It is confusing though. I’ve been at the store many times and saw something that at first glance looks like a meat product. I almost grab it, but then context clues make me start second guessing. Why is this here in the store, seems odd? What’s all this weird stuff next to it? So I look more closely at the package and see that it’s plant based.
I really don’t get it. If meat is so bad, why would vegetarians want stuff that looked and tried to taste like meat?
About 20 years ago when plant based “meat” was less common I accidentally bought some frozen hamburgers that were plant based. I figured since I already bought them I’d give it a try. It was awful. Maybe as it’s own thing it might have been ok, but if I’m expecting the taste of hamburger and get that… it’s gross. Having their own names might do them a favor in that area, as no one is going to be tricked into thinking that stuff is meat once they take a bit.
I really don’t get it. If meat is so bad, why would vegetarians want stuff that looked and tried to taste like meat?
Humans evolved to eat meat, but eating meat daily at the scale of 8 billion humans is destroying ecosystems and one of the worst contributors to carbon emissions.
Humans evolved to be smart, and have created more sustainable alternatives. This isn’t a black or white issue, you can use meat alternatives just sometimes, rather than all the time, and still make a difference
Side note, I love meat, and I highly recommend you try an Impossible burger. Cook it on a cast iron skillet exactly as the directions say, and I think you’ll be surprised how much better it is than other options
I’m ok with the idea of eating less meat, I just don’t like the idea of fake meat. I haven’t tried the impossible burger, it seems like an incredibly highly processed food. If I’m going to have a meal without meat, then it will be a meal without meat, rather that some frankenfood pretending to be meat.
There have been many times in the past when science claimed to create a new miracle food that was supposed to be so much better than the more natural alternative. I still remember when my mom got some margarine, because butter was deemed to be a food that would kill us all and margarine was the “good for you” alternative. She tried to melt it and couldn’t… not in the oven, not in boiling water. Fast-forward and that early margarine was really high in trans fats, which are now being banned all over the place.
Can you tell me your preferred brand of cola, or laundry detergent, or car, or laptop, or fucking whatever so I can copypasta your message back at you.
Meat tastes great but the way we get it is pretty fucked up and can’t be ethically justified. So of course vegetarians and vegans want to eat something that tastes like meat but doesn’t come from animals. I’m always surprised that so many meat eaters assume that most vegetarians and vegans don’t like the taste of meat.
This is more for people who aren’t vegetarians or vegans. The goal is to get people to eat less meat, so even if people don’t go fully vegan with these products it’s still a win.
Humans tend to kill animals much more humanely than any other animal
Debatable, based on my personal experiences. But even if we asume this is true, its not how we kill them but how we force them to live before killing them, thats immoral IMO
not all meat is factory farmed.
True, however, its estimated that 90% of all the meat we produce globally comes from factory farms.
If we eliminate factory farming, meat prices will go up, and as a result people will eat less of it. Of course at the same time there need to be better alternatives for people. It seems most places only have salads, and maybe pasta, as choices for meat free options. I don’t think replacing all the meat with fake meat is the best option.
I don’t see how animals’ behavior is relevant, here. We have morality and can understand the effects of our actions on other sentient beings. Most animals don’t and can’t. That’s how we can have obligations other animals don’t have.
I’m not pro-factory farming. I’m talking about at the end of life. We’re going to make it quick.
I’m not going to link any videos, as I’m sure no one wants to see them. But there are no shortage of videos of animals in the wild being killed by some of the big cats who eat them ass first, while they’re still alive. I don’t know about you, but I’d rather be killed by a quick jolt of electricity or something slicing an artery, then to just sit there helpless and awake while something starts eating me from the ass up. I was hoping to not have to get graphic, but here we are.
Note, that those slaughterhouse are usually on smaller scales, than what is considered factory-farming. Slaughtering is just a small part of the suffering anyways and cruelty does not strictly depend on scale. Where I’m from, southern Germany, last time I looked, half of the milk farmers tether their cows, affecting a quarter of the cows in that region. Those are your neighbourhood family-owned farms.
The easiest way to not support any of that cruelty to animals, is to avoid animal based products.
I don’t really like vegetables so I eat a lot of meat. I don’t particularly like meat harvesting practices, though. I’m really interested in substitutes and lab grown.
It is confusing though. I’ve been at the store many times and saw something that at first glance looks like a meat product. I almost grab it, but then context clues make me start second guessing. Why is this here in the store, seems odd? What’s all this weird stuff next to it? So I look more closely at the package and see that it’s plant based.
