You have no choice but to vote for the genocide enabler. It is the only way to save “democracy.” The type of democracy where you have to support the abhorrent to keep out the truly monstrous and if you say you won’t, a bunch of self important liberals will pretend it’s all your fault and not the parade of geriatric ghouls the party has been nominating
” The type of democracy where you have to support the abhorrent to keep out the truly monstrous and if you say you won’t, a bunch of self important liberals will pretend it’s all your fault and not the parade of geriatric ghouls the party has been nominating
Yes, isn’t it terrible when democracy doesn’t agree with you? The only TRULY democratic society is one where those pesky proles listen to those who know what’s good for them, right?
Democracy doesn’t work particularly well when the voters are uneducated or otherwise missinformed. That when the country starts doing things that are against its and its own citizens interest. Corruption, legal or otherwise, also contribute to making it disfunctional.
Democracy doesn’t work particularly well when the voters are uneducated or otherwise missinformed.
So we’re just coming out against democracy now when the proles aren’t on our side, are we? Great. Glad to see this brave new form of leftism.
Democracy doesn’t work particularly well when the voters are uneducated or otherwise missinformed
This argument is the justification for the Electoral College.
Really? I thought it was justification to reform and improve education.
Lol what?
The only TRULY democratic society is one where those pesky proles listen to those who know what’s good for them, right?
Isn’t this literally the message of the meme?
Isn’t this literally the message of the meme?
No, and I don’t really know how you could come to that conclusion, since the meme doesn’t say anything about whether any given act or ideal is ‘true democracy’.
“If leftists don’t vote for Biden they are stupid”
5 minutes later…
“Wow why do you think I’m telling the proles how to vote?”
“If leftists don’t vote for Biden they are stupid”
Yeah, if you allow fascism in order to stop a non-fascist government, you’re a fascist enabler.
“Wow why do you think I’m telling the proles how to vote?”
I didn’t realize pointing out consequences of losing a democratic election, and advocating voting for a candidate in that democratic election order to avoid those consequences, was anti-democratic. Thank you for teaching me this, O Great Leftist.
Those pesky proles should just listen to you, since you know what’s good for them
As a citizen, it’s my duty to speak out against what I feel are bad choices for the polity. I didn’t realize advocacy of voting for (or against) a specific candidate or issue through speech was so anti-democratic. I’m learning a lot from you today.
It’s terrible when democracy doesn’t agree with damn near anybody
Yes, only a paltry plurality. If only there were a way that the option that even less people agree with could win.
If Biden doesn’t win, it’s 100% on him and the DNC for running shit politicians. Fuck you for blaming people refusing to vote for Genocide Joe.
Again: fuck you
Well, meme, not just not voting, but actively using their energy to attack their allies and help fascism spread.
To my disappointment, all I see from the self-appointed “real left” are people stubbornly trying to get US members to stop voting for the Democratic Party. And dunking on liberals ten times before they say one bad thing about reactionaries.
There could be so much good tankies could do, but instead, they aid the fascists. They treat the ongoing genocide as a just a convenient issue to drive a wedge between progressives. When China was committing genocide on the Uyghurs, tankie spaces on Reddit were talking it down and passing around Chinese propaganda memes. The ongoing genocide by Russia in Ukraine seems fine, too, if not even largely met with approval.
I hope some of those pulled into this web and led astray will yet wake up and use their energies for something positive. For example, there are already states that have adopted ranked choice voting, which will let everyone vote, even for a fringe party, without risking a fascist takeover. It will show, black on white, how many progressives there are that would want politicians to move left. If it was to kick off, it is almost guaranteed to topple the current status quo.
I’m trans. I’ll probably be made illegal and have to run for my life to a blue state, or flee the country.
I’m still not voting for genocide. I’d rather literally kill myself.
We support Biden because he is willing to be swayed by changing public opinion. Trump just doubles down on things people don’t support when confronted. That Trump voters see the left disagreeing with Biden and think “Oh, that means they won’t support him” just shows that they believe politicians views are fixed and unchanging.
If you think that the alt right is rising in other countries due to trump, that what the rest of us call American Exceptionalism
We’ve been at this since before your country existed you daft cunts smh
"If you don’t vote for genocide, your actually voting for trump 🤓 "
I’m still voting 3rd party and the blue state I live in will still give genocide Joe my vote so don’t worry OP. We’ll continue to provide weapons to the country that just has whistle blowers leak evidence on concentration camps. Good to know that concentration camps aren’t a deal breaker for you. 😮💨
“We should end genocide somewhat”
Literally the Biden position. Which is a mild milquetoast lukewarm moderate take on an issue that should be far more serious.
But I guess Trump’s “We should intensify and start new genocides” is more appealing.
Literally the Biden position. Which is a mild milquetoast lukewarm moderate take on an issue that should be far more serious.
The extent to which he’s done this (not much) he’s been dragged there by protests and complaints from voters. Literally what the people you’re criticising are doing.
But I guess Trump’s “We should intensify and start new genocides” is more appealing.
You could not be more like the meme if you tried. Only an idiot would vote Trump because of this. Most people are just pissed off at Biden for what you describe as his mild, milquetoast moderate take on the issue. It’s almost like you agree but you still shame people with “Trump would be worse” as if 95% of us complaining don’t already know that.
I expect better from Biden. That’s it. If we can’t criticise him for this dogshit policy then when can we?
I expect better from Biden. That’s it. If we can’t criticise him for this dogshit policy then when can we?
There’s a vast fucking difference between criticizing him for his Israel policy and peddling “both sides” and “I’ll never vote for Joe!” shite, or throwing a fit over being told that sitting by and letting Trump win is literally just voting for more genocide, regardless of whether you pissed away your vote in Green or Republican red.
