Guys quick a question. At the moment i have Ryujinx installed on my deck through Emudeck. Will it disappear with my next update???
Nah, Yuzu is still working fine on mine. Basically, if you had the emulator installed prior to the takedown, EmuDeck will continue to use it.
Which is honestly a pretty good argument for just installing every single emulator (even if you never think you’ll use them!) because they don’t really take up that much space, and you could potentially lose access to them if you never bothered before a takedown.
Historically, no.
When yuzu went down Emudeck was very specific that they will not remove any emulators that you have already installed.
I think anyone still in the scene will want to lay low for a while and work in the shadows. Only releasing after a few years.
I hope they dont go for dolphin or cemu claiming that certain games are in their e-shop for the switch 2 release.
Either way I think we should start backing up emulators and their source and require files regularly as a fallback.
I hope they dont go for dolphin or cemu claiming that certain games are in their e-shop for the switch 2 release.
That’s exactly what I’m afraid of
Tons of boot kickers in the comments here
Boot lickers?
Well you gotta kick boots. What else you gonna do, kick sandals? That’s just insane.
Now and then I bought Nintendo games for my nephew. This stopped right now.
Teach your nephew about the evilness of Nintendo and why he shouldn’t support them anymore.
Get him a MIG!
I mean. I understand the sentiment but I don’t think your nephew will understand 😅 you should keep buying games for your nephew bro. I’ll stop buying games in his place
I’m sure there’s plenty of other things they’d appreciate too. Maybe instead they could help them move over to PC even.
Why is Nintendo in particular this aggressive against emulators? Why haven’t we heard of Sony going after PCSX2 and RPCS3, or Microsoft going after Xenia and Xemu?
Nintendo sucks that’s why
According to what i’ve read around, the Switch 2 will be retro-compatible with the Switch and a big sellout will be possibility run all the old games in full hd with higher frames (something emulators already do better). Also this may have been used to adapt current emulators to the new console games.
Nintendo’s infamously protective of its IP, even to its obvious detriment. I know a lot of people who jumped on the nomoretendo bandwagon after AM2R got DMCA’d, because the smart and morally correct thing to do would have been to hire that person and pull his incredible talent into the next Metroid game, because they clearly had a lot of love and respect for the subject matter and the technical expertise to put it into action. It’s hard to overstate just how fucking good and polished that project was, virtually identical to the Fusion/Zero Mission engine, except in the ways it was more improved. It was certainly better than anything Nintendo had done with Metroid in quite a while.
Because none of those emulate current generation systems.
People act weirdly entitled about Nintendo product, then throw shitfits when Nintendo reacts exactly like Sony or Microsoft would to them doing the same thing.
It is likely due to age and popularity. At this point PCSX2 is the only widely popular emulator you’ve listed, but is older, in the same way Dolphin is old and less of a concern of harming their limelight. That isn’t to say those other emulators aren’t making waves lately, but there is a window between age and popularity that makes this software a prime target. Especially emulators for current gen, which has been historically very rare, and when it did exist were no where near as good as CEMU, Yuzu, and Ryujinx were.
In general I’d agree, although Citra feels like an exception. I’m not quite sure why they targeted that one so hard.
Probably for the same reason Nintendo shuttered the stores for 3DS and Wii U over the last year. They are attempting to consolidate infrastructure, support, user base, and sales.
I’d guess it is because the most popular way to acquire games for Citra was Nintendo’s own servers
I think this also shows how underpowered Nintendo consoles are; the Switch is essentially a slightly upgraded Wii U, which itself was only marginally better than the PS3 and Xbox 360! If Nintendo really wanted to combat piracy, all they had to do was beef up their flagship console to the point where it’s hard to emulate.
Well that sucks… I’m still pissed at Roblox for their DRM rug pull on Linux. Didn’t stop the bots and hackers for more than two weeks anyways - bet Ryujinx 2.0 will be out soon too.
Anyone know if DRM is cracked on Roblox yet? Just a yes or no I can find it nevermind I’ll go look
Not yet you need android emu to do it like sober
sober works.
I’m a bit salty this was apparently announced through Discord. Was it even posted anywhere else?
The future of social media is fragmented siloes, I guess.
I will never not be pissed off that the overwhelming majority of communities that made the internet vibrant especially when nerding out about niche stuff just happily moved to discord and foreclosed their futures.
Everytime I get down on the fediverse I think about what discord did to online communities I loved and I get fired up again.
Yeah, this is a big part of why I stopped using discord recently. Not yet sure of any alternatives but leaving is step one.
Matrix.
And… Lemmy.
It doesn’t matter though, the problem is the critical mass is migrating to Discord and shunting everything out of view. Honestly that’s much worse than being on Reddit, even now.
I wouldn’t have an issue with many different communications platforms if they didn’t all require an account (also Discord not being indexable sucks).
