Our courts are ran by money, seriously doubt they’ll even get probation
There was a very nice bit in the TV show Emma:
“She should be able to come and go as she pleases, not as the fucking Daily Mail pleases! Pardon my language.”
“It’s alright. I’ve heard the words ‘daily mail’ before.”
This is a fine line, be careful! But that old hag is hateful.
How does the jurisdiction even work there? A UK citizen and a SA/Canada/US citizen get prosecuted for cyberbullying of an Algerian citizen? Don’t get me wrong, they deserve it, but this feels like a “careful what you wish for” type of thing.
It’s almost like these borders we have are stupid and arbitrary and instead we should have a global system of justice to handle these cross border crimes.
But hey. Nationalism.
Ever heard of the lèse-majesté laws in Thailand? Now imagine a dictator able to use that to silence critics globally that are “cyberbullying” them. We already see it with countries filing bogus Interpol requests to harass dissident diaspora members. And sure you could have an independent body, but then that is subject to politics and capture.
“It’s like these borders we have are stupid and arbitary”
You get that borders and people governing a piece of land is stupid…but you still don’t GET IT.
Thank you
Yes, let’s imagine the worst possible implementation of this broad idea. Done. Let’s not do it that way then. Problem averted, thank you for submitting your complaint to the planning committee of the new world order justice system aka me apparently.
Yes, let’s imagine how humans will try to exploit a system like this. Concentrate power like that and people will absolutely try to abuse it. Someone has to set and enforce the rules, and that means one single global point of failure.
Welcome to the interconnected world we live in. Better than pretending we are separate.
I thought the conspiracy videos I watched about a new world order were lying when they said there are people out there that actually want this.
Lol self report.
You’re advocating people be tried for speech crimes by an international body that they didn’t vote for and can’t fire through an electoral process. Seems like a great idea that totally won’t backfire.
Says who? I made a broad statement and you’re assuming specifics to be mad about.
INTERPOL has existed for over 100 years.
I do love international cooperation. What’s wrong with even more cooperation?
Even arguably the two most similar cultures in the world, the United States and Canada, have enough disagreements on how government should work that there wouldn’t be massive support on either side for them to merge.
Not to mention 1A has worked against Rowling in the past (she threatens libel lawsuits that are valid in the UK, but US doesn’t extradite for stuff that would be considered free speech there.)
Ya know what, your totally right. All of human history up to this point was just building to the natural borders and separations we have right at this moment and never should we aspire to come together beyond them. Everyone is exactly in their place as God intended. Wishing for more human cooperation is not only stupid but somehow immoral, despite the fact that centralizing larger populations has been the progress of humans for all of human history, it should stop right at this moment because the people living through it just can’t imagine their flag being different. They like the flag too much.
All around the world, crime is defined very differently. What would a global system of justice look like?
Would you say the system as it exists now is your Utopia? Then why does mine have to have no flaws? Your question is loaded, it’s looking to poke specific holes into the broad idea that humanity should cooperate further. It’s pedantic.
I never said yours has to have no flaws. I literally just asked you what you thought lmao
Your asking for specifics from a laymen. That’s argumentive bait. My “vision for global justice” is irrelevant to the broad idea that we should have one as I am not talking specifics.
you wish…
Fines should be based on net worth. That fine is a joke for them.
Nobody is going to jail. Sorry to burst your bubble. Just find comfort in knowing they will likely cost themselves millions, needlessly.
If only the law would apply to the rich and powerful… if only, if only…
This would be nice if it happened, but I give it 1% tops. Elon especially, the government has its fingers in his businesses and would likely step in to cut a deal even if his money couldn’t save him. But since he didn’t break any American laws and the 1st Amendment is a huge thing, I doubt he’d be extradited in the first place. He might in that case end up with a standing warrant that would get him arrested the minute he stepped foot over there, though, if he’s tried in absentia.
