This post is like Tommy Wiseau’s The Room: so convoluted and stupid, but I can just barely understand what’s being said. I can’t feign ignorance and say I don’t understand a single word they’re saying. But to say that I get where they’re coming from or that their points have any relevance or connection with the other shit they present is even more false. 1/10 post by the Lib, do better, get your narratives straight and stick to it
I’m glad it wasn’t just me–I kept staring at it trying to figure out what they were going on about.
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Imagine an FSB agent going to a bombed out village in subsaharan Africa, from which UN forces just bloody expelled ISIS fighters, and that agent trying to convince the villages to all get up and move to Britain because Russia wants them too.
Afaik ISIS has never been active in subsaharan Africa
ISIS has had a strong presence in Central and Northern Africa, and along with this article, off the top of my head I can say that there is a current UN multinational operation that is still fighting encircled remnant ISIS forces in Mali, Niger, Nigeria, and Mozambique.
Quote, “As of 2022, most of IS’s African territory is confined to northeastern Nigeria and northern Mozambique, alongside large swathes of eastern Mali.”
This is from 2015:
https://www.iiss.org/en/publications/strategic-comments/2015/isis-in-africa/
The last sentence is such a mask off, liberals are barely hiding their tinfoil hat thinking and the fact that they hate immigrants as much as the far right.
They do?
Anti-immigration comes in part from , which is not a liberal view. Opposing immigration from non-white countries while accepting immigrants from white countries is racism, and that’s usually more associated with conservatives talking exclusively about Mexicans.
that’s usually more associated with conservatives talking exclusively about Mexicans
Well since you mentionned Mexicans I suppose you’re basing your analysis on US politics rather than specifically EU politics is that right? I agree that it is imperial core in both cases but there are a few nuances.
In my experience with French politics, anti-Muslim / anti-Arab sentiment (a lot more prevalent since our immigrants are from the African continent) can be found all over the political spectrum, including social-democrats and self-proclaimed Communists.
The US Democratic Party might do more posturing, even with the Biden administration quietly pursuing Trumps policies. But in the end my point is that they have the same foundational racism that is linked to the material basis of the development of capitalism in the global north, settlers colonialism and genocide for the US and massive colonial empires for the EU
You are correct. As a typical American, I had forgotten that the rest of the world existed.
Although it’s worth mentioning that on a global stage, American “liberal” isn’t saying much. Both our major parties are pretty conservative, our “conservative” party just says the quiet parts out loud and copies their agenda out of ancient poetry.
Conservatives are liberals, too. I read the top comment in this thread as distinguishing between the far right (fascist or fascist-adjacent, some of whom pose as or are conservatives) and liberals (conservatives, ‘progressives’, radlibs, and all the radical tendencies that talk about revolution but whose actions reveal them as liberals).
So in the US, that both parties appear to be conservative is because they’re both liberal parties. (For now. They both have cryptos and far right members who will be leading the charge to fascism when it comes to it if we’re not already there.)
Everything I don’t like is Russian
I’m not gonna lie, with all respect, statements like this about “the Western libs and left” by grouping the left with the libs make me cringe every single time. The actual Western left, those that didn’t sell their soul to attract libs, all are anti-war, anti-NATO and don’t fall into this idiotic and xenophobic conspiracy theories. Just say libs, the description fits them all.
I understand the dislike against some of this so called “leftists” from the West, but let’s please not fall into the mistake of feeding this narrative that only helps the right wing opportunists and their rhetorics that the left is not a solution in the Western world.
Ngl, after KKE declaring Russia is imperialist and China too I have little hope for EU left. Yes, Die linke is somewhat good but they didn’t go to Donbass and met the Russians there…also there is a great division regarding Russia. Even Clare daly and Mike didn’t speak about the Ukrainian atrocities. What did Jeremy Corbyn do? Has justified the sanctions against Putin and Russia previously because of Navalny.
I agree with you about a lot of those cases, I might be biased because I’m a Portuguese communist. The PCP has been done all those things (defend China, North Korea, go hard against the war, sending more military armament and sanctions) and got absolutely rammed by the media for being vocal about the conflict. There was literally a PCP delegate in the Donetsk election. The party was labeled as pro-Putin (which we’re not and will never be), party buildings got vandalized and militants got death threats and aggression. Hell, now that people forgot that war and we’re regaining strength, the media is still trying to make defamatory bullshit in an attempt to hurt the party.
