They need to pack the targets in bunches of 20-25 and house them at an elementary school if you want these mouthbreathers to show interest😉
mfw the shooting venue wasn’t a school
Don’t be rude.
The venue could also be a populated street, a supermarket, or a playground. Our mass shootings aren’t just limited to helpless school children.
i apologize; that was culturally insensitive.
Sometimes classroom training doesn’t translate.
Certainly hit lots of live targets in the classrooms of Uvalde.
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I can picture the American shooters just doing pray and spray and drive bys
You’re not wrong.
In fairness, you see that chick from South Korea?
To anyone who is curious, that little elephant plush is her daughter’s who gave it to her mom for good luck…or the mom just really wanted it, I wasn’t there
I definitely would not want to be the guy who tried to mug her.
Remember that in modern countries she wouldn’t be allowed to carry that
I’d say that really depends on the country. Unless you don’t consider Czechia or Switzerland modern.
You can get a permit to carry a gun in Switzerland if you actually have a good reason for it, like being a security guard. Otherwise you can transport it to your shooting range as long as it isn’t loaded. So I wouldn’t really say she could carry that in this context.
Also walking around with a gun is very frowned upon in Europe, even when there’s a reason.
That grip on that thing is crazy.
It looks like they took a wooden block and CNC’d her hand shape into it and nothing else. I’d like to see it from the other side.
Something like this
I will never have that kind of swagger
I don’t have the slightest idea what I am looking at other than a girl holding a gun in a way that looks painful
The rule is you have to hold it single handed. Then everything follows logic, you need to have the arm fully extended to be more stable. You need to keep your eye behind the iron sights. etc. Try it out yourself, extend your arm and see if you can find a more stable position.
Incredible. I just used my sons nerf toys, and there’s just no way to do it to line everything up without leaning to get your head at the level with the pistol.
The gun itself is the painful looking part. I’ve never seen a pistol that wraps around your thumb like that. Her stance seems perfect, give or take a little lean.
Having used a similar gun, it’s way more comfy than you think.
Are you really critiquing the stance of an Olympic level athlete?
No, I’m critiquing the other poster that was critiquing her posture, which as I mentioned is exemplary.
Reading comprehension is hard, but it’s never too late to learn.
give or take a little lean
Critique is analysis.
OHHHHH GOODNESS HOW COULD I FORGET THAT LEANING 3 DEGREES IN A DIRECTION WOULD GET YOU DISQUALIFIED.
Tell me you’re angry over innocuous details without telling me you’re a nitpicky assinine idiot. Please, I’ll wait.
Meh, you critiqued, and said you didn’t. Own it I guess.
And angry, no, not worth my time. Pedantic? Sure.
Is this a Futurama reference?
Even Cowgirls Get the Blues
she looks like an arena shooter character.
i bet she can go partially invisible for 20 seconds with a cooldown of 7 and throws mad stun bombs
I just permaban her
Sucks that there are no schoo children and black people available as targets.
Their averages are still fucked.
American police officers will spend 43 rounds on a single eight year old jaywalker while the average Japanese assassin requires less than three rounds per Prime Minister.
*47 rounds
While the one Japanese assassin requires one round per 47 Prime Ministers.
At this point we’ve only had finals for the events that use children’s guns. I’m not really surprised that China would beat us at shooting children’s guns. They’d probably win a tricycle race too.
I thought American guns Are for shooting children…
No, they’re for shooting ourselves when we’ve had enough of the crushing capitalism.
TIL some people think there’s such a thing as a gun for children.
if you told me they sell a gun specifically for children in texas i would absolutely believe it.
that state is fucking crazy
I was just in the bass pro shop in Memphis the other day, and I did in fact see light caliber rifles specifically marketed for children to use.
…i mean, i got my first BB gun in third grade and my first twenty-gauge in fourth grade, both youth firearms for christmas in texas; our semi-automatic twenty-twos were hand-me-downs from younger cousins in mississippi who’d graduated to thirty-thirties…
They do in California too. It’s the whole country.
There’s a brand of 22 rifles named cricket that are specifically designed to teach children how to shoot they’ve got built-in safety locks that are a bitch if you lose the key
Aren’t you from Indiana? I just assumed y’all had free .22s for underprivileged children.
They probably did in most of Indiana, but I grew up in Bloomington and it’s the evil librul leftie commie part of Indiana where a bunch of old hippies who are still hippies settled around the horrible liberal indoctrination center of Indiana University, so they only gave us water pistols.
Oh that makes sense. You were indoctrinated by the evil IU. Why I bet that Kinsey man taught you all sorts of left wing lies like that it’s more ok for a man to love another man than to love his rifle in an intimate way.
