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    Trump has tarnished the office of the President of the United States. Worst President in the history of the nation.

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          “All” it takes is for people to get tired of it and have a massive strike.

          Unfortunately, it’s really difficult due to a dystopian mixture of:

          • elite-owned and operated media

          • a “golden era” of distractions (phones, movies, television shows, video games) (see above)

          • overwork and exhaustion

          • struggle to survive and make ends meet

          • warranted desire for a quiet life for one’s children

          • fear

          • general negativity and toxic stances from one person to another

          • dramatic lack of funding and support for mental healthcare

          • abysmal lack of funding and support for healthcare. period.

          • Massive amount of debt and lack of financial freedom

          • lack of bodily autonomy and a safety net for unplanned pregnancies

          • failure of making people of other genders, cultures, and beliefs feel safe, instead threatening and taking their lives

          plus many other things. I tend to be generally positive and optimistic, and I’m very hopeful that we, the people, will change things incrementally… but it’s also hard to ignore how shit things are right now.

          Let’s just remember that it wasn’t a single person or party that got us here. It’s been decades of systemic failures choices by the ruling class, from people far beyond party lines, behind closed doors. Lobbyism is bipartisan, at least as far as some of the most powerful people in Congress go. Those failures choices led to the rise of fake populism in the form of Trumpism, and other equally disturbing movements.

          At the end of the day, I personally don’t think anything is going to happen for us. Instead, the people at large need to decide that they’re ready for it. I’m hopeful that it’s going to happen, but it won’t be easy.

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            Nah, it’s going to take more than a strike. It’s going to take something happening on Wall Street that gets you banned from forums for talking about.

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              You way underestimate the power of striking in the US. Nationwide strike. I couldn’t imagine a week long strike. The impact to the economy would be staggering. Any longer then that you’re talking ending the US dollar.

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                You way underestimate the power of striking in the US. Nationwide strike. I couldn’t imagine a week long strike.

                I remember how quickly and enthusiastically centrist Democrats simped for rail bosses. Like, I bet at least one of them won’t read past that first sentence before dropping at least one long paragraph of condescension.

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                I think a combination of the auto workers and delivery drivers striking would probably do it. And the teachers. Society would collapse.

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              I really hope not. I fear that any violence will only doom us to prolong the mass hatred and suffering going on right now.

              Realistically, historically, and regrettably, you may be right.

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            Trumpism is straight up populism. It’s the same shit as the Know-Nothing Party, almost literally.

            You’re parroting populist shit right now. Populism is a cancer.

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              I’m not a political science major, local politician… hell, I’m not even a political activist as much as I’d love to convince myself that I am. I’m a multiracial guy from two immigrants who was raised in a melting pot of a city, being told my whole childhoold that I live in the greatest country in the world and I can never question it.

              From a quick search, populism is a political doctrine that supports the rights and powers of the common people in their struggle with the privileged elite. From my interpretation of the definition, Trumpism is not populism, but capitalism under the guise of populism. That being said, at the end of the day, I prefer to use as little labels as possible (politician names, political parties, ideologies, etc). Everyone has their own interpretation, experiences, biases, and understanding of such labels. It feels almost self-defeating to discuss politics using labels instead of discussing the actual issues, at least to me.

              If you don’t mind, I’d rather discuss the core problem: Trump was able to exploit the working-class people who have, for whatever reason, felt disillusioned by both parties. It was a ruse that many people saw through, but many also did not. In the past few decades, wealth has been further distributed to those few that control most media, corporations, and legislation. The minimum wage has remained the same despite the massive increase in the cost of living. More and more people are feeling less and less fulfilled. More and more people are less and less likely to be able to retire. I can go on and on. That has been a slow, persisting threat that has spread throughout several administrations representing both parties.

              Whatever you choose to call my beliefs is on you, I’m simply offering my perspective to anyone who’s interested in listening. I’m just a random guy who doesn’t mean shit compared to the people in charge and sees the silent suffering of the people around me that I love and care about. And the people who I don’t know that are going through the same exact shit. Maybe all this is just my way of coping with the chaos of the world, but to me, it feels like more people agree than we’re led to believe.

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                Spot on!

