Outsiders also need to understand that tactical party registrations are relatively common in certain election districts in order to access a particular party primary ballot.
You really can’t read a whole lot into party registration information. It frequently doesn’t reflect voters’ real politics at all.
He was also wearing a shirt from a right-wing, gun nut YouTuber.
Which holds a LOT more water, in my opinion. Registering for the opposite party, for primary spoiling, is free. Schwag from online personalities like YouTube “stars” and Twitch streamers tend to be overpriced.
The shirt may have been to blend in at the rally.
You have to stop thinking rationally and start assuming that Trump and his supporters are incredibly narcissistic. For him, this wasn’t an occasion where he almost got killed, but it was an occasion to show how amazing he is. The same is true for his supporters. The fact that he survived means he’s an even better candidate than he was before. Never mind the lack of gun control. Never mind that the attacker was a registered Republican. Narcissists are telling a story about how they want to see the world, not how it actually is.
So one of the questions is what voter turnout is going to be. In other words, how much this event boost Republican turnout at the polls? Clearly it’s not going to reduce turnout, because it’s too dramatic and it makes people pay attention to the fact that there’s an election coming up.
Of course we don’t know what will happen. It’s natural to expect that Trump’s pulling numbers will go up, but it’s also natural to think that it will only be a temporary increase. So the question is how much and for how long.
If he sat down and got his ear pierced, it’d look exactly the same. For all I know it was marketing theatrics to garner support. Wouldn’t be the craziest conspiracy theory of the year either.
There’s only two explanations
Revelations 13:3 Trump staged it for the sympathy vote (Weird how no one behind Trump got hit even though the gunman missed with 10 shots)
It was staged.
Not nearly enough evidence for that
That is to say…none.
In fact, the evidence we have is exactly the opposite:
- firefighter killed - conservatives love emergency service workers
- gunman shot by secret service - i.e. the people who defend Trump; why murder your accomplice? Much easier for him to conveniently “slip away”
- gunman was a registered Republican, if it was staged, why not have the gunman be a crazed lefty?
So there’s negative evidence of that, only wishful thinking.
The attacker was a kid, I wouldn’t read too much into political affiliation. It’s pretty sad but sounds like your typical loner shooter scenario, but instead of targeting his school he shot the president.
However,many propagandists will try to connect some dots to rile up their base and Garner support, which is what the media is for.
All in all, totally insane and not ok. Even if I detest trump.
Trup is not the president though. Hes ex president
Doesn’t make shooting at him any more righteous.
Not talking about that, just that i see him being referenced as “president” trump alot more than i was expecting both in comments and in the media. And he is not the current president.
Autocorrect fail
Traditionally, ex US presidents are often referred to as “President <LastName>”. It’s not an official title, but informal use is widespread.
Oh i see, thats across the pond confusion then thanks for clearing that up 👍
Yup. The title is for life. We also refer to dead presidents with the title as well, such as President Washington or President Lincoln. It’s out of respect for the office. To disambiguate, we use “former,” so “former President Trump” is the correct term to use in an election season.
I guess it would be like referring to dead royalty by their highest title held, like Queen Elizabeth II, King Henry VIII, etc.
He’s basically the president. Dems are broadly conceding and only campaigning to the people who are already going to vote for them (“but… Vote harder!”), and no matter what the actual electoral results the SC etc will give the office to the Orange bastard.
Nice summary. Yes, turnout. It will probably increase for Republicans. But since everybody can guess that, it will just as likely increase Democrats turnout. We should expect many effects to affect both sides, like Democrats voters now also have a higher attention that there is an election coming up. I think the effect on swing voters, if there are any left, is marginal.
Why is everyone so weird and extreme?! I just wanna dance and eat the good drugs and touch pretty girls yo.
Dancing is gay.
Drug use makes you a far-left psycho Communist who hates America
Touching pretty girls means you have cooties.
