Trump can have one more felony, as a treat

  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    Everyone posting quotes from the trump side, so here’s what the Army said:

    “This incident was unfortunate, and it is also unfortunate that the ANC employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked. ANC is a national shrine to the honored dead of the Armed Forces, and its dedicated staff will continue to ensure public ceremonies are conducted with the dignity and respect the nation’s fallen deserve,” the statement said.

    So the Army sided with the people at the cemetery, and tge following paragraphs indicate the Pentagon does as well.

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      Barely… They don’t even condemn the people who did it. They say it was “unfortunately.” Give me a fucking break.

      Imagine if this was a Democrat.

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        The US military is very apolitical. They don’t get involved with campaigns or politics. I think it may actually be illegal for an active serviceman to make statements with any political leanings. Certainly in uniform I think.

        So for them to say this much is actually a big deal.

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          Agreed. It even says in the article that the army stays out of politics and such a statement was a very rare occurrence. So we can infer the fact that they made a statement at all carries quite a bit of weight.

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            Actually, surprisingly not badly. US generals like Milley took precautions to prevent Trump from doing even more disastrous things. Military leadership is generally respectable.

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        their campaign would have ended and you’d still be hearing about it in 2028

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      Not only that — what is the penalty for violating Section 60?

      The army acts like the employee being assaulted was the only issue.

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    I thought it was an Onion article!

    What happened to all troops that die in service being losers?

    He really is a disgusting twat.

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    The army stated that they consider the matter closed according tovthe article. I doubt any legal action will come from this.

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      That’s not the point. Lots of people now see how tone deaf the entire campaign is.

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          It turns out that the police will absolutely rise up but the military is all about protecting and following the chain of command. I used to think as you do but I’ve since seen so many times when they have expelled the crazies. There’s no union protecting bad soldiers from consequences.

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            I’m pretty sure they’re saying his followers are a cult, not the Army. His followers will easily take the word of him and his campaign over the Army and Arlington National Cemetery.

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              I’ve reread the comment a few times and still think that they were talking about the army. I do see what you mean though.

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          You say that yet everyone except the “base” is fleeing. Trump is limited to down ballot voters and whackadoos.

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            Audio leaked of him admitting he sexual assaults women because he feels he’s entitled to, and he won the presidency. The “look” of anything Trump does is irrelevant.

            The one true thing he has ever said was that he could shoot someone on fifth ave and not lose any support.

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              I disagree.

              There’s certainly a lot of people that will just vote for Trump no matter what, but this election will be won or lost on the hapless fools who are still bobbling around in the middle easily distracted by phrases and headlines.

              The “look” of anything Trump does is irrelevant.

              It’s true that his loyal fans are blind to his egregious flaws, but this statement is nevertheless hyperbole. If it were true he wouldn’t need to bother campaigning.

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                Campaigning in the USA is all pageantry. He’s doing it for his own ego. Anyone who hasn’t made up their mind about Trump in the last eight years isn’t going to be swayed by this picture. It’s like the hundredth least worst thing he’s done.

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                  Whoever hasn’t made up their mind about Trump in the last eight years is precisely the type of idiot who will be swayed by these types of things in the weeks and months before the election.

                  This isn’t going to be the foundation for a landslide against Trump. My point is, it’s not good for him.

  • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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    I’m just exhausted at this point. Nothing he does phases me anymore. Just gotta say my piece at the ballot box and hope for the best

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      Yeah I’m so fucking tired of watching him break federal law out in the open with zero consequences over and over and over and over

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      Normalization of this shit is how the fascists get a foothold. In this very story we see that the victim is not pressing charges because she is afraid of MAGAfash. The absolute minimum thing you can do is stay angry. Enjoy passive opposition while it is still an option.

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        the victim is not pressing charges because she is afraid of MAGAfash

        Does she say this or are we making it up?

        Seems like she’s not making a big deal out of it because she’s in the army and someone shoving her a bit while rude isn’t a big issue in her day?

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      I’m actually impressed a former president currently running for reelection managed to fuck up pandering to the military so bad the Army called him out for it.

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      I’m just exhausted at this point. Nothing he does phases me anymore.

      Yup. There’s no point caring, he’s a broken record of hatred. Just move on.

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    Honestly, those families of fallen soldiers can go fuck themselves. They dishonor the memory of their children that made the ultimate sacrifice for this country. They don’t get to invite Trump to wipe his ass all over the graves of soldiers. Their children deserve respect, but they deserve scorn.

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    I’m so glad he pissed off the army before trying to stage his second coup.

    Good luck asshat.

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      He pissed off the 60% of the army who already knew what a disgusting failure of a human he is.

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      The US military is aggressively non-political. Don’t count on them to do anything as long as the civilian institutions do nothing.

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          Just means they can be deployed against traitors, not that they have the authority, or consider themselves to have the authority, to make the judgement on who is and is not traitorous.

          Civilian control of the military is a good thing. But it also means that any thought of the military as a safeguard against any tyranny that worms its way in through civilian institutions is… misguided.

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            May seem sad, but in fact good if really works this way.

