• Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    Ate out with the wife tonight, and got an unexpected political back-to-back: the restaurant had CNN playing on one end of my field of view, and Fox on the other.

    CNN reported on all kinds of shit. Every time I looked up, different topic. They went back to the upcoming debate and the Gaza genocide a couple times, but otherwise just an even spread of unfolding events.

    Fox spent most of the time talking about how left wing media will spin the debate to make Trump look like an extremist; and then a few small snips about how illegal immigrants are terrorizing our society and getting our youth hooked on fentanyl. They even managed to bitch about Hillary lol, although I missed the context… assuming they’re still rambling about emails.

    People who watch Fox must be terrified and angry like all the time lol.

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      9 days ago

      I completely missed the “with” in your first sentence and, wow, I had some thoughts and feelings which I am glad I didn’t share without re-reading what you wrote first.

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        I did the same and this comment made me look again. Was bout ready to say does this guy have a news kink? Lmfao

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        9 days ago

        Yeah, I was wondering which restaurants this guy was able to eat his wife out at. Every time I’ve tried I get the old, “Sir, this is White Castle, even we have standards.”

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          Yeah, at White Castle you have to at least use one of those tiny napkins to wipe up after.

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    8 days ago

    Dumb framing. They aren’t panicking, they’re framing the results so they can fit them to their narrative no matter what happens. Biden wins = he was on drugs, no way senile and incapable Biden could win otherwise. Biden loses = full proof he’s senile and incapable.

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    10 days ago

    It’s not like the test will be fair or legitimate anyway. Look at the whacks they currently have rubber stamping the two bastions of health and mental stability.

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      Rubber stamped? Biden gets trashed because he’s old, talks slow, has a stutter, and all they see are edited clips.

      He has way more scrutiny than an average person. It’s so bad that Republicans are accusing him of using drugs because they heard him give a speech and literally couldn’t believe he could be coherent.

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        Rubber stamped because his rich you fucking clod not to mention been in us politics for 50 years, I’m sure he knows perhaps a Dr. Or has a connection who owes him a favor. He could shove an ice cream cone up your ass and his “expert” would declare it warm. You would probably agree.

    • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)@badatbeing.social
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      Adderall, if you don’t have ADHD, will act as a stimulant but does nothing to make you smarter or more coherent. It also does nothing for dementia that the Trump team wants everyone to believe Joe has, somehow without symptoms. Trump on the other hand has MANY symptoms of dementia, and appears to be declining quickly.

      Pretending that a drug even exists that somehow Biden could take that would make him alert and dementia free for a debate (or State of the Union) just helps muddy the water around Trump’s decline.

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        They both have dementia.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MVZdS18NX8

        The constant stream of occasions of Biden becoming incoherent, forgetting social norms and protocol and sometimes just standing there blitzed out of his mind are clear signs of dementia. They are both demented old men and watching people argue about how their demented old men is less demented is hilarious on the one said and deeply sad and worrying on the other side.

        Also Adderall, which is amphetamine aka speed also acts as a stimulant for people with ADHD. It is just at a smaller dosage that makes the stimulation help focus. Like you said stimulants cannot help against dementia. Regular stimulant use is more likely to worsen it, as it is neurotoxic.

        • ddh@lemmy.sdf.org
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          My life is a constant stream of becoming incoherent, forgetting social norms and standing there dumbfounded and very few people say I’m demented. I also don’t engage the public for work, nor do I have a camera trained on me all day with an army of detractors at the ready.

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            Are you a career politician? Do you have 40 years of experience on how exactly not to do this? Does your work require a particular emphasis on knowing how to behave with a camera on you half of the day?

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        9 days ago

        It would be a good thing to test Trump on drugs. His team has all the incentive to make him not sound the babbling idiot that he is.

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    I say, test both of them!

    They should both be tested for drugs often, the working class is forced to undergo drug testing, why not the owner class as well, they are ‘civil servants’; by multiple people and organizations, that would be fun to see differences in reports and writeups, even more if data is shown on what chemicals are in their system.

    The claims arrive as Trump himself changes his tune on how well Biden may perform at the CNN debate. Having previously called Biden the “worst debater I have ever faced,” Trump recently told the All-In Podcast that the president will be a “worthy debater” and that he does not want to “underestimate” Biden on Thursday.

    “If President Biden needs to take performance enhancing drugs in order to participate in this week’s debate, then it is imperative that he and his physician disclose that to the American people,” Jackson said. “CNN’s people leaked debate questions to Hillary Clinton in 2016,” Grenell posted on X. Grenell was making reference to previous reports on how former chair of the Democratic National Committee Donna Brazile gave notice to Clinton’s team about a debate question ahead of her 2016 debate with Trump.