Kk, them I’m gay cootie communist.
Gay cootie commie gang gang
How do you feel about robots and space?
I loooove space!
I’m willing to undergo all three of those sacrifices.
Consensually, I hope.
it’s less fun if they’re not into it
It’s like zero fun.
Those good drugs deserved it for acting like little sluts
Yeah, I can be as visually impressive as I want but still be hanging around like Tantalus in a world where it seems like every girl just wants money for sex. I don’t cross any lines. I just want.
He wasn’t actually a conservative. He was “party raiding”. You can see that because we know he donated money to progressive Democrats.
Where can you see his donations?
News articles have been reporting it.
It was a different person with the same name. The kids own classmates said he was heavily
fascistconservative.That’s information that wasn’t out there 17 hours ago. Which is why we don’t rush to things like this. How many times do we have to do this before people stop trying to play teams in the aftermath of shooters?
We don’t know that. There seems to be the possibility that there was another person with the same name that did the donation, so at the least it isn’t confirmed yet.
My theory is, that someone framed him (or he is just stupid, how the hell should I know).
But you run with this breathlessly?
It’s the Emporer Palpatine gambit.
Such an unnecessary scene. The scaring and decrepitness of Palpatine didn’t need explanation. Just say that using the dark side of the force is corrosive, and slowly kills the body.
The same with Vader. It shouldn’t have been due to burns and lightsaber injuries, it should have been due to that same corrosiveness.
No, I disagree. The sith are inherently toxic and self destructive. If they were to only depict the dark side as being a corrosive energy force then it would marginalize the self destructive behavior. Remember the sith were in charge but ultimately destroyed themselves through toxic behavior.
What could be more self destructive than literally ripping the life out of your own body to fuel your power?
Choking your girl
Like trump being convicted of felonies and all his buddies serving time in federal prison
As far as i am aware, outside of a handful of jedi and some of his inner council, nobody knows palpatine is a force user, let alone a sith
It doesn’t matter. He was a Sith and a force user, and after the Jedi were purged, he didn’t have to hide it anymore. He would, at least from the general public, but he was served by Vader, who was openly a Sith. Well, not openly Sith, Vader likely never used the word Sith, but he would use the force to choke a bitch.
But prequels are often hamfisted in their treatment of character growth over a time skip. As in, they can’t have any growth or change at all from the end of the prequel to the start of the first movie, even if there’s 20+ years in between the two.
Such an unnecessary scene
Man this applies to like half the scenes in that movie. George wanted every single piece in the exact place they were at the start of ANH, despite the 20-year gap.
That’s the problem with prequels. They have to set things up, but cannot have any change or character growth, because then they’d fail at being a prequel.
So you have pointless, this is how the thing happened scenes, when no one asked for them.
Okay. rarely you’ll get a prequel that’s good, but those are story driven and often have no effect either way on the later stories except to add a layer of depth.
The Star Wars Prequels, every single one of them, were not that. There was no coherent story in any of them. Just a bunch of “look at the thing” scenes.
I’m thoroughly in the “there are good ideas here, but they were let down by the poor writing and direction” camp with the Star Wars prequels. Telling a story about an idealistic young space wizard turning into an SS officer while the Republic he serves turns into a dictatorship could have been great.
I think Filoni’s The Clone Wars does explore a lot more of those themes, and offers a more compelling, gradual fall for an Anakin who struggles to control his emotions. Unfortunately, it also has entire episodes centered around Jar-Jar Binks, so it can be hard to get into.
It also gives us Darth Maul and Mandalore
Reichstag fire.
If this is actually true, the only possible explanation has to be that the average potential voter in the United States seems to find that an entire apparatus of government nerds running the government is BO-rinnnggg! Yawn.
It can only be because they demand their reality television drama everywhere, with its’ gaudy characters and situations. They want to be mesmerized or they won’t lift their lazy asses from the screen, with their car chases, and explosions.
