Not a fan of him teaming up with Manchin to promote more oil drilling.
I’m just not a fan of Manchin.
Manchin can go to hell.
Manchin got us to 50 in a deep red state. There are so many red states in middle America that, in the current political spectrum, it is nigh impossible to get to 50 dems in the senate.
I hear you, Manchin wasn’t my guy, but we would have got bunk from the Biden administration without him.
Something something, it’s easy to hate, harder to love.
Manchin got us to 50 in a deep red state
With significantly more funding from the party coffers than other candidates and significant efforts to make sure that West Virginia would never get a choice of anyone but him and Republicans.
The desperately poor white working class of West Virginia might have primarily defaulted to Republican because of far right demagogues doing a better job than conservative Democrats of pretending to want to change the system to something that doesn’t abuse the poor as much.
A progressive candidate who genuinely cares about systemic poverty and agrees with the majority of West Virginians on the need for single payer health care could feasibly win in WV if not for the DNC fighting so hard to avoid it in favor of a coal baron beloved by party brass even know that he’s registered as an independent.
I recognize he’s done some decent things and he’s a dem in a deep red. I’m not a fan - but recognize his position. Rather have a DINO than Rep.
I’d like it to be mayor Pete. Young, smart, well spoken, Rhodes scholar, veteran. Plus it would set him up for a serious run at the presidency in the future.
Can you imagine a VP debate between an actual fucking astronaut and Peter Thiel’s former blood boy?
He is center enough to balance her ticket. Problem is we’ll stave off fascism for one more cycle but we won’t get important changes pushed. It’ll be a don’t rock the boat presidency.
How does center balance center? Or do you merely mean she’s a woman of color and he’s a white man?
Jump right in there with allegations and accusations do you?
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Did you literally stop reading right there? If so that’s on you.
Finish the fucking sentence.
Finish the sentence.
Winning the presidency will be a wake up call for Republicans. Trump would be finished politically. If Dems hold the Senate and take the House it’s a mandate
People said the same thing in 2020.
We’re playing for time here. Good chance that Trump will be dead or clearly too old to run in 4 years. MAGA is a cult and without the cult leader, much of the danger is diffused.
That’s kind of assuming they can’t just find any other freak to take command while doing everything the foundations and conservative PACs and corporate donors want. I don’t actually think trump really has all that much charisma beyond his slightly flamboyant mannerisms and his weird accent that I’ve never heard anywhere else. They could pretty easily replace him with some other brainworm candidate, probably get someone way younger and slightly more well-spoken, lose maybe like, 10% of the diehard trump supporters, and then gain back those numbers and more after running their candidate for like five months and trying to ride with slightly more centrist appeal.
Trump isn’t like, the end of this, he’s just a kind of canary in the coal mine for what’s to come, because the conditions which created him still exist and are actively worsening pretty much all the time. It’s not gonna end with him.
I like him, but PLEASE don’t vacate a Senate seat right now…! The balance is too tenuous at the moment. The Rs just lost a seat with Vance that could be filled with someone that isn’t batshit crazy; let’s not pull the same stunt in AZ.
Democratic Governor appoints new Senator to carry out remainder of term. It’s safe. A special election would then happen in 2026.
Vance only leaves if Trump wins.
HELL YES
Not just that! Fuck yeah!
Bawww, some people in this magazine are funny.
Cwy to the modewators, shitheads. lol
Huh?
wat
Did you even respond to the correct post??
Probably not since it could very well be a bot and it just posted it’s copy pasta in the wrong spot.
I hope trump wins out of spite against the snowflakes who’re overly sensitive and don’t understand the implications of how weak of a VP Mark Kelly is.
Based on your personal experience, which color crayon would you say tastes the best?
You could just state you don’t understand political strategy without also insulting everyone…yikes.
Nope, with you assholes throwing the first stone, it’s no point in doing so. Why entertain assholes with trying to be serious when you pricks weren’t being serious to begin with aside from jousting because you’re ironically being triggered by my responses, huh?
You can’t have it both ways.
Lol wreck’d before I could read it, must have been a gem!
Spite, eh. You’re a turd, man.
And you’re a trolling shitlord yourself.
Almost 10 comments in this thread and near 400 words from you without one single explanation of WHY Mark Kelly is a bad choice. You’re one example of why voters are so uninformed, you would rather argue than present anything credible for others to learn.
Nah, not going to. Some of the others who have commented have stated their reasons and I sided with them. Perhaps if you’ve taken at least a minute into my post history while you’re downvoting every comment like a little stupid child (hey this isn’t Reddit by the way so points don’t affect me in the rate I’m posting so ha). You would see what comments I’ve responded to!
Like mind blowing shit there.
I would suggest taking some time to evaluate yourself, I haven’t downvoted anything and was looking at your comments to see what your actual thoughts were since you seemed like you were informed on the subject matter (but guess not). I believe you’re the only one here worrying about votes (if it doesn’t matter why even bring it up?). If you’re here just siding with people who comment actual relevant information, just upvote and move on. You’re being the loud voice that says nothing and doesn’t add to the conversation, just making the actual information harder to find with more comments of bickering to scroll through.
He’s scared. He’s low-educated. He knows it guarantees Harris the White House.
I’d say it’s likely either him or Beshear, with Beshear having a slight edge.
Let’s see what you folks missed…
Navy combat pilot. Would be the first of those in the administration since HW.
Arizona would be a nice get electoral wise.
GW left the military as a First Lieutenant (O2). Kelly retired as a Navy Captain, (O7).
If their careers were firearms, GW’s would be a .22LR revolver; Kelly’s would be a 20mm CIWS.
Navy combat pilot. Would be the first of those in the administration since HW.