Discord is even worse, as you need to find an invite to a specific Discord, and sometimes go through a lengthy sign up process for each Discord.
Some won’t let you sign up without a phone #.
Yeah, why don’t they send an owl to each interested party?
Some of us like to be contacted via cute and fluffy snow owls…
You are a wizard Joe!..
…but an average one.
The last version released is 1.1.1403. Easy to find with a google search.
I’ve already found two repos that successfully copied everything over before the main repo disappeared. I even built a working copy of Ryujinx from one of them. I’d probably find several more easily if I tried hard enough.
Imagine not developing a controversial emulator anonymously…
Emulators have been legal in the past I thought. Sure, there’s something to be said about common sense and developing emulators for current generation platforms.
IIRC, they’re legal as long as they don’t explicitly distribute any of the copyright owner’s own code or files. That’s why, for example, PCSX2 requires you to dump “your own” PS2 BIOS and doesn’t provide any itself. Because PCSX2 doesn’t distribute the PS2 BIOS and because its way of talking to the BIOS doesn’t copy the source code, that emulator is in the clear.
Some modern emulators (ex. Ryujinx) don’t even need BIOS files (or whatever they’re called on Switch) to be able to run games. But they also don’t use Nintendo’s original code to run the game.
Take all this with a grain of salt. I’m saying it from memory.
Yes, I wasn’t trying to refute that. But Nintendo can still ruin your life fighting a losing battle if they wanted to. To me it’s just not worth the risk of putting your name on it.
doesn’t matter if they don’t know who you are, Nintendo can still offer you a ton of money to delete it. it wasn’t necessarily legal threats or I assume they would have sent the cease and desist to GitHub and gotten the repo removed first
I’ve always wondered that. Why not just throw a git repo behind I2P or onto IPFS? It’s like they want to be attacked.
Attention and recognition.
These asstards really hate fun.
The SWITCH, is my last Nintendo product I will own.
The Steam Deck is the last nintendo console I’ll need
I need to remind some people here who don’t seem to understand something.
Forks may be dead and development may not be as fast as the original.
However - you must think about the future and not the situation right now. Yuzu and Ryujinx sources will be invaluable information for people making emulators later down the line.
It’s a matter of when and not if someone picks it up again.
btw. Were they opensource?
Yes, both Yuzu and Ryujinx were open source.
Ryujinx is licensed under MIT and Yuzu is under GPLv3.
Agree. Was thinking exactly the same this afternoon. If there would be a new generational console evolution (like it happened from the Wii to the Switch), then the when would be much faster. However, since it seems Nintendo is going for a Switch 2, I am just sad that Switch emulators will be halted for several years :/
Yeah, this is dumb.
I own original hardware and buy 100% of my games but sometimes you just wanna run games that aren’t originally crossplatform on your Steamdeck for convenience, or on a PC with resolution upscaling, or for ease of streaming the gameplay, or tons of other legitimate reasons.
Nintendo has some great IP and gameplay, and I guarantee you their sales are not meaningfully hurt by people who pirate/emulate games. Those people were never their customers anyway. If anything the emulation community enabled streamers to boost the popularity of their games. (People like PointCrow did more for the sustained popularity of BOTW than all of Nintendo’s marketing efforts combined)
I’m one of those weirdos who actually dumps all my own games with my own modded launch Switch mainly for preservation purposes.
But then TotK came out and performed so poorly on the console itself, I exported my save to play on PC and Steam Deck. Every part of my Switch emulation journey has been legal and by-the-book: dumped my own firmware, my own keys, and my own games.
Fuck Nintendo for bullying these developers.
I own original hardware and buy 100% of my games but sometimes you just wanna run games that aren’t originally crossplatform on your Steamdeck for convenience, or on a PC with resolution upscaling, or for ease of streaming the gameplay, or tons of other legitimate reasons.
Can’t wait until our courts decide that, due to the prevalence of “remasters” that are just upscaled ROMs running on emulators, that this is no longer considered “fair use.”
I agree with you, but Nintendo’s sales are definitely hurt meaningfully by piracy. Over a million people downloaded TOTK when it leaked.
And I guarantee a lot, if not most, of those people didn’t even have Switches. If Nintendo had released a PC version they would have sold a ton more.
So what you’re saying is not only did they not buy a game, they also didn’t buy the system the game was developed for. So it definitely hurt Nintendo’s bottom line.
But that’s on Nintendo. For those people the game doesn’t cost $70, it costs $200+ even if they buy a used Switch lite. Nintendo is deliberately leveraging their games to make people buy their console when those people just want to buy the game.
They want to have their cake and eat it too, and that is most likely one of the biggest reasons people pirated TOTK.
leveraging their games to make people buy their console when those people just want to buy the game
That’s the whole point of exclusive titles and every console vendor does it.