Initially we didn’t know that the shooter was Republican.
More over though I see a lot of people discussing stats for voters based off of 2020 but I really don’t think that’s a good year to base it on given that the covid lockdowns were taking place. A lot of people had nothing better to do and actually paid attention to politics. A lot of people were miserable, partly because of Trump’s awful handling of covid but also just the fact that we were going to be miserable anyways.
All we really know at the end of the day is that Trump feeds off a lot of occurrences like this and it’s worrisome. Many people are more anxious for their futures than ever before right now.
Yea… yea.
The media is owned by Trump supporters.
*Some media. You have to understand, that media is just political propaganda (from one or the other side). Why else would anyone even fund them (they are sponsored by ads and promoted content)?
No it’s literally all of them in the US at least.
Why else would anyone even fund them (they are sponsored by ads and promoted content)?
Apparently you’ve never heard of marketing and don’t understand it’s value.
There are always people saying that anything that happens means Trump will win the election. This happened in 2020, too. The fact is, they don’t know whether or not it will help. They’re either trying to demoralize potential Biden voters or they’re just doomsayers.
Or mobilize
It’s not a great way to do it, in that case. Reminding everyone that there’s always a very clear and present danger that he may be elected is fine, but saying, “Oh, Trump’s DEFINITELY gonna win now because of [thing that just happened]” is unhelpful.
In this case however there’s historical precedent. Reagan was almost assassinated and as a result gained a tremendous amount of support and goodwill. Granted a bit of ketchup on the ear is a far cry from an actual injury, but the Toupee was out of the news for almost a whole week, so something drastic had to be done to get the spotlight back on the Republicans.
He was out of the news for a week when the Epstein files were released with his name all over them. The US News is owned by the same oligarchs funding his campaign and hedging their bets on him deregulating their industries.
hmm. maybe they are trying to mobilize Biden voters with fear
You don’t understand how surviving assassination attempts energizes your voter base? I feel like there’s a lot of history here you could pull from.
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Can you name a single elected European leader that people tried to assassinate?
Hitler.
He was not elected head of state.
I must have missed the ‘elected’ first time I read it, lol
Homie really forgot about Hitler . . .
Homie knows his history, actually.
Homie doesn’t get that the distinction is meaningless, especially when most European countries don’t elect their heads of government to begin with, and America’s elections are pretty much built to favor the right, because they’re never popular enough to win the popular vote
My point here is that the USA is basically a warlord state dressed up in “first-world” clothes. You all seem to take assassinations in stride while being blissfully unaware of how anomalous this is compared to other countries.
How many burgers after yours?
It feels like the only parallel left is that soon we’re going to find out Trump University was created because no other school would let him into their art program
Forget about Mussolini too or . . . ?
He was elected but then abolished elections, so I’m not sure that really counts — the only way to “vote him out” was to kill him. You’re technically right, though.
And of course miss Maggy Thatcher, longest serving in her position too.
Totally forgot about that one, great counterexample!
Geez, why do the worst people survive assassination
Olof Palme, tried and succeeded… This has JFK-level conspiracy theories flourishing in Sweden
Jo Cox? Unless by “leader”, you specifically mean “head of state”.
Pim Fortuyn ( not an elected leader at that point, but his party won the election in a landslide afterward) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn
If it’s a “voter base”, wouldn’t they already have voted for him?
