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    I feel unrepresented.

    Harris will continue to work with the DNC for major donors and against the people.

    Trump is allowing Nationalist Christians to infiltrate the government.

    Please give me a shame box too.

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      No need for shame. There is nothing wrong with how you feel.

      Unfortunately the Democratic party became conservative and the Republican party went batshit insane because of it.

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    Politicians will always disappoint you. There will always be things left undone, done poorly, or done in a way you disagree with. Everybody needs to get used to this and learn we vote for the least bad, not the most good.

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      The only politician who won’t disappoint you on every issue is yourself. Run for office. No joke. Use your rights. Vote. Speak. Run for office.

      Not using those rights is functionally the same as not having them.

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            One really good example is the stroad that’s preventing good bike infrastructure. The roads that are managed by the township have bike lanes - even if they’re not separated - but the stroad is a state route, so we have no bike lanes on the main connection between these lanes, and limited pedestrian infrastructure.

            This is why we have kids getting bussed to the school that’s across the road from their house.

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              So how is that situation an argument against people running for office? Like jobs are meant to be challenging and work, it’s not like being elected then grants you a magic wand to seamlessly solve issues.

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      Politicians will always disappoint you. There will always be things left undone, done poorly, or done in a way you disagree with. Everybody needs to get used to this

      Why?

      Why does everyone have to get used to and just blindly accept that the system is shit and doesn’t serve them or make their lives any better?

      Why are you so comfortable settling for so little?

      Why don’t you want better for yourself, and worse, think you get to demand the same of others?

      (I don’t need your answers, these are all for you and those who agree with you to ask yourselves)

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        Because people in office are individuals and morality is relatively subjective. The only politician who will do everything you want and believe everything you believe is yourself. Run for office.

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          Right, as if the system isn’t very deliberately designed to withstand reform and will not hesitate to weaponize every tool it has at its disposal (from the courts to the media to the police and the other alphabet agencies) to assure no leftist ever actually makes it in to a position of real power (not that we would want to, since we believe the state should be abolished, not joined, for precisely the reason stated above).

          For the however many’th time, you die hard liberals can tell yourselves as many fairy tales you want to make yourself feel better, it won’t change the reality - the system is not designed to serve you, but to keep you placated with nothing but an illusion of choice. Those with power and money wrote the rules, what on earth, and at this point in time with history unfolding right in front of our eyes as it is, again, makes you think that following those rules will ever work in your favour?

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        In what world will a politician never disappoint you?

        I’m generally in full control of myself and even I disappoint myself - fringe third party candidates is not the political messiah some people think they are.

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          I don’t understand how this is the argument against third party. Why does the candidate need to be the Messiah to be better than Kamala?

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            The question was why do we need to accept that politicians will disappoint you, implying that they had something they believed would not disappoint them.

            I thought it was a third party candidate.

            Apparently it was anarchism.

            Rookie Lemmy mistake.

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          In a world where “politician” isn’t a career, or even a thing that exists, and instead people make decisions communally and horizontally. It’s called anarchism.

          You not knowing or being able to imagine alternatives, doesn’t mean none exist.

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              They won’t be able to provide any larger than a few hundred people because those systems are extremely vulnerable to malicious actors.

              Communism and anarchy work for small groups where people know and trust each other and are able to compromise.

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                I think it’s more that people are profoundly emotionally uneducated which leaves them open to social exploitation.

                In the US, children are legally their parents’ property and are a type of slave class. If you are groomed to be a slave your entire formative years, don’t you think this will make you accept controlling fascists? Probably if we worked on communicating what abuse is and worked on community itself, bad faith actors would have a harder time. We know this because the US dissolving their communities for capital has made the country weak and uneducated.

                You asked if there are real life examples of community - it’s so silly because it’s everywhere. Humans are naturally social. It’s capitalism that is new and rare, looking at human history. Please remember that capitalism isn’t a synonym for trade or economy.