As a matter of fact, that is a thing that exists. I had a special child-sized .22 rifle when I was 5 years old. My parents kept it safely stored and allowed me to practice with it under close supervision. Sears made them, marketed as a “youth” model.
Well we do have frequent school shootings in America, so any gun that’s been used must be a children’s gun right? /S
This comment makes me sad
Oh, I didn’t realise there was a drone strike event coming up.
It could legitimately be an Olympic sport. Although they would need to disguise the name by calling it something like “precision drone-flying” where the goal is to drop a water balloon filled with paint onto a target or something
You’re just making up a sport for the Ukrainians so they can get a gold medal
They’ve been through a lot, they should get something nice from it.
Til 12 gauge double barrel shotguns are for children.
Big colourful bullets so little fingies can use them. It’s basically a nerf gun!
Maybe the army guys that the US sent over for trap shooting got lost on the way?
Or perhaps shotguns are for babies, and they only know how to fire rockets or something.
What guns do you imagine they will shoot next? Are you expecting the event to be sponsored by Armalite? Do you think Kalashnikova will show?
I think OP was pointing out that several of the competitions use air guns, but conveniently glossed over the one with shotguns (which I’m sure OP will love to know, China got a silver medal…)
Also, the air guns they use are absolutely not for children.
It’s like saying they throw a discus for children in that sport because it looks like a frisbee.
Shotguns. No, and no.
It’d be nice if they had a long range category with real rifles. Most countries are already uncomfortable letting their people have access to Olympic pea shooters, so I don’t think we’ll ever see 1000 meter shooting as an event.
You do know shooting sport guns are built specifically for shooting sports at the Olympic level, right? You seem to think power is more important than accuracy. I doubt any of the athletes agree.
But I’m sure there’s some sort of “Redneck Games” or something where people use AR-15s with bump stocks and Colt .45s to target shoot. You should check YouTube.
I’m just not impressed with any marksmanship that maxes out at 100 meters. Regardless of how powerful a gun is it’s not impressive to be accurate at such a short range. I don’t care about how powerful the gun is, I just want to see it fling something far enough to be interesting.
I’m sure we’re all sorry that the world’s best target shooters don’t impress you. Unfortunately, no one took you into consideration when arranging the Olympics.
The world’s best target shooters under a very specific and particular set of circumstances, usually indoors. It’s like you’re trying to insult me for not being impressed at the driving skills of the world’s best indoor go-kart racers.
Like every single olympic sport can only be performed in a very specific and particular set of circumstances. What is this bizarre gatekeeping?
No, I’m trying to suggest that if you don’t like it, don’t watch it. What’s the point in telling everyone why Olympic athletes don’t impress you?
You know they hit about within a half inch circle at 55 yards. That is with iron sights and the weapon not supported! This is really remarkable. If my top of the head calculation is correct this is about 1 MOA. Better than the hardware error alone of older/ lower end guns.
It is still super boring to watch however.
Hahahaha why aren’t you in the bloody Olympics then if it’s that easy?
When you say “children’s gun” do you mean a gun for children to use, or a gun designed to use on children?
For children to use.
That’s why muricans need assault rifles.
No no… America has always been about quantity over quality. This proves that.
At Olympic competition you just don’t have black people or school children as targets. Which is a severe disadvantage for American shooters.
Pfft. I used to bulls-eye womp rats in my T-16 back home.
Stop bragging and go over to Tosche Station. We’re totally out of power converters.
Even Guatemala got their first ever gold metal and it was on shooting and she broke the Olympic record.
Nice! Congratulations, Guatemala!
American shooting is a lot more flash than precision.
Legitimately there’s a category of shooting sports that’s about the most efficient use of WWI trenchgun style slam firing, which is basically abusing the reload speed on that class of shotgun to convert it into a semi-auto.
We literally made a sport out of what the enemy tried to get classed as a war crime as an act of spite and you’re wondering why we not so good at traditional marksmanship? It’s a level of decorum that America was basically founded as a fuck you against.
Legitimately there’s a category of shooting sports that’s about the most efficient use of WWI trenchgun style slam firing, which is basically abusing the reload speed on that class of shotgun to convert it into a semi-auto.
That’s hilarious cause I did this with my pump action paintball gun. Didn’t know there was a term for it.
Is that not how we’re supposed to fire that?
I kept chopping paint in mine so I just switched to a semi-auto. God I havent played in forever. Except I need like defoggers for my mask, since I need glasses
Part of a long and proud tradition o7
Stock-Class CCI Phantom 🫡
I mean, the Olympic version of traditional marksmanship is using a lightweight pellet gun that can’t be holstered with a $5,000 customized hand grip and little eyeglass oculars.