    “CNN’s people leaked debate questions to Hillary Clinton in 2016,” Grenell posted on X. Grenell was making reference to previous reports on how former chair of the Democratic National Committee Donna Brazile gave notice to Clinton’s team about a debate question ahead of her 2016 debate with Trump.

    Responding to the incident, Leavitt told Newsweek: "CNN cutting off my microphone for bringing up a debate moderator’s history of anti-Trump lies just proves our point that President Trump will not be treated fairly in Thursday’s debate.

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    10 days ago

    I really want to know the specific “performance enhancing drugs” these people think Biden is using. No hand-waving. Be explicit and tell everyone what magical drugs these are and then let’s test them both for these drugs.

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      9 days ago

      Said it above, but it’s more likely they’re taking “wakefulness promoting agents” like modafinil or armodafinil. In which case, I don’t really take any issue with as they’re pretty amazing drugs with very few side effects and little to no potential to be habit forming.

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      9 days ago

      They can’t, because no drug is available that both pumps you up, and helps the symptoms of dementia for a short burst of time. It’s all an effort to muddy the water about Trump’s clear cognitive decline that appears to be accelerating. If elected for another term, he may well be like Regan, with an even more evil “Nancy” in his ear “guiding” him everyday (and to essential be running the country while keeping Trump’s decline on the DL).

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        Yes, I got that. That’s why I called them “magical”. I’m pretty sure everyone knows they don’t exist. That’s the point.

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          I’m agreeing with you, and just try to explain the “why” part, as some people just hear “performance enhancing drug(s)” and don’t stop to think what that even means for man in his 80’s.

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          What are you trying to point out here? That we have dementia medication that helps keep patients awake?

          If so, that is missing the point of the fact that being awake does not mean “alert” or “amped up” which is what the GOP keeps claiming. They are also stressing that Biden can actually speak in full sentences and convey ideas. He may stumble from time to time, but he is in his 80’s and has struggled with a stutter his whole life. He will also catch and correct himself.

          Trump has the “amped up” part covered with his uppers, but he can’t put together a logical sentence, let alone an idea or “paint a picture” of his plan for anything. He increasingly has ticks and brain skips where he gets stuck and has to just bail.

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            They can’t, because no drug is available that both pumps you up, and helps the symptoms of dementia for a short burst of time.

            This is what you said. You were wrong. To be clear, this isn’t a “hurr durr Biden has dementia” comment. I think they’re both likely taking it or something like it. And, again, I am not making a judgement about it, I think that the President of the United States should be able to use every medical tool available to them if it helps them perform their duties (traditional amphetamines absolutely would not do this).

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              That drug is not being used in the context of the GOP allegations with 100% certainty. Dementia treatment drugs, including that one you linked, are not just pop them before the debate and your “symptom free” and/or all of a sudden a word smith. We don’t have drugs that bring people back to the degree the GOP is claiming Biden is, and trying to both sides this just gives validation to these wild conspiracy theories.

              Biden is old, and that is what people are seeing and trying to both sides. There are times when an 81 year old man is going to be unsure what to do, but it’s because they are old and the world has changed a lot in 80+ years. But we also have Fox and others editing videos, like cropping Biden interacting with a paratrooper so they are out of the frame and he looks like he is facing the wrong way and lost. This is part of their “flood the zone with shit” plan that makes it so we are even discussing this like it’s a both sides issue instead of just Trump being a few years away from being another Regan.

              Edit - autocorrect hates me. 😩

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                Modafinil, and other drugs in its class, aren’t “dementia treatment drugs.” That’s what the study was attempting to establish, and there seem to be promising results. But for now they’re still just “wakefulness promoting agents” (or according to wiki, the class is now called: “eugeroic”) that are used for narcolepsy and shift sleep disorder. Also maybe off-label for “excessive daytime sleepiness” due to… Whatever can make people excessively sleepy I guess.

                They are given to fighter jet pilots who need to stay awake for very long missions (source: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240314-the-drug-pilots-take-to-stay-awake)

                I won’t speculate too much on Trump’s mental health situation, dude probably has tertiary syphilis at this point. He is clearly sundowning and showing the hallmarks of actual dementia (e.g. the stench, etc.). Huh, guess I speculated a bit after all.