I really don’t get it. If meat is so bad, why would vegetarians want stuff that looked and tried to taste like meat?
About 20 years ago when plant based “meat” was less common I accidentally bought some frozen hamburgers that were plant based. I figured since I already bought them I’d give it a try. It was awful. Maybe as it’s own thing it might have been ok, but if I’m expecting the taste of hamburger and get that… it’s gross. Having their own names might do them a favor in that area, as no one is going to be tricked into thinking that stuff is meat once they take a bit.
Humans evolved to eat meat, but eating meat daily at the scale of 8 billion humans is destroying ecosystems and one of the worst contributors to carbon emissions.
Humans evolved to be smart, and have created more sustainable alternatives. This isn’t a black or white issue, you can use meat alternatives just sometimes, rather than all the time, and still make a difference
Side note, I love meat, and I highly recommend you try an Impossible burger. Cook it on a cast iron skillet exactly as the directions say, and I think you’ll be surprised how much better it is than other options
People who think going vegan means eating sad tofu all day havn’t been paying attention for the past 10 years
I’m ok with the idea of eating less meat, I just don’t like the idea of fake meat. I haven’t tried the impossible burger, it seems like an incredibly highly processed food. If I’m going to have a meal without meat, then it will be a meal without meat, rather that some frankenfood pretending to be meat.
There have been many times in the past when science claimed to create a new miracle food that was supposed to be so much better than the more natural alternative. I still remember when my mom got some margarine, because butter was deemed to be a food that would kill us all and margarine was the “good for you” alternative. She tried to melt it and couldn’t… not in the oven, not in boiling water. Fast-forward and that early margarine was really high in trans fats, which are now being banned all over the place.
Then this product isn’t for you. It’s for the rest who are more resistant and don’t share your views.
Can you tell me your preferred brand of cola, or laundry detergent, or car, or laptop, or fucking whatever so I can copypasta your message back at you.
Meat tastes great but the way we get it is pretty fucked up and can’t be ethically justified. So of course vegetarians and vegans want to eat something that tastes like meat but doesn’t come from animals. I’m always surprised that so many meat eaters assume that most vegetarians and vegans don’t like the taste of meat.
This is more for people who aren’t vegetarians or vegans. The goal is to get people to eat less meat, so even if people don’t go fully vegan with these products it’s still a win.
Humans tend to kill animals much more humanely than any other animal out there in the food chain, and not all meat is factory farmed.
Debatable, based on my personal experiences. But even if we asume this is true, its not how we kill them but how we force them to live before killing them, thats immoral IMO
True, however, its estimated that 90% of all the meat we produce globally comes from factory farms.
If we eliminate factory farming, meat prices will go up, and as a result people will eat less of it. Of course at the same time there need to be better alternatives for people. It seems most places only have salads, and maybe pasta, as choices for meat free options. I don’t think replacing all the meat with fake meat is the best option.
I don’t see how animals’ behavior is relevant, here. We have morality and can understand the effects of our actions on other sentient beings. Most animals don’t and can’t. That’s how we can have obligations other animals don’t have.
I’m not pro-factory farming. I’m talking about at the end of life. We’re going to make it quick.
I’m not going to link any videos, as I’m sure no one wants to see them. But there are no shortage of videos of animals in the wild being killed by some of the big cats who eat them ass first, while they’re still alive. I don’t know about you, but I’d rather be killed by a quick jolt of electricity or something slicing an artery, then to just sit there helpless and awake while something starts eating me from the ass up. I was hoping to not have to get graphic, but here we are.
There is no shortage of videos of how that quick jolt of electricity fails. Here are some examples: https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko?t=979
Note, that those slaughterhouse are usually on smaller scales, than what is considered factory-farming. Slaughtering is just a small part of the suffering anyways and cruelty does not strictly depend on scale. Where I’m from, southern Germany, last time I looked, half of the milk farmers tether their cows, affecting a quarter of the cows in that region. Those are your neighbourhood family-owned farms.
The easiest way to not support any of that cruelty to animals, is to avoid animal based products.
I agree that animals usually kill in way worse ways than us. But that doesn’t really excuse our behavior.
I don’t really like vegetables so I eat a lot of meat. I don’t particularly like meat harvesting practices, though. I’m really interested in substitutes and lab grown.