Not all the voter base show up to every election, and in US politics traditionally the more people who vote the better Democrats do. Now they have to also overcome a more energized Trump base which means less people on the right suffering from election fatigue from our years long election cycles. A nice big boos of martyrdom with a few months left can go a long way.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1354571X.2021.1950340
ABSTRACT
Between 4 November 1925 and 31 October 1926, Tito Zaniboni, Violet Gibson, Gino Lucetti, and Anteo Zamboni all tried and failed to kill Benito Mussolini. The significance of these attempts on Mussolini’s life and their relationship to the establishment of Fascism has gone overlooked as much scholarship focuses almost exclusively on the consequences of socialist deputy Giacomo Matteotti’s murder in June 1924. In this article, I analyse the impact that these assassination attempts had on Mussolini’s construction of the Fascist state. The article asks two main questions: What role did these assassins, and the state of emergency that their acts generated, play in the establishment of Fascist control? And how did they contribute to Mussolini’s cult status and his consecration as a ‘man of providence’? I argue that the failed assassination attempts were instrumental in allowing the Fascist regime to create a state of emergency and to capitalize on a fabricated demand for crisis management. These attempts fundamentally structured the conditions for the regime’s consolidation of power, including a vast expansion of laws that dismantled the liberal state and established the Fascist dictatorship.
Europeans need to understand that winning elections in the US really just means convincing 10,000-20,000 people in about 5 states who to vote for a couple days before the election.
If this news plants a small seed of sympathy for Trump in the minds of those undecided voters it will swing the election.
Our democracy is really pretty terribly implemented.
Yes OK but the part we don’t understand is how getting shot at is raising sympathy levels. The natural reaction would be even less get the person involved in politics because he attracts or directly causes extremism, chaos, and violence.
You want a steady hand, not a drama queen as your leader, no?
These are people who are making a decision about something very important with less than 72 hours to go. Do not assume they are acting rationally.
You really can’t understand how people are “being killed for being right”? Like if someone said the monarchy in Europe is bad and kings shouldn’t exist, and then the king does have them killed, that wouldn’t raise sympathy for the cause of the guy being killed, that kings shouldn’t exist?
This is exactly how resistance spreads. People got killed for their beliefs. Other people saw that and thought “if they’re getting killed they are a threat to those in power, and thus likely right”. You don’t think “oh well this guy got killed for his beliefs, that must mean that his opinions are wrong”
Obviously this is not what’s really happening with Trump, but it’s going to be spun like that by his propaganda team, and people are going to believe it.
Ranked. Choice. Voting.
We needs it.
Vote of no confidence. If both fish suck throw em back and find some new ones.
Literally does nothing in the US system and is the fastest way for the fascist party to complete their takeover.
Anyone advocating for this I’m assuming is either a troll or a paid shill.
Agree to disagree. Even a two party system could see improvement when there is a possibility of failure behind falling in line with ‘least bad choice.’
It’s not a silver bullet - to be sure. but we’re talking about a patient on life support with multiple systems failing. There is no simple fix. We need to deal with each rot and disease locally as aggressively as possible… and be willing to excise anything that is a lost cause. This is triage.
Not once has it worked in modern history.
Care to cite some sources?
To my eye the easiest way to exploit a two party system is to provide both candidates. The act of tossing them aside can give teeth to the vote and demand better quality. I fail to see any obvious drawbacks to this.
If implemented correctly it would not impact good elections and would drastically affect bad ones. Is that not ideal?
Modern history being anything that has happened in the lives of even the oldest person alive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/
Where are the third party presidents?
That hasn’t worked with the First Past the Post voting system.
The ability of the populous to reject what is offered is necessary to maintain a balanced system. I’m not exactly certain what you are expressing there but I stand by this belief.
Everyone needs to hear this. But most people don’t even know about it.
Didn’t Canadians explicitly reject it?
As much as I think a ranked choice system would be an improvement, I don’t think it solves the underlying problems of Capital’s dominance of all of society’s decision-making institutions and it’s really just something for politics nerds to fixate on that regular people don’t understand or care about.
Got my primary pamphlet recently, I was so disappointed to see the non-partisan rcv supportive candidate wasn’t running this year. They nearly won last election, too 😭
And democrats keep killing grass roots implementation of state wide implementation
There’s tons of things we could do to improve it. But it will take a huge amount of political will that Americans just don’t have.
