Lots of straw man wrestlers in this thread. 🥹
Now, I don’t like violence. But even I can see that there’s a difference between violence waged for imperialism and violence waged against imperialism.
And you can see the difference too. That’s why Obama and Biden always say that their wars are being waged “for freedom”. That’s why you accept the violence of historical revolutions like the American Revolution.
The problem is, Obama and Biden are lying when they say their wars are for freedom. Their wars are for profit and control.
I was in discussion (if you can even call it that) with someone and when he spoke about “Occupied Korea” i knew there was no point what so ever to continue.
There’s no laddar long enough in the world to climb out of that hole.
I had one of these fucks try to tell me that North Korea is very democratic.
heck you don’t even have to go that far. the second picture can be pretty much every republican president whos held office. When was the last ware we started happen while a dem president was in office?
Israel’s invasion of Gaza could be considered a proxy war
Source?
What do you mean “Source?” Are you asking for a source that Israel invaded Gaza? A source that the US funded it? A source that it escalated during Biden’s presidency?
Are you implying that on a quiet morning somewhere around last October, Biden gave Bibi a call and ordered him to escalate?
They’re “stinkyonions”.
They’re asking for sauce.
I don’t see how. you would need to consider any military action by any ally then as a proxy war for any nation. So it would be a proxy ware for most of europe to and asia and a good part of both africa and the americas.
Howdy, Stretch!
It isn’t as much of a stretch as that created by Israel sticking their hands far up U.S. govt’s ass.
Wait, so the US is the puppet? Is the US fighting Israel’s proxy war? Do you people even know what you’re saying when you say stuff like this?
Of course not! US bad it’s as simple as that.
It is a stretch, but it’s also a proxy war funded by the US that escalated several fold under Biden
You’re gonna pop a shoulder soon!
A proxy war implies they’re using another nation to fight an enemy. Which enemy are they fighting? Palestine is not an enemy or threat to the US.
You could consider Ukraine as potentially a proxy war, but you’d have to be pretty stupid or pretty mislead to think Gaza is.
Also Ukraine
Operation Prosperity Guardian, started by Joe. That took me about 10 seconds.
More like a defense of merchant ships attacked by houthis.
I wouldn’t call that a “war started by Joe Biden”.
Well Wikipedia considers it a war, I bet the poor mother fuckers that died think so too, but that list has 7 other conflicts that Obama started, weirdly there isn’t a single one by the ultimate mega hitler everyone is talking about.
Oh well if Wikipedia says it is then I guess we have no choice. Who invented the toaster again?
ultimate mega hitler
If Trump wins and he starts marching the Latino and queer people into camps like in the threats his people are making, I want you to remember that you said this.
Absolute lunacy. You really believe this?
Do I really believe that they’ll do what they’re threatening to do when they get into power if they get into power?
Yes, I do. Why shouldn’t I? Why would I even want that risk?
There’s already an ongoing transgender genocide in the U.S. caused in great part by Republicans. Why would I want to make that worse?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_genocide#United_States
Show me where anyone is threatening internment camps for gay people.
The Latino thing is going to be the exact same thing that all 4 of the last sitting presidents did, but you’re going to act like it’s worse when someone red is in charge.
I have little hope you’ll grab the concept, but
Did that ‘war’ start with the Houthis firing missiles, or them being fired upon?
Megahitler closed a “don’t shoot while I’m running away” deal with the Taliban that Biden had to mop up, now you can hate on Sleepy Joe as much as you want, but that is Drumpf’s doing.
Another day, another comment I’ll block for stupidity.
The 10 people who died in the defense of merchant ship from houthis is totally comparable to the tens of thousands of homeless people, protestors, victims of police violence, inability to pay for medical care, resulting from Trump era policies, not to mention what banning abortion will do.
I’m not trying to defend Trump, I’m just saying that the proposition that all Democrats are bloodless pacifists is completely removed from reality.
Ansar Allah could just take Iran’s fist out of their ass. But they seem to love being front line puppets.
The US hasn’t declared war since WW2. Wikipedia will tell you that, too.
You don’t have to declare war for it to be a war. The US has carried out plenty of wars since WW2.
Sorry for your loss.
What
So the war on Ukraine isn’t a war because Putin didn’t declare it? You guys are delusional.
Megahitler is currently focused on the enemy within, after that is exhausted they will need to start on the enemy without.
Go make another account, this one is getting blocked en masse.
Good, I’d rather not talk to people who settle their differences of opinion by stamping their feet and plugging their ears.
There are far too many of these people on Lemmy~ Earth.
It’s why I went back to reddit. I check in here occasionally to check. I can handle the reddit hive if I limit where and how I participate. But the hardcore political ideologies sprinkled everywhere in lemmy ruin even a limited browsing experience for me.
These “tankies” are conservative right-wing shitbag trolls trying to convince the normal people that supporting oppression and dictators is somehow “left-wing”. Do not fall for their conservative bullshit.
Just like any other conservative, every word they utter is deception or manipulation. They are conservative trolls through and through.
I’d upvote the meme if it wasn’t also controversial to criticize all war criminals, including both those at the top and the bottom.
Edit: For a source, see people in this thread rushing to argue and feel called out when someone criticizes “all forms of imperialism”, including the Western ones.
Only on the far left and far right is “liberal” seen as an insult.
