edit: i should make explicit. this meme is prodding at liberals humanizing the soldier of the 14th Waffen SS (1st Galicia) recently honoured in the canadian house of commons. this meme is showing off a ww2 ukrainian nazi unit in a fashion similarly done with the “brave soldiers of afghanistan” who would later become the taliban.
the joke is, we would eventually glorify and humanize them as well with enough time
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“okay but have you ever considered how bad the soviet union was?? Like im not a Nazi or anything but they did kinda have a reason to genocide Jews because a lot of soviet politicians were Jews and wanted to genocide Aryan Ukrainians to further spread the cancer of judeo-bolchevism.”
-Some lib on reddit who is definitely not a nazi sympathizer
“The Ukrainian Nazi SS divisions were defending themselves and their culture, their religion from the invaders like the Jews who took to communism because they were poor and jealous and wanted to legally have the wealth of the non-Jewish Ukrainians. You know people get caught up in the race science, but if you ignore that part, the Jews were still bad because they were poor and they wanted to steal wealth! Maybe the Germans and Nazi Ukrainians went too far, but can you blame them! Look at history you tankie! The Russians and Jewish communists did the same to the more “Aryan” types!”
You gotta smash up the obvious antisemitism and repackage it with more contemporary divisions. And toss in some “feels vaguely true” lies to the Americans (mostly, but westerners generally). Few people will openly state they “hate Jews” now days or that they equate Jews with Communism (probably few even know of the history of this equivalency based on how Jordan Peterson has been saying it, in slightly different wording, for like a decade now), but if you tell them some ethnic group is poor and wants their jobs? Well, suddenly border detentions, torture, and even some murder becomes easier to swallow. Different packaging for the same product… liberals love optics and they love defending fascism. Give them a shiny box to place all their terrible ideology in so they can pretend it’s justified and they’ll be plenty happy. I mean, just look at the fucking world.
This a top tier meme ngl.
Oof, Come and See was such a rough movie to watch. Important to watch, but rough.
City of Life and Death is a really difficult one too, but also important. WWII from the Chinese perspective.
Well now I have new plans for tonight. They’ll probably involve a bit of hugging my legs, rocking back and forth, and dry crying, but, plans.
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I have complicated feelings about this comrade 😅
On the one hand, great movie, and very valuable from multiple historical perspectives, ethical issues in its production (live ammunition, young actors) not withstanding.
On the other hand, potentially traumatizing if people aren’t expecting it.
On yet another hand, very funny if reactionaries were forced to watch it 😁
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Tankies simping for Russian nazis by parroting their bullshit rhetoric is just… ugh
These “Russian nazis”, are they in the room with us right now?
Remind me again, which side is whitewashing the SS?
I don’t know, which one is it? I’m not aware of any side actually painting the ss in a positive light, except for the imagination of Russians where the west is praising nazis all the time.
Assuming that’s what you meant with “whitewashing”, because that ain’t what it means
Where were you when the Canadian parliament gave an standing ovation to a member of the SS ?
They conveniently didn’t mention he was a SS, but a “veteran who fought for ukrainian independence against russian aggressors”. That’s literally what whitewashing is, to gloss over or cover up stuff, in this case being a SS member.
Its only “russian propaganda” because they got caught.
Was the entire collective Canadian parliament giving an SS soldier a standing ovation and raucous applause, followed by defending it, not “praising Nazis”?
The USA, Canada, and many of their allies fought to save as many Nazis from Nuremberg as they could. USA and Nazi Germany inspired each other. Nazi officers, generals, scientists, politicians, and others were given intense PR rehabilitation and integrated into Western society; many were immediately given their old positions back in Western Germany.
The USA and its allies supported fascism over and over and over again in the Middle East, Latin America, Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe. Even in Western Europe, they set forth with Operation Gladio where Neo Nazi paramilitaries would be funneled weapons and arms, ready to strike and kill civilians should the peoples of Europe rise against their ruling classes.
Twice in recent years, the UN has proposed legislation to “combat Nazism/Neo Nazism and its glorification.” Each time, the USA and Ukraine were the only ones who voted “no,” and the only ones who abstained from voting were the rest of the US’s allies.
I’m sorry my friend but if you live in the West, you live as a part of a Nazi Empire. We were committing industrial genocide before the Nazis were shitting diapers.
excerpt context: after the UA government had decided to add to the list the 110th birthday of nazi collaborator bandera to the list of days worthy of commemoration.
“Glorifying the person whose men committed countless heinous crimes is an insult to the victims and an unthinkable distortion of the history of the world’s most horrific genocide," said Dr. Zuroff.
“Unfortunately in recent years, Ukraine has been one of the major propagators of a distorted version of Holocaust history which seeks to hide or minimize crimes committed by Ukrainian nationalists,” he added.
Weitzman added, "It is clear that Ukraine is choosing to rehabilitate antisemitism and to censor history.” He noted that, along with the Bandera national holiday, the Ukrainian region of Lviv announced that 2019 would be “Stepan Bandera Year” and that a book exploring the antisemitic actions of politician Simon Petlura, who led 1919 pogroms against Jews, was banned.
“By joining with other countries that are rewriting history Ukraine is showing how little it has learned from the tragedies of the past. These actions are a disgraceful affirmation of Ukraine’s darkest past and an absolute rejection of democratic values,” Weitzman concluded.
mind you there are streets named him. You aren’t even slightly suspicious that maybe the narrative we’re being told on MSM is fabricated?
Presumably both Dr. Efraim Zuroff and Mark Weitzman are ‘Russian trolls’.
Looking at the blinding speed of nazi normalisation in the west, soon they will be called “judeobolsheviks”