            Since I’m in Russia and here shit went wrong (EDIT: after the last time shit went right) since Yeltsin using military to “resolve” a constitutional crisis in 1993 (not really a crisis, just when the Supreme Court says both Yeltsin and his opponents in the parliament should resign and have new parliament and presidential elections, that apparently is a crisis, because he’s the president, thus the boss and should be able to make all decisions ; that unironically was the main argument in support of Yeltsin, ex-Soviet people have a very weird idea of law and order, where the boss deciding something is “dura lex sed lex”, while referring to codified laws is “legal illiteracy”).

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        That’s not the point. The Military is no longer a tool he could use. Staying neutral unless things get really bad is a good thing. He’s already tried to use the military against protestors. (And the military told him to pound sand)

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          Am I crazy? I distinctly remember a military helicopter hovering quite low over protesters in a city and that very much didn’t feel like them telling trump to ‘pound sand’

          Yeah, not crazy: https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/28/politics/pentagon-national-guard-helicopter-dc-protests/index.html

          I appreciate the army’s attempts at trying to stay neutral but from my perspective they were already complicit in the trump regime and I have no faith that they would be any different if he gets another shot.

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            Not American, I thought national guard and army are different because the national guard do stuff like security at disaster sites and riots which the army aren’t allowed to?

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            You’re not crazy. The thing is there’s a difference between the national guard and the regular army. The national guard is used to control protests all the time by state governors. In D.C. Trump gets to act as that governor. What Trump wanted was a regular army Infantry division with lethal weapons. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs actually got into a shouting match with Trump over the issue.

            When he couldn’t have that toy he tried to tell the National Guard to use live ammo without actually ordering it. He told them to use “all available means” to protect federal property. The National Guard however has trained extensively against using live ammo in protests since May 4, 1970. So they used every non-lethal method they knew, including the down wash of their medevac helicopters. Which the Pentagon later said not to do again as they consider that to be against the regulations for medevac helicopters.

      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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        But Trump can’t go a day without showing his ass for attention. Without rose colored glasses dismissing the things he does he will remind them consistently how much he doesn’t care about soldiers.

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    “For a despicable individual to physically prevent President Trump’s team from accompanying him to this solemn event is a disgrace and does not deserve to represent the hollowed [sic] grounds of Arlington National Cemetery. Whoever this individual is spreading these lies are dishonoring the men and women of our armed forces, and they are disrespecting everyone who paid the price for defending our country,” LaCivita continued.

    Wow. Just a fucking gross response. Every chance they get they try to insult the person who was doing their job.

    “We had given our approval for President Trump’s official videographer and photographer to attend the event, ensuring these sacred moments of remembrance were respectfully captured and so we can cherish these memories forever,” the families said.

    His idiot followers would think their invitation bests federal laws.

    A different article said that the reason the beleaguered employee wasn’t pressing charges was fear of harassment by his sycophants. His toadies make life hell for descent people, thus shielding him from repercussions. It’s time to put this man out of the spotlight so the wheels of justice can run him over.

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      descent people

      Second time in the last few days I see that particular typo. It’s “decent”. Please.

      • psycho_driver@lemmy.world
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        I dunno have you seen the movie The Descent? I could see the cave dwellers in that movie being cousins to the MAGA crowd. Great low budget horror flick btw. Skip the sequel.

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          No, but I’ve watched Disneys Descendants. A bunch of villain’s kids get to go to school after being cut off from society all their lives due to their parents choices. The kids come in to school dedicated to evil, but the more they learn & get to know people, the more they all decide to be good people.

          I have no idea how that relates to anything in the real world in the past however many years.

      • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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        Yep, you’re right. I caught it when re-reading my post to contextualize a reply, though it’s been too late to edit without being dishonest. I hold myself highly accountable for mistakes and that’s one of them. Thanks for pointing it out.

        I also like the Oxford Comma and a proper ellipses…

        • rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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          It was more of an emotion than pointing something out, I hated autocomplete too when it was a new thing and would suggest nonsense half of the time. =\

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      It’s sobering to think about how far US politics has fallen since I’ve had the power to vote. There was a time that I can still remember, where something like this would do more than kill a campaign. Republicans would be condemning their own candidate, and the candidate’s PR team would be working overtime putting out, “we apologize for the misunderstanding and meant no disrespect to the fallen soldiers” statements to try to quell the backlash.

      Nowadays? Nope. They double and triple down, and their base loves it. I hate this so much.

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        I cast my first vote in 1990. It was the first and last time I ever voted for a Republican. Please forgive me. I was eighteen and raised under Reagan. I didn’t yet know better.

        Anywho, I concur with your assessment. We’ve fallen so very far.

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    Where can I read in full what the army said? I couldn’t find anything in their official press releases

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    The US Army published a measured response to the implicated poor behavior of an on duty servicewoman at ANC.

    The Army would very much object to this being categorized as “against” Trump. Rather in defense of their service members and their correct actions.

    The Army is careful not to overextend itself on political rhetoric and invite too much politics directly.

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      Yeah for them to say this much is a big deal considering they like to stay out of this stuff. It’s pretty much a harsh repudiation coming from them.

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    Lol. Dude most likely to attempt a coup in the US just pissed off the armed forces. You love to see it.

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      Good point. However, why would it have taken this long? This man has been nothing but insulting toward our military.