                There’s a reason capitalism favors psychopaths and abusive people. Anyone who’s lived with such people knows that’s not sustainable. Living with people who are emotionally mature is much better and more sustainable, and less likely to receive reactive violence.

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                  Even educated people are vulnerable to misinformation on topics for which they are not experts, and propaganda is a numbers game. Socialism is a better scaling economic system because it basically creates a lot of small communities (workers who own the company). Democracy scales better than anarchy because it creates a system for the decision making of anarchy that wouldn’t be possible for more than a few hundred people. Both also have downsides, but handle scaling issues better than the other options.

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            Being able to imagine alternatives doesn’t mean they’re realistic.

            How realistic do you think this is?

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        1. This is an imperfect world.

        2. Democracy is necessarily the function of creating coalitions of compromise between literal millions of people, all with different interests and concerns.

        3. Politicians, as a career, self-select for ambition and ego, and that comes with certain implications in even the best of them.

        4. Jesus fucking Christ, is it really so little to not want to die or see my friends and family horribly oppressed?

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          Look, I will tick the Kamala box. I do indeed believe that Trump is a bad candidate and will oppress many people. But I don’t want people to feel like this shit is normal. Back in the late 1970’s to the 1990’s, nobody would have thought that both parties would end up supporting the same genocide, with one being a little less pumped. Or maybe even the 2000’s, when the War on Terror was thought to be conducted humanely. We have lived in an imperfect world before, along with millions of people, and politicians self-selecting for ambition and ego, and there was nobody calling to wipe an ethnicity off the face of the Earth. I’m not surprised at the Dem party, I’m surprised that there are fascists in the White House and I’m supposed to just accept it as a normal part of democracy. Well, I won’t! Both parties in the United States supporting a genocide requires voting to solve, but it’s purely abnormal! I’m not wanting a world any better than a world we used to have, one where the United States did not conduct ethnic cleansing!

          We live in a nation with the Internet, fast food wherever you go, products that arrive at your door when ordered, touchscreens, full 3D videogames, V-Tubers, the Moon Landing, nuclear reactors, and the White House lighting up in rainbow colors to support LGBT+ rights–yet when asked to stop a genocide, it’s suddenly too much to ask. I would give up so much of these fleeting pleasures to protect human lives. Should I just become a lotus-eater, and neglect the outside world to “act humane”?

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            Back in the late 1970’s to the 1990’s, nobody would have thought that both parties would end up supporting the same genocide, with one being a little less pumped.

            Man, I can absolutely cite examples of both parties supporting genocides in that time period.

            Well, I won’t! Both parties in the United States supporting a genocide requires voting to solve, but it’s purely abnormal! I’m not wanting a world any better than a world we used to have, one where the United States did not conduct ethnic cleansing!

            I… would count myself as an American patriot, but I’m pretty sure the US not committing ethnic cleansing is an extremely recent phenomenon.

            We live in a nation with the Internet, fast food wherever you go, products that arrive at your door when ordered, touchscreens, full 3D videogames, V-Tubers, the Moon Landing, nuclear reactors, and the White House lighting up in rainbow colors to support LGBT+ rights–yet when asked to stop a genocide, it’s suddenly too much to ask. I would give up so much of these fleeting pleasures to protect human lives. Should I just become a lotus-eater, and neglect the outside world to “act humane”?

            Man, if you want to pour all your time and energy into this cause, unironically, go for it. But part of understanding just how vast and fucked the world is also requires one to accept and understand that we can’t fight every battle simultaneously. Hell, most battles aren’t even our’s to fight. And no amount of martyrdom from an individual can change either of those things. I’ve been calling the Israeli genocide for what it is for years now. I’m not exactly sitting here telling you to shut up about it. But we have to be realistic both about what we can achieve and about what we will sacrifice to achieve it.