Yeah. My option is a baindaid but helps clear the murkiness out a bit. Gotta start somewhere as it’ll take a decade or so to get us back to being anything resembling a great nation. Right now we are a fear mongering hegemony war profiteering oligarchy.
Or if.more media attention and coverage of trump pushes a few people to vote rather than stay home he loses.
These people never really think about politics and vote because it’s good.
Yeah. I’m really jealous of them. I can’t imagine how nice it must be not to care about this shit.
It’s not really a democracy. Public opinion has absolutely no impact on whether something is made law or changed. The overwhelming majority of Americans support legalizing weed and medicare for all but neither goes anywhere.
The US is an oligarchy that pretends to be a democracy to get people fighting culture wars instead of class wars.
Duopoly. Where both big businesses collude to maintain the market shares between them. DNC & RNC.
It absolutely is a democracy, just an extremely flawed democracy. If democracy were a scale from direct democracy to North Korea, then the USA would sit somewhere in the top third of countries.
Excuse me, that’s a representative oligarchy
if its not from the bribery region of france then its just sparkling corruption
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Right, it’s a Republic with piss poor representation by rich white guys who answer to the billionaire class.
The overwhelming majority of Americans support legalizing weed and medicare for all but neither goes anywhere.
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Legalizing weed has made massive strides in the past decade, after some 50 years of drug war.
“A majority of Americans continue to say the federal government has a responsibility to make sure all Americans have health care coverage.”
Your own source says so
But let’s add more:
https://www.citizen.org/article/public-support-for-medicare-for-all/
Recent polls indicate that six in ten Americans support Medicare-for-All. In addition, more than 60 percent believe that government is responsible for ensuring health coverage for all Americans. And nearly 70 percent of all voters, including battleground voters, identify health care as an important issue in upcoming elections.
I think they were responding to the “neither goes anywhere” part, not the support part
Federally, neither has gone anywhere though.
The only reason the first one is true because it’s something the states can actually do. Not sure if any states have been trying to make a healthcare plan but I imagine that’s a lot harder to do then just saying weed is legal now. Basically right now stuff only gets done at a state level in America anymore with how divided and unproductive Congress is.
Massachusetts has had a very effective single payer healthcare system for decades.
MA is basically the equivalent of a northern European country hiding in the US. Honestly, it’d pretty much be an oasis, save for the fact nobody can actually afford to live there.
Hawaii has actually succeeded on both fronts. Also, almost no guns.
Good on Hawaii! Not sarcastic or bitter, legit, good for them. The rest of the states would do well to follow Hawaii’s example.
Unfortunately, I suspect that’s not going to be overnight.
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Never seen truer words on the internet.
Terribly implemented, terribly run, terribly staffed, terrible users…
USA! USA! USA! 🦅🍔🇺🇸
Oh here we go…
FUUHCKKK YEAH!!!
[shoots up at the sky repeatedly with tactical bear arms]
“Bleach blonde, bad built butch body” I think sums up my country as well as any description.
It’s your basic herd mentality. A lot of Republicans were actually starting to turn away from Trump, but now that someone’s attempted to assassinate him in their minds it means he was somehow “right” all along. Keep watching, regardless of who the shooter was or what his motivations may turn out to have been, the hard right will continue to frame it as a “liberal conspiracy” and use this as some kind of warped twisted justification to make Trump into a new dictator for life.
There’s no logical reason for it. Trying to find one will just make your head hurt. The only real reason is that someone tried to hurt “their team” and now they will unite to own the libs even if it destroys the whole country
It will also give trump license to have private security decked out in combat gear at his side 24x7. It obviously gives off wannabe dictator vibes, but now it’s “justified”.
That is assuming he will ever make another public appearance after this… I’d say there’s a good chance the rest of his appearances are via heavily scripted professionally edited videos
Trump’s opposition pretty much is capitulating and suspending their campaign in the name of supporting ‘Unity’ …which means not fighting Trump. Or Biden, for that matter.