                Labels are a big problem and are imo related to the issue of echo chambers online. Along with memes that vilify other outside viewpoints.

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                  I completely agree with every single one of your points. At the same time… some of the memes are fucking hilarious when not taken seriously. It’s extremely difficult not to take it as such, though, with a topic as inherently severe as politics.

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                Populism is the mass appeal of demagogues involving simplistic, faceless enemies and equally simplistic solutions to problems. It is not evidence-based and it’s policies are often counter productive.

                Populism is a cancer and politicians that use populist rhetoric should be considered inherently untrustworthy.

                Problems do exist and the solutions to those problems should be found in sound, evidence-based policies, not conspiracy theories about global elites.

                Everyone one of your complaints, for instance, is reflective of a real concept but is inherently misleading to more effectively appeal to people like you, who are self-identifying as not very knowledgeable about policy. I am not being mean here - this is an intentional tactic, and it is a very real concept.

                Let’s take an example: “the minimum wage has not gone up.”

                This is misleading for several reasons

                1: state minimum wage has absolutely gone up in very many states, and exceeds the federal.minimum

                https://www.epi.org/minimum-wage-tracker/

                As you check that (progressive, pro-$15 minimum wage) site, you’ll also note that 28 states have raised their minimum wage recently, 30 states + DC have a min wage higher than federal minimum, and 8 states effectively have no minimum wage.

                2: 98.5% of working adults do not make minimum wage.

                https://www.zippia.com/advice/minimum-wage-statistics/#:~:text=What percentage of Americans make,make the federal minimum wage.

                So what’s the real reason here? It’s obviously not a minimum wage concern. The real reason is simple: most Americans feel economically left behind.

                Only by addressing this actual fact, and debating and discussing policies about this thing both parties and most Americans can agree on, can we move away from dangerous, divisive rhetoric and back toward actual policy discussion.

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                If you’d like I’d be happy to do this about all of your concerns, but it would make an extremely long post even longer so I didn’t do it all at once.

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            This mindset and Trumpism are two sides of the same populist coin. It may be tempting, but beware the populist-fascist pipeline, lest you end up a left-wing magat.

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              Personally, I believe this is a fairly big reason as to why the majority of people are disillusioned with politics and would rather not discuss it. I mean no offense to you or your comment. Truly, I only mean that in the grand scheme of things, your reply has many words that don’t address any substantial problems.

              Surely wanting an equally free, comfortable, and good quality of life for as many as possible while using empirical data is not the same as spreading hate and disinformation?

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          If it makes you feel any better, the nation probably wouldn’t survive a president much worse than Trump. Can’t have a “history of the nation” anymore if there’s no nation!

          "roll safe" meme

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          Certainly a strong contender for that title.

          Really just depends on the metric we’re using to evaluate. When if we’re talking body count, don’t forget that Trump ran a smear campaign against the voices of reason during the peak of covid, and promoting general distrust in health sciences - the influence of which spread across the entire globe, resulting in the deaths of millions.

          They both have a justifiable claim to “worst president to date”.

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            The child separation policy he was behind at the southern border is within the Geneva Convention’s definition of genocide: “Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.” The children were taken from their parents with no intention of returning them, many were adopted by American families when their own parents “couldn’t be found” because there was no system put in place to do so.

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              Uggghhhhhh… I was so angry at everyone that whole time this was going on. The “just asking questions” guys at my job couldn’t understand why I was so enraged that America(!) Was taking children from parents who were peacefully trying to make a better life for themselves.

              “But it’s illegal to cross the border!”… Bro shut the fuck up before I feed you a monkey wrench.

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                It’s also illegal to speed but 95% of drivers are actively speeding at any time. It’s so dumb, they act like they give a shit about laws and then cnn or some other garbage institution takes them seriously.

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              Within the definition, but Jackson was actively murdering indigenous Americans and wiping their nations from the face of the Earth. I would still call that worse, as horrific as Trump’s administration was.

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      In his defence the average POTUS has been charged with two felonies

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      Worst so far. If another Republican gets into office, they’re likely to be just as evil but probably smarter.

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      Worse than the guy who got hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed in an unjustified war? Or the guy that started the trail of tears?