You make the competition with a glock 22 and allow 5 seconds to empty the clip and it’s a different competition.
Olympic shooting is just a different beast. Look at the differences in scores; it’s fractions of a point, in most cases. Air guns simply aren’t popular in the US, while they’re one of the very few options open to most people outside of the US. And, TBH, there’s not a lot of support for the Olympic shooting sports in the US, aside from possibly trap.
They use conventional guns as well. But they are specially designed for shooting sports.
https://www.nbcolympics.com/news/shooting-101-olympic-equipment
If nothing else, you can’t destroy a clay pigeon in skeet shooting with an air gun.
The “conventional” guns aren’t conventional by any normal definition. I suspect that the air rifles are slightly more accurate than the .22 rifles, because it’s really hard to get perfectly consistent .22 ammunition. I’ve known a few people that did that kind of target shooting–I think they were all Finns?–and holy hell, they’re really particular about controlling for every possible variable.
Trap uses very normal shotguns, aside from being extraordinarily, exquisitely made; the over-under shotguns are works of art.
I don’t think most Americans even know there are other guns beside the AR15 lol…
Christ I’m so glad I dodged that gun nut culture. I was very close to falling down that rabbit-hole in younger years.
Ha that made me laugh
Americans actually do shoot quite well, but the rules around gun handling are incredibly strict for Olympic shooting.
Things like minor celebrations, emotion, or even the cadence of your walk while leaving the range can cause disqualification.
Since American shooters can’t hit a bullseye without shotgunning a beer and magdumping into the sky as eagles carry exploding fireworks in celebration, they do not often place in Olympic shooting
The Olympic venue is probably intimidating when you’re used to using schools as shooting ranges.
“I can tolerate precision shooting, but I draw the line at emotional regulation!”
Or in other words, what’s missing from our country’s gun use is respect.
The vast majority of our issues with gun violence is the fact that we disrespect guns almost as much as each other, they’re just another crass tool for achieving a feeling, like power, masculinity, reassurance and comfort. So then guess what happens when you flood the streets with more guns than every other developed nation combined?
We are a nation of undisciplined shooters, they may shoot “quite well” in some cases, but for every shooter who does quite well at hitting a target you have several thousand who have no idea how to shoot, AND have no clue about gun safety, respect and responsible ownership.
Well, sure, but you don’t send a random selection of citizens to the Olympics. You send the best.
The nation with the most gun owners per capita and a huge population should have many pinnacle-tier shooters, even if it also has many bad ones. So the question is, why aren’t they at the Olympics?
Honestly? Opportunity. It starts with money, or willingness for you or your parents to give up everything that isn’t training.
I was in the service with some incredible shots. I’ve been on the range with some pretty incredible shots. Most of them would never have the opportunity for any number of reasons.
Some of that comes down to simply money. Flavor Flav is sponsoring our women’s water polo team because some of them were working three jobs while training to stay afloat. Not everyone wants to or even can do that.
That is really fucking cool that Flavor Flav is doing that.
A lot of the people who would be excellent at shooting have no interest in specifically Olympic shooting or training for the type of shooting required, unfortunately. That, and the military has probably poached the best of the best, and don’t want to show what “best of the best” shooting looks like for strategic reasons.
(side note, happy cake day!)
.22’s are too small for them
Those ones probably aren’t trying to compete in the Olympics.
smells like the gymnastics problem to me, incredibly strict ruling and doing things “too dangerous” will get points knocked off to me.
You certainly don’t need to a fucking psychopath to shoot guns respectfully, but you also shouldn’t be deranged either.
Respect is a big part of it. Another problem is that they aren’t seen as actual tools. They’re probably more often a male enhancement device than a tool.
They should be viewed as a tool for the production of meat, for the efficient removal of varmints. In the worst case they are a tool for the defense of self or others. That worst case scenario is actually very rare.
Tools and toys can be interchangeable. However: some pretty strict laws govern the use of toys like sports cars.
My shooting tools are mostly polymer stocked or gripped. Plain, cheapest base model I can get. Then I take them apart and work on the mechanisms to make them mine. I don’t have a lot of them, just have a few for my particular use cases.
I really like them. I get pleasure from using my tools. I also really like my lathe and my daily driver small truck. I’ve also taken them apart and worked on them.
I think this attitude should be required if one is going to own and be responsible for such a dangerous tool. There should be an interview process or something to weed out dumb fucks and the mentally unstable. After all, the militia was supposed to be well regulated. It’s not particularly complicated.
They’re probably more often a male enhancement device than a tool.
Exactly what I’m saying, and people hate hearing it, because guns are fun and if you tell people to have less fun with something they fucking want to rip your head off, especially as we enter an age of desocialization.