Everybody doing it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a bad thing for customers and a reason for piracy.
No, because if they wanted a Switch, they would have bought one.
I was one of them but I also had my physical game pre-ordered so…
I would expect the people that bought a physical copy but pirated it anyway to be the minority, but we’ll never know.
A lot of people resort to emulation simply so they can play mods too.
That’s a perk of emulation, but it isn’t the reason why someone would pirate over purchasing it. People just want free shit, but they have a weird mental block in admitting it.
Those are two different situations.
There isn’t enough paying for shit that’s gonna make a mod run in an unmodified console. You can find people who have bought every single Pokémon game ever, and they still want to play romhacks and randomizers and such.
There’s something to be said about how willing people are to pay and whether they admit it or why. But sounds more like you don’t want to believe there’s any other reason to do it.
Yep, sure do.
keeps pirating
I’m now pretty sure we got our last Nintendo switch game. I’m not going to buy out kids anything Nintendo anymore. They are the most recent RIAA.
You were buying Switch games but because of something unrelated to your gaming and purchasing habits, you’re going to stop your unrelated behavior?
that is typically how boycotts work yes.
Nestle isn’t poisoning their bottled water but some people still refuse to buy it.
Yup
I don’t even have a single Nintendo or game of any sort. My kids got dupped by YouTube and so now it’s either cry or pay for that shit…a few years ago… Today though, they are old enough to get pissed at things. I shall explain what Nintendo is doing so that they make better choices in the future.
What doesn’t make sense though is why now all of a sudden? They were content to buy Nintendo games up until yesterday, but the Ryujinx takedown, which was amicably agreed upon between Nintendo and the devs, that was the final straw? This just screams disingenuous en vogue Nintendo bashing to me.
People refuse to buy Nestle products because Nestle is a wildly unethical company and its behavior directly affects which products are available to purchase. Nintendo protecting their IP, while sucking for pirates, doesn’t violate any known ethical principle. Apples and oranges.
Are you suggesting that no one is allowed to see Nintendo do a new bad thing and say “I’m no longer willing to give them my money”?
Not to mention there’s nothing ‘amicable’ about a massive corporation, infamous for their lawsuits, approaching a single programmer with a deal that is obviously the only way to avoid being sued, despite the fact that emulators are legal.
If someone purchases a Switch game they have every right to back it up and use an emulator to play it. Instead of strongarming these projects into submission, the ethical thing would be working with them to sell legal access to ROMs.
why now all of a sudden
It’s not new though, it has been happening for years. Selection bias might be skewing your view.
That was their point lol
This is arguably the tamest thing Nintendo has done recently, so it’s a weird final straw
I should have articulated my point better. I meant that this has been the “final straw” for some people for most of those steps along the way in the picture. If you look at the comments from then it’s often the same kind of thing you’re seeing right now. That’s why I mentioned selection bias, because there are actually lots of final straws happening over time, people just aren’t seeing those or weren’t around then.
I can’t wait until you kids grow up and realize you’re not entitled to everything.
Entitled? Nintendo didn’t produce this code nor did they make this, what exactly do you think is being demanded of Nintendo?
who said they where entitled to this. Nentendo is the one who is acting entitled, Netendo did not put in any work, employees at nentendo did, but they where not payed the full value of their labor. Copy right for ever and ever was only 20 years now its essentaly forever, no way for these to legaly enter the public domain.
Given the 2 sides I would say Nentendo, who has more money than god, is the entitled ones
I agree. We should realize the following:
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There are things we are not entitled to.
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There are things we are entitled to.
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There is Nintendo’s opinion on which is which.
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There’s someone else’s opinion on which is which.
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There’s law which should be a dignified compromise between these.
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The law may or may not be such a compromise.
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Our obligations before law mirror our rights.
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Our engagement with law mirrors our participation in forming it.
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We have been robbed of that ability and raise our voice where it matters.
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Hence Nintendo’s opinion and said law don’t matter shit.
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‘Free’ always tastes better. It’s my favourite word. Free. It’s free. For free. 0 dollars. Gratis. Free of cost. On the house. Never had buyers remorse from acquiring something for free
My second favourite is ‘Cheap’
Especially when the cheap or free service is better than the expensive service.
Ok Boomer
Is there still an alternative left for the switch?
Steam Deck.
Suyu is a fork of Yuzu: https://suyu.dev/
were they able to do some work on emulation already?
Suyu was mismanaged and died very quickly. Sudachi was excellent and has an Android build but the dev is taking a break.
Wow… I had a look at the commit history and it doesn’t seem like any actual development is taking place. Just changes and removal of text here and there.
Why put all this energy in to making a website and host a fork when you don’t do anything with it?
A major rewrite is pending. He stated this on his Twitter I think.
5 minutes of internet fame.
Both ryujinx and yuzu are open source, there are loads of forks