I don’t know anything about UK law so I have no idea what would happen to her royal terfness, but she’s got dump trucks full of money, so she’s probably fine. If there’s one thing that’s the same everywhere in the world, it’s that rich people live by their own set of rules.
Honestly, I couldn’t understand why people called her a TERF for the longest time, I figured she was just a TEF. But her outburst calling this “the new men’s rights movement” has me understanding now. With that said, meh. But maybe I’ve grown up around too many crazy people for it to register any more.
I think the R is also because she posts all the fucking time about it. I assumed she had some dumb reactionary views but wasn’t quite sure why that was so newsworthy (I’m sure lots of people have dumb reactionary views, esp the ultra wealthy). But she literally posts all day every day about it, it’s fucking bonkers.
I think being trans-exclusionary makes you a radical per se.
Not really. Other than the perpetually online, a majority of people believe that trans identities in women’s sports is wrong. I don’t know how to fix that perception, but it’s a pretty common viewpoint.
Being trans-exclusionary everywhere ELSE absolutely, you would be considered a radical.
But before “Gender Identity” even became a thing, sports had some pretty simple rules: If you take substances to modify your body, then you’re excluded from competition.
Unfortunately, that’s the primary basis of gender identity nowadays, so it’s a natural consequence. Notice that the problem never really even gets discussed in men’s sports (except by reactionaries) – because there being any kind of physical advantage in the male category is negligible at best.
A futur defeat and knowkout for Imane Khelif. Anyway it’s just a question of $$$
I would love that as much as anyone, but does anyone here seriously believe this will happen?
Musk? no way.
Jk mold? Maybe but unlucky
Hoping, but in no way expecting.
Five years is the maximum sentence, which a person with no prior convictions should easily be able to avoid. Even if the case was brought against a regular person, I doubt there would be jail time. Musk and Rowling can naturally afford the best lawyers, and Rowling has gone radio silent from what I heard. So, fine is easily possible, but jail time is highly unlikely.
She’s deleted like 30 posts and hasn’t made any in a couple weeks
Imane might have won gold, but her greatest victory is getting JKR to shut tf up.
If you don’t use twitter, she doesn’t even has a voice.
This is indeed the best outcome.
Just imagine how hard done by they’ll be if they even get the fine. Omg freedom of speech is dead, next they’ll get you for thoughts etc etc
No, especially not coming from Daily Mail.
Lock them up!
We all know this will never happen, but a guy can dream…
I’m not sure how I feel about cyberbullying being punishable with jail time
I am sure. It’s caused suicides.
Same with “SWATing”, giving every asshole access to the internet has caused real physical harm to many people and should be punished severely.
Be careful. Suddenly JD Vance couch memes are illegal, cause it’s making fun of someone for something with no basis in reality.
Believe it or not, posting a meme about JD Vance on Lemmy, where he doesn’t even go most likely, is not cyberbullying.
It is also generally not considered cyberbullying to do such a thing to a public personality like a politician.
Harrassment and defamation are real charges regardless of whether they happen online or not
Well the way laws tend to work they scale to consequence.
Like think about speeding in a school zone. You get caught by a cop doing it it’s a fine. Nobody is going to jail.
But say you speed and hit someone and cause injury. You probably face big fines or a few days in jail or community service.
But then imagine you are speeding in a school zone and you hit and kill a kid. That’s not ruled a no fault accidental death as it would be if you weren’t speeding. Because you broke the smaller law you get the upgrade to manslaughter because you were found criminally at fault.
Cyberbullying applies the same logic. As long as there were no criminal harms and measurable damages it’s a little fine to remind you that that’s not cool. But the more recordable damages the cyberbullying causes the more you are on the hook. If you are a person with millions of followers chances are you have a lot of potential destructive power and it is wiser to keep your facts straight and your nose clean when it comes to calls to action to harrass someone who has comparatively very little ability to defend themselves.
Sometimes I think the Right has a point about how sensitive we are… But, only sometimes…
Nobody does till it happens to their kids or a family member and you see what it does to someone, especially children and young people