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        I’ll agree that Andrew Jackson is probably still worse than Trump for literally committing genocide against the native peoples who were forced from their ancestral land. That being said, Trump disrespecting the peaceful transference of power for the first time in the nation’s history is a massive blemish on our country, and he should not be remembered fondly by anybody.

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              This is a huge problem. Everyone just jokes about it because he failed miserably, but it literally would’ve been a coup on the White House of the United States if those idiots succeeded.

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                  The officers that mislead some of the raiders did an amazing job. And they are heroes, but that wouldn’t have mattered anything if Trump had had some sort of lieutenant leading the group.

                  All that those raiders lacked was a leader telling them to kill the politicians and senators in the Senate building and there may not have been any survivors.

                  I remember seeing the videos and all of the pictures were they’re just sitting around and exploring, kicking their feet up in a senator’s chair and stopping for photo ops.

                  They didn’t know what to do once they got there, and that was the primary thing that saved us, however, if we keep relying on the stupidity of evil to save us then eventually there’s going to be a smart evil person who fucks us over hard.

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                  Yeah and if just a few people thwarted your insurrection on an entire government then your coup failed miserably.

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          You can also add in the fact that Trump’s downplaying of COVID, and subsequent politicizing of prevention measures was unquestionably responsible for huge numbers of deaths.

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            Reports state that 40% less Americans would die, if he didn’t politicize it.

            Frankly, if he took it as seriously as other presidents (on both sides) did with other epidemics and sent experts to help contain it. It is possible that we could talk about it as yet another media scare.

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          Andrew Johnson was pretty terrible as well, conceded a lot during reconstruction to the southern land owners which had a lasting negative impact on so many. Coolidge and Truman were pretty terrible as well, and Taft is like low hanging fruit. Nixon wasn’t that bad in office relatively speaking but is only known for Watergate now.

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              The last 3 missions, but public opinion had turned at that point.

              I’m not defending Nixon at all, but I don’t know if any other POTUS wouldn’t have done the same.

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                The last 3 scheduled missions there was no telling what could have happened next. He was also presented with a solid plan to go to Mars within a decade and took a pass on it for tax cuts for the rich.

                As for public opinion polls please cite sources and good luck with that since polls were no where collected as frequently. The truth is within a few months of Apollo 11 he has already taken down the earth rising photo from the Oval office and he had tried to cancel the program completely when he took office but his hand was forced by Apollo 9.

                He tried to kill it fully and failed, out of spite he killed it when he could. Nixon never forgave anyone, he had an enemy list, he went after almost small town journalists who wrote slightly bad about him multiple years prior. For him to sit there and just allow the legacy of a man who beat him to continue would have torn him apart. Like everyone GOP leader since, he breaks what he could have never hoped to have built or even inspired.

                The smart thing would have been to continue the program with more ambitious missions on the surface. All the rocket people could have been redirected to start working on small reusable rockets instead of the space plane. The mission to Mars had too much project risk so hold off on that for a while.

                Fuck Nixon

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              I think the worst things about Nixon was his role implementing American foreign policy when it came to anti-communism and his “drug war” policies. The best could be the things he didn’t personally care about as much, he started the first affirmative action program, was too slow with desegregation but did support civil rights and the overall moral goal of it, and he implemented some tax cuts that benefitted working class.

              Apollo would be a more minor bad for me, it didn’t really do much to benefit average people other than serve as a symbol of America’s power and the next frontier. I think there’s a lot of nostalgia for some of these programs today but they were always sort of funded to be demonstrations of America’s power, if the Soviets weren’t interested in space they probably wouldn’t have happened. A byproduct of Apollo was public funding of technology which is great, but a lot of that also benefits the military industrial complex and America’s imperialism, so it’s not this happy story that it’s often portrayed as like “we have small computers because of Apollo!”

              We’re talking about people who are narcissists and psychopaths running an empire though, they’re all evil.

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          I mean, at least Jackson accomplished some good for America.

          The best thing Trump did in his entire term for America was undoing one of the other bad things that he had done.

          The guy is at best a bumbling oaf given a billion dollars and an ego to match.

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        To be fair, I don’t think Trump would do any differently.