Desocialization is gonna be our really big problem, because while unstable backwoods hicks and suburban commando-wannabes are thoroughly worrying when they go out in the open, but they’re mostly harmless, they have social groups, they talk to others, they have range clubs, even “militia” groups that I’ve known are just chubby dads who want an excuse to camp in the desert and bring a cooler of beer.
Nah, where we really need to be concerned is the growing mass of people who cling to guns like pacifiers AND live in social isolation bubbles, spending all their time on social media and chat groups that only reinforce their beliefs, getting locked into weirder and weirder interpretations of reality, losing the line between reality and fantasy.
You saw this starting in earnest as far back as the Charlottesville “Unite The Right” white nationalist rally where one protester was murdered. There were, along the “hardened” white supremacists were no small number of kids. White, pasty, tubby kids who spend all their time on 4chan or in deeply unhinged areas of the internet. There are some famous clips of these kids, some crying on the curb after being pepper-sprayed, saying “This was supposed to be like a game!” as they sobbed.
If you notice, we’ve only had a dramatic uptick in mass-shootings since, and I firmly believe social isolation is breaking people. Most of the shooters we see now fit that bill, everyone is looking for patterns, but the only one I see is these are people with no friends, no social lives, infatuations with guns, and read fucked up nonsense on the internet until they believe it.
Yup. You get it. The solution is simple, with one exception. Simple doesn’t mean easy.
We need socialized healthcare including mental healthcare. That would do a lot, there are almost always signs that a non-gang mass shooter is mentally unwell.
Gang and crime based mass shootings would fall through the floor if we removed the incentive for them, prohibition of drugs. Addiction should be treated as a health problem.
We need to identify these sources of hateful propaganda, the nests of poisonous ideology and root them out through education. We aren’t teaching critical thinking, I think that also has a lot to do with it.
You also have many young men that lack good role models for positive masculinity. This is a big thing I’m not sure how to fix. Toxic masculinity has become so pervasive and has infected almost every straight man that can be considered macho. I’m a very masculine man, and proud of it. My zippo says Daddy. My straw hat also has a pride/equality pin next to a Ruger pin. The number of men that I meet like myself is quite low. Met a very macho trans man once that I found had a similar worldview. Have met similar men in the gay leather communities but they tend to cluster in large cities and form insular communities for their own safety.
The number of men that I meet like myself is quite low
You’ve met at least one here, I was raised by nutcases out in the boonies, raised deeply conservative and religious, did a sharp 180 when I got out on my own/escaped, and have now settled into an ideology that’s really all about harm reduction, personal freedom and kindness to one another, something that is completely at odds with how most men see masculinity right now.
I have walked in both worlds, I get it, I get how so many people can feel so afraid and so ready to withdraw from the system and fight anyone who would take away their comforts. I get how so many young men are so lonely, traumatized and insecure. I get how so many women can’t trust men and end up making the problems worse as a result. I get how so many people are tuned-out from politics and social discourse and what this is doing to the world.
The causes of all this are many, but they all highlight a massive failing in the human experience, we are a cursed creature who are stuck on the rails of biology and evolution, we think we have far more free-will than we really do, we think we’re somehow logical and rational, but we can’t even see the actual universe around us, if there even is one. We are trying to fit a ridiculously complicated world into our brains that were formed over ice ages and only really knows how to predict dangerous predators.
And I don’t know which is worse anymore. Having awareness of all this, or being naive, blissful and ignorant. Neither gives peace, neither offers solutions, neither makes our lives better.
On that last point I think part of the issue is positive masculinity needs to be tied with self love/empowerment. The focus on toxic masculinity has overall been negative and easily spun as “men are toxic” (even though the people who’d benefit most from positive masculinity would be men themselves). Men are struggling because its hard to find a way forward that society accepts and supports
Yeah. I have no clue how the path out of it works.
Lots of disenfranchised young men full of anger and drives, piss and vinegar, see negative messaging for liking the stereotypical things that young straight men like on one side. On the other side they’re welcomed with open arms and then drip fed poison while reinforcing their identity.
Here on Lemmy if you talk about hunting, meat eating, etc.; people get all riled up. Think I have at least one troll following me and down voting every post.
The left is failing young men and driving them into the open arms of fascism.
I have no clue what can be done about it.
Yeah, I agree with you on pretty much all points. All I can really do is see my peers or juniors who may be at risk of falling into the darker corners, and try and bring them into my circle before that happens, but I only have so much time and energy, and that only helps the ones who get seen before they fall
yeah i was gonna ask, do we even have a team that runs for this? I feel like we would’ve heard about it otherwise, yknow, being american and all that.