Why would this ever be an asset for the presidency? It’s completely unrelated to the skills involved and doesn’t demonstrate any particular merit of bravery or understanding the costs of war. I don’t particularly want someone whose chosen role in warfare was comfortably dropping bombs on people they couldn’t even see.
Didn’t you see the movie Independency Day? Clearly it could be a huge asset for a US President.
Some people would say that when you are commander in chief it’s good tha5 you have military experience. So far, JD Vance is the only person with such experience.
JD Vance was a “combat correspondent” in the Marine Corps, and separated after one tour as a Corporal (E4).
Kelly was a Navy Captain (O7).
One of these men was entrusted to operate the space shuttle; the other, a digital camera.
I don’t like him.
Politically, it’s a very smart move.
Cause I’m still voting D here, even not liking him. They’re trying to pull all the undecideds they can.
I would love to see Mark Kelly as VP and then campaign for president.
He’s 60 right now. If Harris goes 2 terms, that’s 68.
He does not support Medicare for all, and also does not support the green new deal, according to his wiki. He also supported increased oil drilling.
So he’s pretty moderate right IMO, which sucks. I hope he’s not her choice.
His position on healthcare seems to be Medicare for All Who Want It, without forcing people to drop their private health insurance if they prefer to go that route.
Yet the people around this instance thinks he’s a great VP candidate…
Funny how you’re upvoted a lot for mentioning this, but someone else does, then it’s a downvote parade.
If the goal is preventing Trump from winning and shoring up harris’s weak points, Kelly is a pretty good choice. We can argue about drilling and green energy after Trump is in jail for all his crimes.
Trump is never going to jail. For fuck sakes, when will you stop drinking that kool-aid? It’s a practical fantasy at this point. If he hadn’t gone to jail for two impeachments and so far hasn’t gone to jail for the recent convictions - what makes you think he’ll ever go to jail now? Get over it.
The Green New Deal was a white paper produced by a DC think tank. Obama implemented some of it. Biden implemented a lot of it through the climate change bill.
Yeah, see this is why I was so attached to Biden. The average Democrat isn’t really all that left. All this stuff with climate change and unions under Biden was very much an anomaly, and we’re probably returning to a certain amount of status quo with Harris.
Idk, I could be wrong; maybe she’s super left and this guy’s being floated as a gift to the New York Timeses of the world so the ticket will be acceptable to the six figure Manhattan shitheads that their editors are friends with, so they won’t print bullshit about her to try to lose her the election. And she still doesn’t want to destroy American democracy and all climate change remediation since Obama, which makes her worth voting for. But yeah we can expect a certain amount of corporate bullshit to come back into the equation now, I think. 😕
From what I’ve heard, it sounds like her senator policy stances were left of Joe? But chances are, her vp will prolly be more center, and who knows what her policies look like when she has to take stances that aren’t representing just California.
Joe did a pretty good job as president courting progressives though. It was all much further left than his time in the senate. Still not far enough left for me, but better. I hope Harris follows that. The population generally is moving in that direction, so they need to.
The average Democrat is to the left of their representatives on a lot of things, including climate change: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/08/09/what-the-data-says-about-americans-views-of-climate-change/
Kelly is not an average Democrat representative, he’s definitely on the right end of the caucus.
True, but he is representing AZ, and technically he should be following the wishes of his constituents.
The real problem with picking him I would think, would be opening a senate seat in a purple/red state like AZ. The last thing the senate needs is another Sinema (or an even worse republican ).
Not a problem. The governor of Arizona, a Democrat, will fill that seat, and Arizona law requires she fill it with a Democrat.
I think he’s pretty electable and, right now, anyone who helps win is good.
I think “electable” is dead in the water and, for now, a thing of the past. What the Democrats need is someone who will get dems to the polls come election day. Luke warm glass of milk isn’t going to cut it because MAGA is fired up. Dems need to be fired up too.
What the Democrats need is someone who will get dems to the polls come election day.
Democrats in contested states.
We win the popularity contest, time and again, but because we keep picking blue-state Democrats, we keep losing elections.
If we would ever pick a Democratic candidate who has actually won an election in a red state, the election would be a runaway landslide, and the GOP would have to come crawling left.
I think it’s a healthy balance, on the ticket, that helps reach those purple states more.
Unexpected
HuffPo be huffing something hard.
I fucking hate this reality right now.
Like okay, the chances of Harris winning at all is slim enough if barely. Having this prick from what I gathered, will not improve anything.
Someone is triggered.
Someone is using an abused word that has lost all significant meaning. Did you peak in middle-school?
Removed, civility.
I don’t think a single one of your downvotes is because someone is “sore”… but I suspect you already know that
That’s something that a triggered person would say.
What the fuck, you didn’t even say why you don’t like him. Fuck right off.
Relax, brother. No need to be so angry.
Kelly represents a swing state, so this is a move to improve their chances to win it.
Kelly has a better chance than Harris. He should be at the top of the ticket.
Maybe if you had some sort of argument as to why you didn’t like him, but I’ve heard nothing but good things. Willing to have my mind changed if you actually have anything more than misplaced raged.
Pfffft, I could have made one but with the infantile reaction you’ve all taken with potshots, rabid downvoting and everything. Do you guys honestly think you would’ve taken a rational counterargument? I doubt it. Don’t lie to yourselves. For everytime you spam the word ‘triggered’ or whatever, your actions speak louder than your little words could.
Bunch of entitled manchildren you all are.
I didn’t downvote you, you’re projecting something there I think. I honestly haven’t super taken the time into looking into his record or anything to have formd a solid opinion, so would’ve been completely open to any ‘counter argument’ you had, but you just want to be angry and scream about manchildren.
What don’t you like about him?