        Trump was willing to destroy his own country and get his own people fucked in the process. What thought do you think he’d spare for civilisations he’d consider ‘others’?

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        A Million Americans died from an inept and purposefully sandbagged COVID pandemic response, so … worse, by ordinates

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        It is easier to talk like that, because his election stunt didn’t succeeded, but US (as it was created by founding fathers) almost ceased to exist. Also, don’t forget that he had his own share in people’s deaths.

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          As a person living in an allied state of the US: It did cease to exist as a stable partner. The US is currently an incredibly unstable powder keg, and as sad as it is, we have to start splitting off and dealing with you as a potential enemy nation until you guys have this Trump shit under control.

          It’s not possible to have a stable partnership if the people who try to overthrow the government can once again run for government.

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          You can’t tarnish something that is already tarnished…

          What’s next rusting something that’s already rusty? Wetting water? Dirtying dirt?

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          Oh I’m anti-Trump.

          I just hate the idea Americans had that before him they were good and it’s all Trumps fault that the world laughs at them.

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            My issue is that Obama’s presidency gave us on the left the idea that things could actually get better.

            Like for many of us, myself included, there was this idea of a hopeful optimistic future where Americans didn’t care what your gender was or what your sexuality was or what your politics were as long as you were trying to be a decent person you were okay.

            And in the seven years since Trump was elected that hope has been utterly demolished and now we’re just hoping that people can get their heads out of their asses long enough to like not destroy the planet before our potential children have to grow up in its wreckage.

            It boils my beans that all Trump had to do was be a do-nothing president, go out and shake a few babies and then grift to his heart’s content, and after 4 years pack it up and go home and take all the silver on his way out the door, and there would still be the possibility of things getting better but he just had to run his mouth, he had to get on social media, he had to incite people to violence and rage to make himself happy and now this is where we are.

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        As an outsider- previous presidents may have had some questionable policies. Trump took the office of president and made it a laughing-stock

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    Here’s the arrest list so far. One more big one to add today; can’t wait to edit this list.

    Edit below! Editorial: These new numbers do not seem credible.

    Cathy Latham, 5’2" 155 lbs

    Scott Hall, 6’0" 235 lbs

    John Eastman, 5’7" 160 lbs

    David Shafer, 5’5" 150 lbs

    Kenneth Chesebro, 5’11" 185 lbs

    Ray Stallings Smith III, 5’11" 195 lbs

    Rudolph Giuliani, 5’11" 230 lbs

    Sidney Powell, 6’0" 170 lbs

    Jenna Ellis, 5’7" 130 lbs

    Mark Meadows, 6’1" 240 lbs

    Harrison Floyd, 5’11" 210 lbs

    Donald Trump, 6’3 215 lbs

    7 8 more traitors to go, less than 24 hours left

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    In and out in 20 minutes… is this the two tiered justice system he constantly whines about?

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    Mugshot has apparently been released

    edit: nevermind seems it’s fake

    edit2: a much more realistic (same style, same tie) photo has been making the rounds on twitter. Note the missing logo however:

    edit3:

    official mugshot (same as in edit2), has been confirmed by CNN:

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    Can’t wait for the day when he violates the parole conditions. This asshole simply cannot keep his trap shut, but (hopefully) this will have real consequences for the first time in his sordid life.

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    To all of those people who said this day would never come: I hope we can all celebrate justice being served.

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      I’d guess 251 is still low, depending on whether he has any muscle in there at all.

      If it’s entirely skinny-fat maaaaaybe he’s under 260.

      Source: former 6’2" 290# dude.

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      Reportedly 3 inches taller than I am, and only 10lbs heavier. But he probably couldn’t stretch one of my shirts enough to even get it over his moobs.

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    Trump was seen descending the stairs of his private plane, signaling a “thumbs up” after landing in Atlanta.

    He climbed into a motorcade headed to the Fulton County Jail for his booking.

    Anyone rider find these play by play updates kind of weird?

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      I read an article yesterday that said his team is absolutely loving all the media he’s getting. There’s helicopters following him everywhere, people are talking about everything he does.

      It’s feeding his ego like a box of bigmacs.