            You could sacrifice every waking moment of your life, every meal above the level of gruel, every social connection and personal property unrelated to the cause, all for the sake of a .0001% contribution to ending another country’s genocide, but the onus shouldn’t be on you to kill yourself to correct every sin in the world. At some point, it’s not on you or me as individuals.

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          is it really so little to not want to die or see my friends and family horribly oppressed?

          well i mean it depends on what you mean by this, you will inevitably die, so, idk how you plan on getting around that one. Oppression is an incredibly broad and complex topic, or the simplest of them with no indirect explanation. The answer is the same though, do shit to change public sentiment.

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            I’m not looking for the People’s Democratic Equitocracy, I’m looking to save the United States from its own folly. It’s just one nation. All the U.S. has to do is stop the arms shipments.

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            No intermediate steps allowed, no development of material conditions, no war of maneuver. Hole in one or don’t play.

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              This is my strategy for anything artistic… drawing, music, painting, anything like that.

              If I’m not getting offers from the Louvre 30 minutes in… is there really any point at all?

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                  Just saying I suck at art…😉

                  Change is effected not overnight, but by continuous small wins peppered with numerous setbacks

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              yeah i too just free hand an entire bridge in one go, no mathematical checking, or double checking anything, i don’t even get someone else to overlook it, i just wing that shit one handed!

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            then don’t

            literally, just don’t. You don’t need to care, nobody is asking you to care. It may seem brash, but sit down and think about it for a bit.

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              Tons of people are asking me to care. They say that I’m not a good citizen if I don’t pay attention to the news, even if it upsets me.

              “If you’re not angry you haven’t been paying attention.”

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                ask them why they care if you care.

                Ask yourself why you care if they care.

                unless the problem is directly related to you, there is simply very little that can immediately be done about the problem, and if there is very little that can be done about it, do the minimal amount of effort needed to accomplish something and move on, or simply don’t worry about it.

                Not everybody in society has to care about the same problems. Find something that you can make a difference in, and make a difference in that thing. You’ll be doing your part for society.

                Be mad about things that you can be productive on, not things that you can’t be, otherwise you can’t be productive.

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        Cuz it’s democracy. If you wanted someone to be in office who would get everything done with no obstacles no roadblocks and no delays then you wouldn’t be looking at democracy you’d want a dictator. You can want that if you want but just be honest about it.

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          Lmfao, except you don’t have democracy. You have oligarchy and kleptocracy and plutocracy. You also don’t have a government that is “getting everything done without obstacles”, but pretty much the literal fucking opposite. The fact that the only alternative you can imagine to the current (non democratic, slipping in to fascism) state of affairs is a dictatorship is a problem with your lack of imagination and narrow view of the world (though granted, you were heavily indoctrinated that way), not a reflection of reality, nor the array of other ways that society can not only exist, but thrive.

          There was good reason I told you people to ask yourselves these questions - you are the ones standing in your own way with your insistence of living according to a full blown fallacy because you’re just comfortable enough with the way things are, and are too scared of change, specifically no longer holding the privileges the current system grants you in exchange for your compliance, and the idea that you might not have anyone to feel superior to.

          Until you’re willing and able to face that within yourself, I can’t help you, nor am Interested in hearing the mental gymnastics you do to justify your actively maintaining the status quo. ¯\(ツ)

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            You have oligarchy and kleptocracy and plutocracy.

            none of these are accurate, except for maybe plutocracy.

            Gerontocracy would be more accurate.

            It’s fundamentally not an oligarchy, that’s just not true. Trump didn’t do fuck all during his term for this exact reason. It’s obviously not a kleptocracy, unless you have like, actual proof of this. Trump being a good one, but that’s not a historical precedent.

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              If Trump did nothing then why are people so scared of him winning the election?

              How do you figure we don’t have an Oligarchy? There is more than just the executive branch of our government by the way. There’s also the Legislative, Judicial, and Black Rock.

