I believe lemmy.world and other instances should start defederating lemmy.ml and other “tankie” instances.
Many users have blocked these instances for extreme political content already.
Please suggest any changes.
EDIT: ok ok ok, I understand this is a stupid idea, how about a default ban list banning lemmy.ml
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How about you worry about your own feed instead of others’?
just this is needed
bruh we’ve had this petty “conversation” for ages, can we just grow up and move on
I’ve been in support of defederating from .ml for months. Their shit is spilling into all the other instances.
i find tankies very funny they are a representation of the ouroborus they eat themselfs. de-federation is gay and should only be done with illegal shit other then that use the block button.
de-federation is gay
Not sure what you mean by this?
i think its Self-explanatory .
You are free to block communities or even whole instances if you want.
I don’t particularly care for the anti-western hegemony, anti-capitalist, attitudes from a minority of users there that can’t help themselves but make every post political but i still enjoy the content from the rest.
The health of the network depends on being able to have a lot of different viewpoints and servers federated which each other. It’s better for users to block content and users that are bothersome to them than admins to defederate for political reasons (harassment, legal and liability issues of course are reasonable still)
I agree here. I would like the power to be with the individual. let us block at all levels, by keyword, etc. Let me subscribe to anything as well including other folks block lists.
How do you block an instance from the browser version of lemmy?
Go to settings > blocks and there should be a instance block there
Hey, thanks.
Just link to support websites to do with solvent abuse (paint/glue huffing) whenever you see a hexbear / lemmygrad post. Push the narrative that they all huff paint and eventually they’ll isolate themselves.
I agree with the hex bear removal. The people and subs are just poison.
Just block the users you don’t like, sheesh. For instance I usually just block any .world users who make threads crying about “tankies”.
You can block Lemmy instances in your settings. You have the tools to solve the problem, use them.
It doesn’t stop you from seeing comments from people on that instance, even if you block the instance.
Just block them.
Ah yes, simply block every user from .ml (one of the biggest instances after LW). Even if it was that easy, it doesn’t stop them from influencing the discussions happening in your instance’s communities and the culture of your instance.
Ah yes, simply block every user from .ml it doesn’t stop them from influencing the discussions happening in your instance’s communities and the culture of your instance.
I feel like this is problematic … every user? That’s necessary or warranted?? That there are so many of them and that it’s hard to do undercuts the idea that it would be warranted. It’s just way too likely that there’s a diversity of users which makes this unwarranted. Which is exactly why defederation can be abused, especially when it’s done by large instances.
Part of the idea of the fediverse is community building and grassroots social media infrastructure. If there truly are problematic users, that’s what moderation and reporting is for. If you aren’t happy with your instance’s or community’s moderation, then you likely either need to help or move.
Otherwise, encountering people you don’t like … feels to me like it’s part of social media (to an extent of course). It’s not like you could block all the subscribers of a sub-reddit over on reddit(am I wrong on that?), and I fear defederation is too often weaponised by the overzealous. Blocking all users of an instance over “they’re influencing the culture” just smells off to me.
I think there should be a default blocklist and defeds should be saved for illegal shit
if I want to see an instance I should be able to
Even if you block an instance, you still see comments from that instance and the instance can also still influence your feed via voting. Which means propaganda or what’s worse can still be pushed to people’s feeds.
Just keep that in mind - defederation is a more effective tool, but obviously it should be used with care.
Which means propaganda or what’s worse can still be pushed to people’s feeds.
As if there isn’t propaganda everywhere else?
It’s just a part of life lol. You just don’t like propaganda that you don’t support, which is fair
I just mean if an instance turns bad or malicious in some way (through excessive propaganda or any other reason), that’s a legitimate reason to defederate and blocking cannot stop all malicious acts. Defederation is the only method to actually supress it entirely.
defederation doesn’t entirely suppress anything, it just encourages people to switch to instances that are still federated
That’s not a bad thing I think. If you switch because you still wanted to connect to that instance, that’s good, because you moved to an instance that more closely aligns with your values (i.e. more closely aligns to what you want to federate/defederate to/from).
Hexbears stay winning as always
If racing to the bottom was a competition, you’d still be second behind Yugthos and their army of Canadian-based hot-takes. The only thing you’re winning is second place, always.
Literally who?
I’ll share this with the lemmy.world admins, but I believe hexbear at a minimum is already defederated. .ml is not. Not sure on lemmygrad.
Hex bear and Leningrad are both defederated. Just lemmy.ml isn’t which I have blocked. Mostly because it’s annoying ending up on one of their communities and then having them get all upset when you point out basic facts.
Please share with the lemmy.world admins that i don’t want to be defederated with lemmy.ml then too. OP should really ask their own instance admin though, what the hell.
General consensus seems to be that, yes, .ml is problematic, but also it’s not going anywhere due to being the OG lemmy. Too many vital communities are there.
“This instance is spewing harmful propaganda, but it’s ok because a bunch of people talk about Steam there.”
It’s called a federation. Its design is intended to give people options. To provide a diverse network of content that people can navigate as they see fit.
The internet can naturally do a bad job of facilitating good and robust conversations.
Federation is the only cure I’ve seen for social media … where separate but connected and navigable spaces can co-exist, enabling a discourse through contrasting biases and perspectives, for those willing to use the content that way.
Can’t stand a community or instance? Don’t subscribe. Or unsubscribe or block.
Instance defederation is an extreme action and requires extreme justification IMO. It reduces the size of the network and the value of the ecosystem. Especially for lemmy world’s size … it has a responsibility to support the network.
What some loud people find unacceptable is likely interesting to some quiet others.
Differing political “sides” or perspectives isn’t enough. Politics isn’t everything for everyone. Moreover, it’s exactly the domain in which a diverse array of content is most valuable and important … because no one has all the answers!
Tankies are fascists. Fascists shouldn’t be tolerated.
Tankies are fascists.
From what I’ve seen around here, this just isn’t true and seems more like anything “extreme” and not somewhere closer to the middle is bad.
Authoritarians are authoritarian first. Everything else is a very distant second. I really hate when people call Marxist leninists/tankies fascist. They do a lot of the same things but there are distinct differences which makes one different from the other.
I think with the heavy resurgence of fascist politics around the globe right now. A lot of people sort of just learned the term Fascism and just randomly apply it to things it shouldn’t be. The truth is Marxist leninists are to tankies what Liberals are to fascism. And the funny thing is both groups will usually download that heavily LOL. Despite it being a basic fact of their general authoritarian Behavior.
Can’t stand a community or instance? Don’t subscribe. Or unsubscribe or block.
I agree that defederations should not be done lightly, but I just want to point out that “just block” is not a foolproof strategy. An instance block on Lemmy functions like blocking all communities, so you will still see comments from that instance on other posts. Also, the blocked instance will still influence your feed via their votes.
it has a responsibility to support the network
Well, on the other hand it also has a responsibility to provide a reasonably well-moderated space that doesn’t include bigots or what’s worse.
To be clear, I am not advocating for or against defederation of lemmy.ml, just want to add some nuance to this.
just want to add some nuance to this.
All good and cheers!