                Biden, on the other hand, is just old and facing the normal level of cognitive decline that anyone at his age with such a stressful job would face. Not to mention that he’s openly struggled with a speech impairment all his life, which can certainly make him appear more deficient than he actually is. I think his decline has been greatly exaggerated and meme-ified by the left and the right, and is really no comparison to the actual legitimate mental health clusterfuck that is Donald Trump’s brain.

                In Biden’s case, modafinil (or probably armodafinil or some new shit that’s better) could for sure appear to do exactly as you say. That is, make him more coherent, alert, with increased memory and general cognitive abilities. In about 30 minutes. And it would last prob 8-10 hours or so.

                These drugs really are fascinating, you should do some more research before assuming they’re like any amphetamine, coming with all of that baggage. But there is a reason they are specifically not called “stimulants.”

                I understand the urge to make comparisons to what you already know, but this class of drugs really is very uniquely different and have nearly zero recreational value.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugeroic

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            Trump has the “amped up” part covered with his uppers, but he can’t put together a logical sentence, let alone an idea or “paint a picture” of his plan for anything.

            What do you mean? His recent stuff about sharks and batteries was amazing :)

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        with an even more evil “Nancy” in his ear “guiding” him everyday (and to essential be running the country while keeping Trump’s decline on the DL).

        That sound you just heard was Stephen Miller getting a boner thinking about putting all non-whites into camps.

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    10 days ago

    They should only get to wear underpants - tidy whiteys! Nothing bulky or absorbent!

    Trump should have to wear an orange jumpsuit with a serial number on the left breast and “INMATE” stamped clearly on the back.

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    They need to give both as many and as much drugs as they want. If drugs will somehow make them coherent, make it a requirement. I honestly don’t see a downside. They can even advertise for the drugs and everyone still wins

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    On one hand I’m glad the media is reporting on this. On the other hand they seem to be signal boosting a lot of the messaging from the right

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    If Trump is going to challenge Biden to a mental coherency test, why doesn’t Biden challenge Trump to a bicycle race or a 2k run? After all, Trump has declared himself the healthiest President in history. (But a race like that would have good possibility of causing Trump a heart attack… which would of course be an unfortunate outcome).

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      Yes very unfortunate. Certainly nothing to wish, pray, or perform dark rituals for. Certainly not.

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    Ive heard IRL people say its rigged because apparently mics will be turned off of it isn’t their turn? Idk if thats true but I’m fully behind the idea personally lol.

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      The interruptions, while “entertaining”, should not exist in a debate so consequential. I feel like high school debate clubs have more decorum than any presidential debate in the last 16 years. Mic cuts are absolutely needed.

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        Idk. I was in a highschool debate club a bit over a decade ago, and I was very good at the public forum event. Like, regularly in the top 32 for both the NFL and CFL national tournaments good. There were other people at the top of that ladder with me that made very effective use of the “pound the table” strategy, and how well it worked often boiled down to judge variance. People act that way in debates because it absolutely works on some viewers

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          I was just making a joke to highlight the bullshit presidential debates have become, but I get what you mean. Shouting IS effective.

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      That is true and a common rule to prevent someone from just talking over everyone else. It doesn’t mean they’ll just get cut, at least not at this level. They’ll finish their piece and then the mic is turned off while the other person is responding.

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    texas rep. Ronny Jackson is among those who have demanded that Biden take part in a drug test before and after Thursday’s debate. Jackson, who served as Trump’s White House physician and medical adviser… [said] “If President Biden needs to take performance enhancing drugs in order to participate in this week’s debate, then it is imperative that he and his physician disclose that to the American people,” Jackson said.

    In that case, anything that you wanted to disclose to the American people there, Ronny? It’s always just breathless, impotent projection…

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      Does anybody else find it a little sad that Ronny Jackson simps for Trump when Trump can’t even remember his name when talking about him? Or did he just change his name to Ronny Johnson so that the god-king doesn’t have to be wrong?

      I mean, I would find it sad if I weren’t completely out of sympathy for these Trump sycophants who let Trump talk shit about them publicly so that they can cling to power a little longer. Especially the shitheels who criticized Trump and now find themselves kissing the ring and bending the knee to get that VP nom.

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        Find it all sad, would be more sympathetic though if they weren’t literally fascist psychopaths that want to burn down the world so that nobody can directly focus on the fact that they are bald, broke, gay and their father never told them, “I love you”.

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      projection…

      Hmm, so Trump needs before and after debate drugs? Of course amphetamines would be the classical far right choice, but then there’s the whole opioid crisis thing going on… choices, choices…