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                If Trump did nothing then why are people so scared of him winning the election?

                because a leader that does nothing is an ineffectual leader. You want a leader that does something not nothing.

                this also ignores the part where he tried to like, overthrow democracy, and ruin the government, but nobody likes to talk about that part.

                How do you figure we don’t have an Oligarchy?

                an oligarchy would be something like russia, The US as you said has multiple branches, the executive being the most front facing. You’ve got the judicial and legislative branches as well. The legislative branch (congress) is literally made up of hundreds of people. People that WE vote in.

                black rock is also not a branch of the government, they’re a private investment firm.

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                  With citizens united, don’t you think it’s relevant that campaigns can accept large amounts of money? Like voters can see endless ads of one candidate if they have enough money. Campaigns can hire PIs to dig up dirt and air it. Money in a capitalist country confers power.

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      Voters will always disappoint you. There will always be things left undone, done poorly, or done in a way you disagree with. Everybody needs to get used to this and learn we vote for the least bad, not the most good.

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        The difference is campaigns spend over a billion dollars these days and don’t even try to convince voters.

        They do anything for donations to spend on fundraisers for more donations, and they just go round and round. Every revolution everyone involved skims a little.

        If it costs over a billion dollars to beat trump in an election, maybe we should worry less about donations and more about votes.

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        In a perfect world, we should be voting for the person with the most solutions that would improve the world as well as country.

        We shouldn’t be voting on those who’s likely going to be half-assed.

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          we should be voting for the person with the most solutions that would improve the world as well as country.

          well, i would remove the whole world portion, because that’s an extremely broad brush and can cause problems. It’s better to just focus on having the best and most productive leadership possible, the more advancement you can do the better.

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          We don’t live in a perfect world. Someone is going to be president for the next 4 years, and at this stage of the game we have 2 distinct choices.

          Also, what you called half-assed someone else might call the democracy process. Just because YOU want something doesn’t mean I want the same thing. Your vision for how to solve Palestine or Ukraine or improve wealth equality might be vastly different from mine. Just because you don’t get exactly what you want doesn’t mean the system is useless or not worth participating in. If you were to get exactly what you want, then I’d be getting walked over. If I get exactly what I want, then you’d say you are not being heard.

          The only fair system is to elect a big-tent party and then work through dialog on trying to reach either consensus or fair compromise on the various topics. But we won’t have that option if we let the fascists get control and do their Project 2025 thing while ignoring us.

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            It boils down to good politics is boring and full of compromise.

            Lot’s of talking and compromise doesn’t make for good headlines or scare motivate voters to the polls. There is room to add the large media companies to the blame of ‘perfection’ since they are always looking for the imperfect to talk about. And then they bash that imperfect-ness into the ground.

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    you mean to tell me that my two candidate options are dumb and dumber… And then thing1 and thing2? (i almost gotcha on that one)

    Whatever will i do. What a hard decision.

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    “I have high standards, I’d rather have my clothes covered in dog shit than put on a non-Gucci article of clothing.”

    How’s them standards going for you when you’re now covered in shit?

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      They revel in being covered in shit. Then they call you the real filth for not covering yourself in shit.

      In other words, not unlike Republicans.

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        You joke but they legit just are republicans who insist they’re leftists because they’re wearing a coat of red paint over that shit.

        Like 9/10 times they’re some bougie white kid who never experiences the difference between republican and democratic governance first hand because they’re privileged and insulated from it, and also they’re tied to people who do nothing but complain about how awful democrats are and they refuse to do any unlearning beyond just saying they aren’t bigots anymore.

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          You joke but they legit just are republicans who insist they’re leftists because they’re wearing a coat of red paint over that shit.

          Oh, it’s no joke. I believe wholeheartedly that if the GOP kept all of its current stances, but was an anti-American party in, say, Europe, and put on the Communist aesthetic and rhetoric, tankies would be lining up to lick their boots and cry “Critical support for transgender genocide!”

