Maybe at 80% - 20% ratio
What do you think about it?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
That being said, a double blind test of cis men to see if they can identify transsexual women, would be interesting. But nobody would fund that
From my personal experience, I haven’t had any issues confusing xx vs XY women. Friends have tricked me a few times, but only in staged photos, never in person. (You know the friend, shows you a picture says isn’t she beautiful! They’re just waiting for you to agree and then to tell you the photo is of a transsexual). There are some XX women, I’m not sure if are XX or XY. For me, I think with a 99.9% certainty, I can tell you an XY woman is XY. But with 93% certainty I can tell you an XX woman is XX.
As far as the markers for femininity go, XY women because they’re adapting, tend to overuse the signals. And go more feminine. Super stimulus theory
In the end, it doesn’t matter, if you’re happy you’re happy, if you find a partner you find attractive great they’re attractive. Don’t overthink it
Yeah I have been tricked a few times too by some comrades, I believe it depends on how much observant you are of the details.
I am not the kind of guy who overthink too much, just trying to make a point into an unpopular opinion but apparently it’s not an unpopular opinion but straight shitpost.
It is a straight shit post. This post and your other posts are clearly trolling.
You’re trying to get an outsized emotional reaction from people. That’s not an unpopular opinion. That’s just being childish.
But I’m glad you realize it, and hopefully you will find joy in doing things other than invoking outrage in other people
That I disagree with you. I do not like women that have thick lips, large breast/ass, muscles, tons of makeup, “pointy” faces, oh and I hate this retarded look: example googling “pretty woman”. All that applies to a lot of woman/people, they focus so much on their looks.
I appreciate your POV mate fair to dissent about it. 👍👍
I think you have confused Unpopular Opinion with a shitpost community.
Maybe sounds like shitposting but as I am actually a cis man and I like feminine women I usually(80% - 20%) get confused about trans women on dating apps, for me they seem in the majority of cases more feminine and physical attractive than bilogical women, I am not interested in trans women anyway but just my feeling about it.
Then you should have worded it as your opinion instead of projecting onto men in general in a fairly obvious attempt to stroke an emotional reaction.
IDK. I saw that this was an unpopular opinion and did not feel personally attacked here.
Sure, I feel they are wrong. Mostly because they are including men in general in this opinion. They are not stating a fact, just an opinion they feel is unpopular.
It would be better though if they were to state the opinion without attempting to speak for all men.
Forgotten to state cis men, fixed now.
Lol, now you are trolling.
What in the actual fuck? LMAO…
Their phrasing is even worse than just generalizing. They worded it as the woman’s attractiveness changes based on men, instead of saying that men are less attracted to a woman after finding out they are trans.
The most favorable reading would be “Men are less attracted to trans women after finding out they are trans” which I don’t think is even unpopular. People frequently find actors and actresses less attractive when they find out their natural hair color doesn’t match their on screen look, and that’s just hair color! People frequently find people less attractive when their expectations and assumptions aren’t met, and people have expectations and assumptions hammered into them by society for their entire lives.
I was willing to cut them slack. Originally thought that that maybe they misworded it, or just over generalized.
Obviously, saying all x feel this way is inflammatory, regardless of the crowd. Targeting the statement at cis men after being informed they are not the global spokesperson is not helpful.
Yeah I should stated it definetly not my intention to generalize, apparently I’m wrong about finding feminity as something attractive.
Your reading comprehension sucks if you think that is what people are posting.
To be fair, ppl been shitposting here all day today
It’d be very difficult to quantify, so all I can say is my personal opinion… I have seen many marvellously beautiful trans women and have 0 issue saying I find one beautiful. Hell, I’m not even slightly attracted to men and there are many I can definitely say are beautiful people. I wouldn’t mind dating a trans woman at all, if it clicked and I found her attractive (my wife might disagree though lol). But I don’t know how most even could look more feminine. In the end, they still are women that were born in a man’s body, and most men’s bodies are, well… relatively masculine. Gender-affirming surgery can help for sure, but many don’t want to (and don’t have to!) go through all that.
Yeah as a man, saying you find trans women attractive beside you wouldn’t have(in my case) a relationship with one it’s generally a taboo at least in my society, usually people are in extreme sides, you are gay or you are cis, there is no middle point.
I can perfectly be friend of a trans(male or female) person but for me they are not relationship material.
Yeah as a man, saying you find trans women attractive beside you wouldn’t have(in my case) a relationship with one it’s generally a taboo at least in my society, usually people are in extreme sides, you are gay or you are cis, there is no middle point.
It’s indeed pretty taboo in some sense, even here in Canada lol. Doesn’t make it true though, sexual orientation being mostly a spectrum. I don’t have anything to back it up, but I strongly believe most people who say they’re “100% straight” are mostly repressing the non-zero part of themselves that could maybe be a tiny little bit gay, even if it’s like 0.01% lol
I can perfectly be friend of a trans(male or female) person but for me they are not relationship material.
Preferences are always okay.
I believe being attracted to trans women isn’t gay at all, I mean for me they are women, but definitely not an option to have a romantic relationship maybe I give it too much importance to reproductive matters and maybe I shouldn’t, tbh at the same time I believe too nowadays isn’t a very good idea to have children.
I am not in a point where I would feel comfortable looking at a penis or at least turned on by it.