Too many
The folks on the top bombed the middle east, and killed a lot of people.
As someone who lives there, the choice is an easy one.
And if you lived in Tibet, Taiwan, Korea, etc, you’d probably not be super into the folks on the bottom.
Istanbul wasn’t “bombed” since Mehmet the 2nd and turkey is doing the same with the Kurds right now. So…
Edit: Holy shit. Going through your history made me want to take a shower.
whatever makes you feel better after supporting mass murder.
Solidarity forever
That’s only because you know nothing about the history of the others, and they gave even less of a shit back then.
Do you really have to pick one side out of these two?
Ah! And the folks on bottom?
Who said anything about a choice?
And the Soviets invaded Afghanistan with flowers and love, right??
Soviet Union fell decades ago. Israel is comitting mass murder with America’s blessing right now.
And Russia invaded Ukraine with flowers and love, right?
Far as I know Putin didn’t invade Ukraine because of the Soviet Union, is mostly because he’s a little shit.
No no you’re right, America bad, Russia China good!
The Soviets invaded Afghanistan, a bordering country, after the USA had armed radical theocratic militias with modern weapons. And whatever they did in Afghanistan pales in comparison with US actions in non-neighboring Vietnam. If you want to see the true impact of the USSR in central-asian countries vs that of the west, why don’t you compare the Human Development Index of Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan (ex-Soviet republics) to that of Pakistan (ex-English colony).
It’s not a “whose worse” competition, but you tankies can’t seem to accept that countries other than the us also do and did bad shit. It’s all whataboutism with you.
Nobody in this thread is denying what the us has done, nor celebrating it. But keep on telling us what a nice guy Stalin was!
but you tankies
There we go, the generic word to refer to everyone who doesn’t uncritically peddle anti-communist discourse.
you tankies can’t seem to accept that countries other than the us also do and did bad shit.
But keep on telling us what a nice guy Stalin was!
I’m not a Stalinist. The great terror was terrible, unjustified, and overall a disaster. The collectivisation policy led to chaos and hunger. The democratic functioning of Soviets was seriously undermined. It’s just, as much as you probably don’t consider that the whole existence of the UK as a country is illegitimate as a consequence of its colonialist history, I don’t consider that the USSR as a whole should have been dismantled, and I consider that its overall impact on the world was positive, especially comparing it to what was before and to what came after.
i mean afghani society was better off before the us swooped in to destroy it after the soviet era
can’t have all that progress around that much oil
i mean afghani society was better off before the us swooped in to destroy it after the soviet era
can’t have all that progress around that much oil
The US swooped in to destroy Afghanistan after the Soviet era.
Afghanistan having strategic value because of oil.
Jesus Christ.
And people wonder why I don’t treat tankie history takes seriously.
oh yeah the us destroyed the middle east and former socialist countries for democracy, my bad.
So you’re doubling down on oil in Afghanistan?
Well, how else could the Taliban have made so much societal progress?
reread the post you are responding to
No, no, please, downvoters, inform me as to the history of Afghanistan’s booming oil industry.
No one said it was due to a booming oil industry, but it was because of oil, I’m not sure how you’re not aware of this.
Reporting at the time: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/23/afghanistan.terrorism11
The article doesn’t really dismiss the argument even if the initial paragraphs make it seem like it, it just concludes that it seems unlikely to reach a point where the US could leverage the influence on a future local government, which is true but does not exclude/invalidate the previous proposition
How very republican of you.
I’m not am American. How can I be a Republican?
By only caring of things when they affect you.
I could say the same about you. Do you care about the mass murders Obama and Biden has comitted?
They both killed a lot of people. Choose neither. Don’t wish that death upon strangers.
The only country actually running over people with tanks is Israel and does it with the unconditional support of the US
Liberals as always don’t see Arabs as people. Don’t you dare come asking for our votes.
I’m not. I’m saying both are bad. The others mass murder too. Choosing them out of spite for the first is wishing a similar mass death on someone else. You’d be as guilty of those deaths as liberal voters are for yours.
Vote for who you want just don’t pretend your helping yourself or anyone else
Right back at ya
And Hamas doesn’t see LGBT people as people. Liberals don’t want to murder me for the way I was created.
So if I understand correctly, all 2.5 million in Gaza over 40% children deserve to be slaughtered in the most cruel way possible? Did you even watch the doctor’s testimony?
Oh I will absolutely denounce Israeli wartime tactics as excessive, as well as call their settlements illegal. The question is whether you will likewise denounce Hamas as terrorists, or will you lift them up as freedom fighters?
I’m not sure if you could apply to all of them… because, I’m not sure what Kim Jong Un would be doing in the middle east… That would definitely be an interesting one but, that at least applies to Stalin too, it didn’t last long, but Stalin absolutely steamrolled Iran there for a bit.
If you wanna know “what would happen” to central-asian countries under soviet rule, you can, well, look at central-asian countries under soviet rule, such as Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan, lightyears away in terms of progress from other central-asian countries with a history of western colonialism like Pakistan.
The only country actually running over people with tanks is Israel and does it with the unconditional support of the US
Liberals as always don’t see Arabs as people. Don’t you dare come asking for our votes.
What did Kim Jong Un do? Build a water park?
American liberals don’t have a coherent criticism of imperialism, all they have are US State Department-mandated vibes.