          Like 9/10 times they’re some bougie white kid who never experiences the difference between republican and democratic governance first hand because they’re privileged and insulated from it, and also they’re tied to people who do nothing but complain about how awful democrats are and they refuse to do any unlearning beyond just saying they aren’t bigots anymore.

          God, even on the local scale it can be gruesome. Getting a Republican administration is like watching the municipality be gutted in slow motion. It’s difficult for me to sympathize with tankies, since they clearly don’t lack time to mindlessly parrot talking points fed to them by their social circle read about politics, but they act completely fucking clueless about the difference between Dems and the GOP. Or, for that matter, the difference between any imperfect cause and pure fucking evil - except, of course, in judgement of their red-painted fascist states, whose actions are always either justified or justifiable, and criticizing blatant totalitarianism is just not appreciating AES and proof of being a shitlib™.

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    I’m sitting this one out too. Kamala has started to grate my mind because I’m not hearing her touch on things that I feel she should. It’s always been about identity politics and more undoing of Trump’s policies whatever is left.

    I’m confident I’m going to wake up after the general election and to hear that Trump had not won, that’ll more than suffice. But it doesn’t make me hopeful in what Kamala hopes to accomplish in her 4 years.

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        OoOOoO, Spooky language!

        The reason I woke up to Trump in 2016 because Clinton was a weak candidate and it was a blow to morale of those who wanted Bernie Sanders.

        Guess what, bruh? We’re not in 2016. Check your calendar. Ask people what year it is. Go on, figure it out. I know you’ve peaked in middle school so I think you’ve got maybe a braincell left. Go on. Figure it out.

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      I too thought Trumps candidacy a joke in 2016. How could anyone listen to him and still vote for him? After I got over the shock I pictured everyone in flyover states as that bully from Simpsons, “Ha-ha”

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      • 1 day old account
      • Airs grievances for Kamala but not Trump
      • Completely writes off marginalized groups
      • Generalizes Kamala’s platform to “identity politics”
      • Fails to take into account polls and the last election as reasons to vote
      • Fails to elaborate on what they care about, just that Kamala hasn’t talked about it

      Sure thing, comrade.

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        Pfffft. Between us, one of us actually pays attention and unfortunately it’s not you.

        Get lost, Conservatard.

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      I’m sitting this one out too. Kamala has started to grate my mind because I’m not hearing her touch on things that I feel she should. It’s always been about identity politics and more undoing of Trump’s policies whatever is left.

      what the fuck else are you supposed to focus on, im not even sure the federal government has fully recovered yet?

      This is the one way you’re going to unify a voter base.

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    I’m still going to tick the Kamala box, but I’m ashamed of how little she’s trying to be a good candidate. After Nov4, I’ll get going with direct action.

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        Medicare for All. The insurance pyramid scheme is getting more and more insane

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          She was a big champion of Medicare for all in 2020. It is indeed a shame she isn’t talking about it now like she did last election. Judging from her 2020 rhetoric though, it is definitely something she would be open to doing if given a cooperative government, I think.

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            “open to” it is good, sure, but I want her to champion it. Bully pulpit and all that

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        Main issue for most people is the fact that she’s not trying harder to stop Israel from killing Palestinians.

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          Man you must really be angry at the rest of world too right? I mean at least her team is working for a cease fire, that’s more than the rest of the world is doing. Or are you pushing some form of narrative?

          Oh and I’m sure your response will have something to say about dems not doing anything, need to cut funding, ect. I’ll say there’s a 10 year weapons contract that was signed in 2016. Then you’ll bring up the Leahy Law, then I’ll bring up without Israel Iran will run roughshot over the middle east killing loads of people.

          Then we can go back and forth, I’ll ask two questions, you’ll answer one of them with some bullshit.

          So, you can save it, I’ll leave it as it is and I’ll continue to be disgusted with Israel and the world by not stepping up and stopping the genocide. You can keep posting bullshit about it being the dems fault.