The KKE is not an example for any decent communist party with their brand of eurocommunism that spread into a lot of major left parties in Europe. Should they define what is the Western left? Fuck no. Do they invalidate the existing Western parties and comrades that are fighting for the right cause? Fuck no!
About Clare Daly, google “Clare Daly Ukraine” see what shows up. Could they go further? Definitely, but I definitely understand why they don’t in a continent where going further than that will get you labeled as a putinist, in favor of an alleged “genocide” and even get you in legal trouble in some places. The propaganda is extremely strong and, in my opinion, the best way we can recruit is to present it all in an agreeable digestible manner and give the people the tools to understand it all.
Now about Corbyn, why should we care what he says or not? He’s a so called social democrat, I don’t expect anything else from him.
I completely agree with you there’s a lot of bad apples in the mainstream Western left, I absolutely hate them as much as you do. That should not invalidate or discourage others that are trying to make a difference. And it definitely feels unjust to be lumped in the same bag as eurocommunism and leftlibs as the definition of the “Western left”. We’re as much the definition of “Western left” as any of those Corbyns and Melenchons of Europe.
I really appreciate this exposition, especially on the PCP
What’s KKE?
Communist Party of Greece.
the Kremlin is behind mass immigration to the EU
It can’t be the wars and poverty created by unequal exchange baked into the EU’s trade system, it must be the guys who are about as physically far away from where the immigrants are coming from as it’s possible to be.
I can’t believe the Russians gave me a tummy ache 😞
I don’t know how many rubles I’d demand for voluntarily throwing away a quiet life to go on a Russian mission crossing the Mediterranean sea in a rowing boat, populate an abandoned Polish gym hall with like a thousand other migrants, and then live on subsidies in an area full of nazis; but it would not be a sum that the Kremlin could feasibly offer
Damn
Jewish bolsheviksRussian interference threatening European whiteness. Same shit new century.“Pekka Kallioniemi is a postdoctoral research fellow at the Tampere University and a social media expert.”
For once I get to do the “muh taxpayer money” meme
Pekka is a guy whose job is doxxing people. so no shit, he is an asshole.
He should go back to clash of clans and stay outta politics
Got to the last sentence and holy shit
Russia shit my pants
I get blaming Russia for most things, but immigration? Really?
I figured it out that’s a popular trope in Poland and liberal EU .
The irony here is that the USSR actually took in refugees that Europe and the US wouldn’t and otherwise allowed for a lot of immigration. If you were from Africa and you wanted to become a doctor before 2000 or so, you went to Russia.
Yes, indeed. Ask Finland. They had increasing numbers of illegal immigrants all without passports crossing over from Russia in recent weeks. They are now tightening down security on that border.
If you believe those immigrants from Asia and Middle East just took a wrong turn and somehow marched all across Russia without any papers just to accidentally end up in Finland, I’ve got a bridge to sell to you.
Those are…Russians…crossing into Finland.
And it is not because of Russophobia and NATO slavery of Finland? Are you sure?
They had increasing numbers of illegal immigrants all without passports crossing over from Russia in recent weeks.
I just checked the “increasing numbers” and it turns out it’s a couple hundred people at most. You’re really being a baby about this. Is it also Russia’s fault when you stub your toe in the morning?
“Russia is making me hate immigrants by sending asiatics to the blessed Nordic.”
Is it still “Russophobia” when Russia really is the problem?
Truly Finland’s #1 problem, illegal aliens from Kazakhstan!
Or you’re racist shithead and it doesn’t matter what Russia or anyone actually does. Your politics is merely a set of vibes-based trivia that appeal to your prejudices.
It’s still racism to talk about illegal immigrants. It’s Russophobic to blame Russia for being racist.
It’s still racism to talk about illegal immigrants
I’d probably word this as “it’s racism to make a boogeyman out of illegal immigrants” or something. Obviously just referring to them as a group is analytically helpful in a number of situations
But he is talking about Geert Wilders and his anti immigration stance, saying the massive waves are Russia’s responsibility. There are near 0 immigrants in The Netherlands coming from Russia. So is Russia also responsible for the Arab and African refugees that are coming to The Netherlands? For the Polish and Bulgarian and Romanian labour immigrants?
Okay Aaron Sorkin