Yes, and pretending that those people you describe represent a majority or even a substantial proportion of the people criticizing him is disingenuous and frankly insulting. Criticism is just that, criticism. And it is deserved.
On here? It’s definitely a substantial minority. I’m not out on the streets bitching about Biden being attacked from the left - I’m on the Fediverse bitching about it.
And we’re only complaining on the Fediverse too. About something pretty fair to complain about.
I think the amount here that say “they’re both the same” or will actually vote Trump is very small.
Not voting I can understand a lot more but obviously not a good decision pragmatically
Lmao I’m glad I’m not alone in getting it stranger. Thanks 😊
Good to know that MORE concentration camps isn’t a deal-breaker for you to have the smug satisfaction of voting third-party. Who the fuck cares about the support Trump has already promised genocidaires in Israel and the genocide he’s promising here in the US? You have to FEEL good about yourself!
I hope we’re not in line together at the camps.
Again my state will go blue regardless of who I vote for. I’m gonna vote for someone who is anti-concentration camp, unlike you. I get the electoral college is a little hard for you to understand but again please calm down.
Palestinians are the ones being put in concentration camps not your privileged ass or mine.
Palestinians are the ones being put in concentration camps
And you’re voting for increased support to Israel. Know what that does?
not your privileged ass or mine.
Speak for your fucking self. Or have you not been paying attention to the current state of the Republican Party?
Yeah, the Republicans are even worse than the dems I know. Just because I’m not afraid to admit that the Dems are backing genocide and it’s not going to work out well for them in the election doesn’t mean I support the Republicans.
Fuck, do I have to explain to you how the trolley problem works? Is that how basic we’re gonna have to get here?
The only thing forcing us to pick a lesser of two evils is the idea that it’s the only option we have. Until we get past that, we’re going to be locked in this cycle of picking really bad fascist or fascist who only support genocide over seas.
The eagerness you have to keep people in this trap and shame them for trying to do anything else is part of the problem. Until You and everyone else grows up and moves on from that (which is really unlikely) we will be stuck In this cycle.
That’s all there is to it.
The only thing forcing us to pick a lesser of two evils is the idea that it’s the only option we have.
It’s the only option we have because the last time we had a good option, in 2020, not enough fucking people turned out to get the better option on the ballot. That’s democracy, unfortunately. Maybe next time I’ll be able to count the number of primary voters in my precinct on my hands and toes instead of just my hands.
The eagerness you have to keep people in this trap and shame them for trying to do anything else is part of the problem. Until You and everyone else grows up and moves on from that (which is really unlikely) we will be stuck In this cycle.
Oh, don’t worry. If Trump wins, you won’t have to fret about being ‘stuck in this cycle’ anymore.
Oh hey look it’s a real “it can never happen here” out in the wild!
Yeah. Never is a very long time and we’re on the fast track to fascism.
It can totally happen here in fact it is. I was just arguing with a bunch of genocide supports from here this morning actually.
I hate Trump. Trump is a fascist. I just don’t pretend like Biden and the Dems aren’t either. Scratch a liberal fascist bleeds
A chunk of this is probably propaganda
Not to sound like a Twitter wokescold or whatever, but Shaun is one of the biggest offenders in this. A cishet white guy from England who won’t be affected in any way by the outcome of the U.S. election, yet constantly tweets and retweets about how the Democrats and Republicans are totally equal in every way and voting makes no difference.
But when we look at what Republicans are doing and saying like…
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Trump saying he’ll be a “dictator for one day”
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His lawyers arguing that a president killing an opponent should be considered an official act protected by law
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The potential Republican vice-candidate bragging about shooting a puppy and other farm animals
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Reports that DeSantis enjoyed torturing people at Guantanamo
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Multiple Republican politicians and pundits calling for the eradication of trans people
I think this take doesn’t hold up. It’s no coincidence that most of the people with this mentality are also the ones who’ll be minimally affected by a Republican presidency, if at all.
I agree with everything here except giving air to an annoying ass term like “wokescold”. That’s just something invented to try and reverse (completely justified usually) shaming
Who is Shaun
I am fairly certain it’s the creator of the comic strip.
This goblin
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“It’s okay, because I’m a leftist and white!”
Nah I’m gonna vote Trump because all you pussies lack the backbone to vote for a real politician because you’re scared only Biden can beat Trump. At least the fucking Republicans know what they want.
That’s a lot of words to say “I don’t understand that we don’t have primaries for an encumbant.”
There’s also “old people at home find it way easier to vote in primaries and young people dont care as much about those elections.”
That’s why we’re stuck with Biden. I don’t think you’ll find anyone here who vote for him in the primaries for 2020. I know I didn’t.
None of that is a me problem. This country is gonna burn and is rather see it go the fast way.
That’s a you problem
I’m not gonna be here much longer. I don’t care about the spineless settlers and sellouts I’m leaving behind.
Trump beats himself lmao
You are a laughing stock 🫶
Laugh all you like. With your logic, a vote for Trump is two votes for Trump.
“if you don’t vote for the genocide guys then you’ll get the genocide guys! (Also they’ve worked to make it super easy to strip leftist orgs of nonprofit status, works in lockstep to move the goalposts if a third party comes close to inclusion requirements, went to court to legally ensure they can run whoever the fuck they want, among plenty of other things - but our narrative depends exclusively on misinformation. We HAVE to call them single issue voters and claim that anybody not voting for Biden is advocating for not voting. Our real enemies aren’t Republicans, its leftists, and the time has come to say the quiet part out loud.)”
Forever one election away from fascism. The real single-issue voting.
The Gaza genocide is happening now under Biden, why is the Palestinian nervous about Trump?