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            So, you can save it, I’ll leave it as it is and I’ll continue to be disgusted with Israel and the world by not stepping up and stopping the genocide. You can keep posting bullshit about it being the dems fault.

            Bullshit?

            Harris has not indicated that she would waver in weapons sales to Israel and has not shown breaks with Biden’s handling of the war, aside from slight changes in rhetoric when addressing the human suffering in Gaza.

            https://thehill.com/policy/international/4862241-harris-palestinian-activists-israel-gaza/

            Also:

            https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/23/briefing/kamala-harris-convention-speech.html

            https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4852729-harris-issues-center-shifted/

            I’m voting for her because she’s not Trump, with the full knowledge and expectation that she’s not going to do shit on Gaza, Police Reform, UBI, M4A, Gun Violence, or anything else that might ruffle the feathers of the “center.”

            Is it OK with you for me to be vocally upset about it, in exchange for giving her my vote?

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            …without Israel Iran will run roughshot over the middle east killing loads of people.

            Israel is, as of 2024, running roughshot over the middle east, killing 40,000 people.

            Then we can go back and forth, I’ll ask two questions, you’ll answer one of them with some bullshit.

            This sounds oddly like the debate surrounding Vietnam during the war, and comprises a lot of debate on the United States of America being the “world police”. As for me, the United States has failed to be any sort of world police. There is incredible polarization in its political parties, several territories that are governed yet cannot vote, the last two presidents both lying and suffering from old age, and a well-known problem of candidates being paid off. If the U.S. cannot be run well internally, it has no business meddling with foreign affairs, which includes giving weapons and troops to Israel. Despite the cruelty of Israel, there remains a bigger problem to solve–that being an incompetent nation having an excessively high military and an interventionist outlook.

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            I was just answering a question with information I have gathered reading comments around here. Even the way I phrased it didn’t really include myself. Not sure why you inferred that I was so angry. If anything, your response is angry.

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              You’re ok dude. It sounds like this guy/gal has had similar conversations and was frustrated by them. Understandable on both sides.

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                That is true, there’s a lot of bad actors here that you can’t mention what they really are or you’ll catch a ban. He/she looked liked one. If you ask these actors more than one question they consistently will use quotes and only answer one question, then spew their bullshit, It’s the “tell”. My frustration is with the mods that see this shit, see the reports, and do nothing.

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          people need to get over the israel/palestine thing. they’re going to kill each other. there’s nothing you can do about it. your precious conscience is not the most important thing in the world. if you get bogged down on one issue, you will miss the bigger issue.

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          Well, there’s not much she can do atm as vice-president. It’s very well-known that Biden is very pro-Israeli.

          Her rhetoric on the topic as a candidate has been very mixed. She’s been improving since she had that meeting with Uncommitted leaders. Hopefully she can have a better plan than “ask nicely for a ceasefire” to present to voters before the election.

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            Harris said that as president, she would maintain the US alliance with Israel and “ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself.”

            To most people that sounds like she’ll keep sending weapons which will then be used to murder Palestinians.

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      Exactly, her winning is not the end. We need to apply a massive amount of pressure since she is a neoliberal.

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        Who the fuck is disliking? This is it. We need to apply the pressure after Drumpf is taken care of.

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    Pretty typical of left leaning voters. Lots of issues, lots of arguing, very little in the way of coming together. Give the Right one thing: They will come together to fuck you over.

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    You could make this meme replacing Harris with Trump in the text and replacing Trump with Harris in the pictures and it would be exactly as true, which is to say, not.

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      It’s the GOP that increases their chance of winning the fewer voters vote. They actively try to suppress voters. The more people that vote the higher chance the democrats win

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        Regardless, not voting or voting third party is not a vote for either major party’s candidate, as the meme implies.

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    Here is another take. You vote for both:

    1. The group that most closely resembles what you want AND
    2. The group that most likely will listen to your requests during the administration

    If there are things you want changed, Nov 5 is not the last day but the beginning. The next president will make decisions for 4 years, and every decision is influenced by people and our voices.

