Trump pistol grips.
I really wish that last part was a joke.
I don’t mean to come across as minimizing mental health issues. I also can’t prevent you from trying to off yourself. All that said, I hope you are able to get help, and get healthy.
Hey thanks, this is an idea that I hadn’t thought much about and I’ll have to consider it. I also need consider storage and how to get to a range without a car but those things are workable.
As for my mental health, I’m doing well and feel in a good place all around. I got married a year and a half ago and have a stable life. I’m doing good. This will have to be a process if I’m going to buy a rifle but your arguments have opened me to the idea.
Except for black people defending themselves from no-knock entry cops who got the address wrong
Don’t forget Philando Castile, a legal gun owner who did exactly what the NRA said you should do when pulled over with a gun in the car and got shot. The NRA made barely a peep about it. Can’t imagine white.
Can’t imagine white.
Well, that’s it, right? Because not-white.
Castile wasn’t the last of it, either. Roger Fortson recently was gunned down for simply having a gun. He was not brandishing or pointing it at anyone. It was a very similar situation, just not a vehicle stop.
It won’t stop until someone makes it stop. Qualified Immunity has got to fucking go.
Qualified Immunity is illegal according to the law that Congress passed in 1871.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/us/politics/qualified-immunity-supreme-court.html
Fuck the NRA. The majority of gun owners who aren’t NRA tit suckin cop fuckers, still are pissed about that injustice, same with Breonna Taylor and Kenneth Walker. Anyone suggesting the police are there for them and want to disarm us all, these cases and a bunch more like them, are why we say fuck no.
While I personallywould prefer a constitutional amendment that overrides the 2nd, I’m not giving up my guns until the cops are no longer armed criminals, and you’re never getting my crossbows.
Any law that violates the constitution should not be obeyed. That is the duty of the U.S. citizen.
Sure, but the constitution is capable of being amended, and is long overdue for some amendments.
NAGR > NRA
It’s the thing that, when the next civil war comes, will allow me to pull the trigger on anyone wearing a red baseball cap with little remorse.
Nationals and Phillies fans seem unfairly targeted…
St. Louis Cardinals started selling blue ball caps. Not sure if it’s related to the 2016+ phenomenon, but I like to think it is.
Yeah, well, if they’re still wearing that shit during an active civil war - I mean, we’re taking about Phillies fans, so no great loss.
(Note: I lived on The Mainline for 20 years, so I think I’m allowed some ribbing. Phillies fans not only regularly trash Philadelphia in drunken riots after games, they also came to my new state and totally trashed Minneapolis while they were here. I don’t believe there’s a worse bunch of hooligans in the States.)
You’ve got to remember, they don’t view the BLM reasons as miscarriages of justice. Because they’re morons.
“But this time the guy was
whiterichRepublicaninnocent!”No, according to DJT, “very innocent”, which is as reassuring as “a little bit pregnant”.
And if they make that argument, I’ll tell them that means they believe people are “guilty until proven innocent” and don’t deserve a trial by a jury of their peers, which is as unAmerican an idea as you can get.
Not going to be useful. They don’t want a democracy, they don’t want a justice system. They want a king and the ability to use state power to shit on other people.
Trust me, I am in Indiana. I’m surrounded by these flag-waving morons. You call them unAmerican and they lose their shit. And all I have to do is pull up the Bill of Rights.
Either PBS or NPR had a thing a few years back where they’d read sections of the Bill of Right on air, as part of Independence Day celebrations.
The right wing folks who heard it thought it was communist propaganda.
Do they not still do that? I’ve had to listen to a lot less NPR since my daughter decided I’m not allowed to listen to the radio in the car.
I love getting called a liberal pussy by civilian clowns that have never served a day. Pretty sure the government trained me to kill.
I get all this talk about their rights yet they seem so fundamentally opposed to me having mine.
These people are terrible citizens.
They’re downright bad people too. They dont get to do a few good deeds while trying to use political power to do away with human life and human rights without being called the moster they are.
No argument from me. As the person above said, they don’t want a democracy or a justice system. They are as bad a citizen you can get without actively sending classified information to a rival power.
They are all members of the cult, just sadly the majority of them don’t realize they are. This is David Koresh on steroids! He has a platform previous cults did not, and has captured a political party to use for recruitment. It has become apparent that at some point the media and the country need to start treating his cult as such, and we need to figure out how to “rescue” millions of people that would do anything for their cult leader because they have broken all tethers to reality. Putting the cult leader in jail is not going to bring these people back, and is going to require mental health resources on a scale the US (and the world) has never had to deal with before. This is going to have repercussions for generations.
So predictable
Fuck around & find out, chuds.
Caught them right in the feelings. Toddler tantrums will be dealt with as such.
War of Secession II ?
Apoplectic Boogaloo
Let them riot. We need crimes to put them in jail.