I believe you are a chill dude mate 👍👍. Thx for your opinion I liked it 👍👍
Yeah that’s fair. If you’re looking for reproductive capacity, you’re indeed going to have a bad time sticking with trans women lol
IMHO for kids it’s as good and bad a time as any. Safer overall in most countries, children work less, mostly have a childhood, decent-ish education mostly, … but social media is solidly fucking them up. I thought my (33) generation was fucked by having access to the internet and knowing more about it than most of their parents way too early. IMHO, it’s nothing compared to them being practically raised to be chronically online. Ah, and the impending sense of doom from the contemporary ecological disaster we’re living in isn’t helping either. I also understand that not everyone thinks this way, it’s perfectly okay not to have kids. As a dad of 2, I wouldn’t wish it on someone who didn’t want it lol
Cocks don’t turn me on either, I find them very ugly to be honest, but I’m then thinking… Do we have to find every single thing about our partners attractive? Could the right person make me overlook a penis? Maybe? Again I’m married and have been with my wife for so long that it’s all very distant hypotheticals lol
This is really well put. I don’t have much to say other than the fact that you’ve worded this better than almost every other comment with the same message that I’ve ever seen.
I’ll take this as a compliment, especially since English is my second language haha!
Damm bro, your English it’s very good, it’s my second lang too but definitely I am not good at it.
I guess working full time in English for the last 4 years helps haha
No, you can almost always tell when someone isn’t a biologically women.
Given how often I see people mistake cis women for cis men, I’m quite skeptical of most people’s ability to tell the gender of even cis men and cis women. And given how much more common cis people are than trans people, there’s gonna be a lot of “false positives” with even a small error rate.
I don’t know that it holds true for me, but then I’m not out and about and hitting on women as I’m older.
But if there’s something there I’d say it’s because women are often just trying to be and trans women are often trying to express their femininity.
Maybe a bit added in that a lot of women are consistently the target of attention and some others might be more receptive to the same attention and unused to getting it.
TBH I like feminine women, so I usually get cheated about trans women looking more feminine and good looking than biological women. I thought this was something the majority of men suffer but apparently I’m wrong.
Suffering is a strong word. Struggle with, maybe.
But I’d say every man should just take a deep breath and message/chat or move on.
It doesn’t speak to your moral character to go with your preferences - only when your preferences become the problem you project onto the person you think is attractive.
I’m going to assume that OP and most people posting here know the difference between trans and drag. Some drag queens are trans, most are LGBT, some are straight. But trans women are women.
Trans persons - at least many of them - mostly want to pass and have their identity accepted. This goes for trans men and trans women. And most people would like to be seen as attractive.
The truth is though that you might just be into trans women. There’s nothing wrong with that per se, but the community is generally aware of and quite wary of “chasers.” Those are people that fetishize trans persons.
The difference between being attracted to trans women and being a chaser is whether you see the person as an individual or as a class. Think about white guys who are really into Asian women or black men. In the one hand, it’s fine to have different tastes and perceptions of beauty. The fetishization occurs when the individuality of the person becomes less important than the fetishized quality.
There’s also the probability that OP is fixating on the sort of hyperfeminine transwomen that are often quite prominent on social media, when in fact there are many transwomen flying under the radar. I would guess that OP is attracted to lavish displays of femininity, and you can find a lot of those in the social media presences of some transwomen. Some biological women as well, but OP is exposed to many, many, more biological women that do not display themselves with this feminine style.
No judgement on any of this I’m just trying to articulate a statistical and aestheic phenomenon.
I don’t feel Lemmy grants me the freedom to openly express my opinion on this matter without some shit ass reporters and mods turning my comment into “Removed”
I wouldn’t report you mate, I’m not an apologist of cancel culture, definetly free speech it’s on a threat right now, Sad Lemmy it’s included.
I think this makes sense. Femininity is the outward stuff, the cultural forms. It’s exactly the stuff someone would do to impersonate a woman, so trans women probably revel in those forms, having been denied them, and not oppressed by them.
Plus beautiful people are often even better looking when they transition, in either direction. They pay a lot of attention to their looks.
look more feminine and physical attractive
Actually, I think that this is possible, but only if your perception of female appearance and physical attractiveness is mainly driven by fake boobs.
Personally, I feel like I can tell most of the time, though I’m sure I could be proven wrong and that most likely there’s more than a few trans women out there that I would not be able to tell the difference. However, in my limited experience, most of the time it seems obvious. Like there’s just something in the facial structure that sets them apart, I’m not sure what it is, but it’s there.
Back to your post though, so what? That’s kind of how it is for 99.99% of the population anyways. People are usually attracted to a somewhat narrow range of other people and a very small portion of the population will ever find you attractive, unless you won the genetic lottery and have something everyone wants. Meanwhile, the majority of people on Earth would find me completely unattractive, even 1% would be gracious in my mind. Nobody is required to find anybody else attractive, they can have any reason they want, sometimes even after they’ve already found the person attractive initially.
If a CIS man doesn’t find trans women attractive, that’s perfectly acceptable, the same way if a black person doesn’t find white person attractive, skinny people don’t find heavier people attractive, or if an asexual person isn’t attracted to anybody. Just being alive doesn’t guarantee you universal attractiveness.