    Ask yourself, between Harris and Trump, which administration is most likely to want the things I want, and which is most likely to listen and be influenced by my side political views and the people I support?

    For me, the answer is as a hard NO on Trump, and a pretty solid Yes on Harris.

    Like the other thread abut guns. Sure, the Dems talk about wanting gun reform and it never gets done because they don’t have a super majority in Congress. But the GOP is 100% against it and will never contribute. Which side is more likely to do anything to help the reform I want to see? 4 years of Dems is a good amount of time to press for issues and seek some improvements. If I let the GOP have 4 more years, we are not even going to talk about change until the next election.

    Those that are willing to sit out an election because the Dems are not perfect, are inflicting the worst candidate on all of us and themselves. Don’t you dare later complain about school shootings, wealth inequality, tax cuts for the rich, abuse of queer folks, women’s rights, international inhumane policy. Don’t inflict Trump on us and then pretend to care about our issues or be on our side. If you sit out, you’ve picked a side.

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      I’d just like to clarify that presidential elections are not the only time to vote if you want to see any actual change. There are elections every year. Keep up to date on what’s going on in your state, in your county, in your city or town, and actually put the work in.

      Most of the people in power got there by being elected to other positions years ago.

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    A more nuanced version of this is, if you live in a state that has 0% chance of swinging, feel free to do a protest vote. Voting for Jill Stein or write in Bernie Sanders in California or Wyoming will not change anything, on the other hand if you do funny votes in Pennsylvania or Georgia you are worse than MAGA people.

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      Even if you are in a Blue State, the US needs to overwhelmingly reject Trump both in electoral and popular vote.

      Otherwise a Trump replacement will pop up in 4 years.

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      Yes, with electoral college that strategy is acceptable… buuuuuut…

      DON’T sleep for a second on the downballot races, for House Rep., Senator, Governor, state positions, ballot measures (including on a woman’s right to an abortion), and everything else applicable to you on Election Day. DON’T stay home even if you don’t like your choice of President/VP or that your state won’t affect who will reside in the Oval Office.

      Any of these other races can be close. Each has a piece of a government that has big effects on many of the issues you care about.

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    I’m 40yrs old. I voted for Hillary. I HATE the democrats, I HATE the republicans. Not once in 40yrs have they successfully reduced the budget, the closest was Clinton and we see how that turned out “erry budy gets a chek instead of healthy deflation”, both parties have ruled during severe drops in quality of living standards, both parties have to destroyed peoples lives with the failed war on drugs. Both parties are the finger puppets for the 1%. I refuse to play their game, we lose no matter what. Vote for your drug war baron that got famous for arresting people for marijuana possession. Vote for your conman that ruins small businesses by refusing to pay for their services. Both think you’re an idiot, and they can’t wait until your turn to be vulnerable to them. But sure, by not voting for the douche you are supporting the turd sandwich, in the same way by not getting a diesel gas car your supporting electric vehicles.

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      “Ha ha, it’s so funny when minorities are hurt more because I don’t feel like the suffering of oppressed demographics matter!”

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      I understand why you and many other people are extremely reluctant to vote/against voting in this election. But I feel your analogy is incorrect.

      By not voting for the douche bloodthirsty democrat you are supporting the turd sandwich fascist and (more) bloodthirsty republican, in the same way that not pulling the lever is supporting the death of more people on the train tracks.

      Not buying diesel/gas car =/= inherent passive support for electric in any way, but in a two party system, in an election like this one, not voting, or not voting democrat directly increases pedestrian train deaths the odds of america falling to a fascist party with a plan. You can vote * and still protest, petition, and riot against the policies you dont like.

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      voting now has a decent chance of changing the historical precedence here, kamala and tim walz are two unusual candidates in this cycle. Neither really have the classic dem history of the political ruling class, like biden and the clintons.